They conducted the study on a game where you rape, torture and murder 10,000 women but, because it was in Germany, the game was changed to make them all grey-blooded androids.
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Allegory wrote:
Poldaran, this is about ethics in journalism.
Considering journalists have unethically tried to characterize us as sexists, it's tangentially related. More related than the comics thing, and I didn't see you ******** about that. Why you gotta hate, Al?
Because he is sexist towards women.
Just as Planned.
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Allegory wrote:
Poldaran, this is about ethics in journalism.
Considering journalists have unethically tried to characterize us as sexists, it's tangentially related. More related than the comics thing, and I didn't see you ******** about that. Why you gotta hate, Al?
'Us' in this context is the GG rabble, not gamers as a whole. The study literally has no relevance at all because it's about a completely different group.
Or do you understand any feminist criticism of games, either in particular or individually, as an assertion that gamers are all sexist? That's a rhetorical question, obviously, I know you do.
Timelordwho wrote:
I'm not quite sure that scheming is an emotion.
Kavekkk wrote:
Or do you understand any feminist criticism of games, either in particular or individually, as an assertion that gamers are all sexist? That's a rhetorical question, obviously, I know you do.
I'll just add Frank Cho to the mix.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
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If you don't think games make you sexist, then ironically, you're the most vulnerable.
That's a considerably narrower phrasing than the original.
More importantly, one can consistently believe:
1) That games in general are sexist.
2) That the media affects belief and can serve to reinforce or undermine societal norms.
3) That gamers are not more or less likely to be sexist.
For example, if one also believes that 4) video games are generally sexist in an absolute sense, but not significantly more sexist than other forms of media e.g. TV, film.
Timelordwho wrote:
I'm not quite sure that scheming is an emotion.
Timelordwho wrote:
Because he is sexist towards women.
lolgaxe wrote:
I'll just add Frank Cho to the mix.
Also, if anyone's interested, there's some stuff going on with the Hugo awards that SJWs seem to think was done by GG. Edit: It's even complete with a bunch of suspiciously similar articles coming out all at once.
Edited, Apr 8th 2015 2:29pm by Poldaran
Kavekkk wrote:
3) That gamers are not more or less likely to be sexist.
And I'm going to bed because I'm on vacation and that's all the time I'm willing to spend arguing with you right now.
I don't know what is going on with CEOs lately. It seems like a new trend where CEO take up some social causes. I kinda get whatshisname that replaced Jobs since he has a personal stake in this, I was somewhat amused by Salesforce, and now this.
The most amusing part is that it is a win for the company ( we don't negotiate, whatever the drones from HR figure out you will swallow, you WILL swallow ) although I am not sure it will be such an easy sell for anyone who is competent enough to be able to negotiate little smth smth.
The most amusing part is that it is a win for the company ( we don't negotiate, whatever the drones from HR figure out you will swallow, you WILL swallow ) although I am not sure it will be such an easy sell for anyone who is competent enough to be able to negotiate little smth smth.
Your soul was made of fists.
Jar the Sam
Jar the Sam
Quote:
“Men negotiate harder than women do and sometimes women get penalized when they do negotiate,†she said. “So as part of our recruiting process we don’t negotiate with candidates. We come up with an offer that we think is fair. If you want more equity, we’ll let you swap a little bit of your cash salary for equity, but we aren’t going to reward people who are better negotiators with more compensation.â€
Does that really solve it though? If men really are better and harder negotiators, they'll just take the jobs elsewhere that allow them to leverage themselves into a higher paying job, and then lesser skilled negotiators (and the womens) will be stuck at the lower paying, non negotiated, Reddit salaries.
Edited, Apr 9th 2015 12:03am by TirithRR
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
TirithRR wrote:
Quote:
“Men negotiate harder than women do and sometimes women get penalized when they do negotiate,†she said. “So as part of our recruiting process we don’t negotiate with candidates. We come up with an offer that we think is fair. If you want more equity, we’ll let you swap a little bit of your cash salary for equity, but we aren’t going to reward people who are better negotiators with more compensation.â€
Does that really solve it though? If men really are better and harder negotiators, they'll just take the jobs elsewhere that allow them to leverage themselves into a higher paying job, and then lesser skilled negotiators (and the womens) will be stuck at the lower paying, non negotiated, Reddit salaries.
