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#27 Oct 23 2014 at 4:47 PM Rating: Decent
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People have the Right to commit suicide?


Yes. Was that a trick question?
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#28 Oct 23 2014 at 5:36 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Kelvyquayo wrote:
People have the Right to commit suicide?


Yes. Was that a trick question?


No. and clearly this person was not of sound mind.. so allowing this person to splatter herself over someones hood would NOT count as assisted suicide.. which I don't think is actually LEGAL in my state anyway... so what the hell are you talking about?


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#29 Oct 23 2014 at 6:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Wasn't a terrorist attack. It was some disgruntled homeless dude with a criminal record who was pissed off at the man because they wouldn't give him a passport.

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No man! He was a Westernized Muslim! Don't believe me? Explain why he was using a cowboy repeating rifle.Smiley: clown
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#31 Oct 23 2014 at 7:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Kelvyquayo wrote:
People have the Right to commit suicide?


Yes. Was that a trick question?


No. and clearly this person was not of sound mind.. so allowing this person to splatter herself over someones hood would NOT count as assisted suicide.. which I don't think is actually LEGAL in my state anyway... so what the **** are you talking about?


I'm observing that whether or not this person was in a sound state of mind, and whether or not the police should have done something differently than they did, does not rest on, nor allow one to conclude, that people do not have a right to commit suicide.

Make the argument about how police should detain clearly agitated and unstable people wandering about the side of the road threatening to damage people's cars/property if you want. Don't base it on the idea that people don't have a right to end their own lives. That's it.
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#32 Oct 23 2014 at 10:23 PM Rating: Good
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Wow, I didn't realize that this http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/22/world/americas/canadian-soldier-run-down-in-what-officials-call-act-of-terror-dies.html?_r=0
also happened...
I guess I'm not the news junkie that I used to be... or something..

gbaji wrote:
I'm observing that whether or not this person was in a sound state of mind, and whether or not the police should have done something differently than they did, does not rest on, nor allow one to conclude, that people do not have a right to commit suicide.


And I'm saying that people that are not in control of their faculties (for whatever reason) should not be allowed to make such decisions..
In other cases... Hunter Thompson for example.. knew exactly what he was doing.

Do children also have a right to kill themselves?

Edited, Oct 24th 2014 12:24am by Kelvyquayo
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#33 Oct 24 2014 at 12:06 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
I'm observing that whether or not this person was in a sound state of mind, and whether or not the police should have done something differently than they did, does not rest on, nor allow one to conclude, that people do not have a right to commit suicide.

Make the argument about how police should detain clearly agitated and unstable people wandering about the side of the road threatening to damage people's cars/property if you want. Don't base it on the idea that people don't have a right to end their own lives. That's it.
Yeah, this.

If someone looks to be attempting to disrupt highway traffic with their presence on the road then, at least around here, that's "a danger to self or other" and they could and likely would be given a few days at the city's psych facility.
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And I'm saying that people that are not in control of their faculties (for whatever reason) should not be allowed to make such decisions.


At what point did the cops say they were willing to let her kill herself?

From what I took from your post, they said they wouldn't restrain her until she was clearly going to self-harm.

Your conviction that she was going to is understandable, but that's still not actionable grounds to take her into custody. Until she actually posed a threat to self or others, being mentally distressed isn't grounds for a forced stay in a ward. Her walking down the street and screaming at cars isn't the same thing as trying to throw herself in front of one.

I get your fear, but her rights win out over your worries. It's obviously a ****** situation, but that's all there is to it.

The reason we act differently when discussing a child is that a child is not considered an adult and is not responsible for their own well-being. An adult, even if mentally unwell, is still an adult legally in charge of themselves until the established medical/legal systems place them in the guardianship of another person. In which case, you WOULD have had options for transporting her to a psych ward.

It sucks, but that's because it's a really ****** situation. And it's for the sake of the suffering that we have these mechanisms specifically to respect their rights as much as possible. We already have serious issues with them failing and our prison system being the default repository for people who really just need psychiatric help.
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#35 Oct 27 2014 at 7:05 PM Rating: Default
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I get your fear, but her rights win out over your worries.


This. 100x this. Her rights are our rights too.
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