Edited, Apr 9th 2015 12:03am by TirithRR
It does not. It may move things in an interesting direction for the companies though. Maybe we could move to 'first offer better be best offer' by companies ( yeah, I don't see that happen either ).
Your soul was made of fists.
Jar the Sam
Jar the Sam
There had to be a better way to put that than "Sometimes men work harder at something and are better at it and that's unfair so we won't let anyone do it" 
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
angrymnk wrote:
It does not. It may move things in an interesting direction for the companies though. Maybe we could move to 'first offer better be best offer' by companies ( yeah, I don't see that happen either ).
Even then though, the way this CEO worded it, would make it sound like men are less likely to accept lower salaries and more likely to value their skills higher, meaning the HR would have to pitch higher salary offers to the men if they really wanted them to work there.
On the flip side though, if you really think about what the she said... she basically admits to underpaying their women employees, because they can, and women don't try harder to get more.
Which really points out the issue with the 78 cents on the dollar statistic. And how "equal pay equal work" pushes don't really solve the problem. (But sounds good in sound bites).
Edited, Apr 9th 2015 12:35am by TirithRR
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
Jophiel wrote:
There had to be a better way to put that than "Sometimes men work harder at something and are better at it and that's unfair so we won't let anyone do it"
*whispers* You are thinking she is on our team, undercover-like, doing the sabotegery of the feminist movement in front of the cameras?
Your soul was made of fists.
Jar the Sam
Jar the Sam
angrymnk wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
There had to be a better way to put that than "Sometimes men work harder at something and are better at it and that's unfair so we won't let anyone do it"
*whispers* You are thinking she is on our team, undercover-like, doing the sabotegery of the feminist movement in front of the cameras?
She's a hot(*) Asian in a technology company, she secretly loves the neckbeards worshiping her as a goddess. Can't actually alienate them...
(*)I'm a little biased, since I do find Asian women attractive, but going by the picture she's easy on the eyes. Again, it's easy for an Asian woman to be so. YMMV.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
She... has a nice personality, I'm sure. 
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
She... has a nice personality, I'm sure.
I thought nice personality was euphemism for fat.
Your soul was made of fists.
Jar the Sam
Jar the Sam
It is. You think I'd let that 96 lb tubbosaurus anywhere near me? I demand a svelte 65 lbs or less in my women.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
It is. You think I'd let that 96 lb tubbosaurus anywhere near me? I demand a svelte 65 lbs or less in my women.
Damn, I am way too fat to demand anything. I probably should be grateful that I can interact with people.
Your soul was made of fists.
Jar the Sam
Jar the Sam
angrymnk wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
It is. You think I'd let that 96 lb tubbosaurus anywhere near me? I demand a svelte 65 lbs or less in my women.
****, I am way too fat to demand anything. I probably should be grateful that I can interact with people.
Are you fat enough to accept the one in the back?
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
I kept meaning to ask if you had seen that, but they've changed access at work such that I need to figure out how to be able to get to this site again.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
angrymnk wrote:
****, I am way too fat to demand anything. I probably should be grateful that I can interact with people.
I take the "goddess" approach where I weigh 450 lbs and demand a perfect physical specimen as a partner who will appreciate my curves and heft as being the mark of a REAL man.
Feminism: It's not just for women any more.
Edited, Apr 9th 2015 9:04am by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Yeah, but guys have always pretty much been that way. You don't see a lot of heavy women wearing "No Fat Dudes" tee shirts.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
Yeah, but guys have always pretty much been that way. You don't see a lot of heavy women wearing "No Fat Dudes" tee shirts.
No, they just read romance novels and watch Twilight. Same ****, different method of expression.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
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