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#302 Oct 12 2014 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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Am I reading it right?

Apparently you didn't read it at all. The article Omega posted was about a game developer getting death threats complete with her home address included.

What are going on about?

Oh nevermind the dev was a woman. I see.



Edited, Oct 12th 2014 8:19pm by Elinda
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#303 Oct 12 2014 at 12:27 PM Rating: Default
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Elinda wrote:
Angrymnk wrote:
Am I reading it right?

Apparently you didn't read it at all. The article Omega posted was about a game developer getting death threats complete with her home address included.

What are going on about?

Oh nevermind the dev was a woman. I see.

Edited, Oct 12th 2014 8:19pm by Elinda


Yes, do you start seeing a pattern? Please say you do, because I am hardpressed to hand walk you to an epiphany over the interwebz.
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#304 Oct 12 2014 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, the pattern is obvious.

Some wing-nut is targetting women in the gaming industry for doxxing and death-threats.

Was that what you picked up?
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#305 Oct 12 2014 at 12:34 PM Rating: Default
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Elinda wrote:
Yeah, the pattern is obvious.

Some wing-nut is targetting women in the gaming industry for doxxing and death-threats.

Was that what you picked up?


Good girl; would you care to speculate as to why?
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#306 Oct 12 2014 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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Good girl; would you care to speculate as to why?

No. Speculation is not my strong point. You and Poldaran are doing a swell job.

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#307 Oct 12 2014 at 12:45 PM Rating: Default
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Elinda wrote:
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Good girl; would you care to speculate as to why?

No. Speculation is not my strong point. You and Poldaran are doing a swell job.



Shame. Then we might as well wait until all the facts are in before you post the silliness you did before.
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#308 Oct 12 2014 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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angrymnk wrote:
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Good girl; would you care to speculate as to why?

No. Speculation is not my strong point. You and Poldaran are doing a swell job.



Shame. Then we might as well wait until all the facts are in before you post the silliness you did before.

What facts are you waiting for?

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#309 Oct 12 2014 at 1:02 PM Rating: Default
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Elinda wrote:
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Elinda wrote:
angrymnk wrote:


Good girl; would you care to speculate as to why?

No. Speculation is not my strong point. You and Poldaran are doing a swell job.



Shame. Then we might as well wait until all the facts are in before you post the silliness you did before.

What facts are you waiting for?



None, I am watching. You, since you can't, or won't, speculate, have to wait.
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#310 Oct 12 2014 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
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Yes, do you start seeing a pattern? Please say you do, because I am hardpressed to hand walk you to an epiphany over the interwebz.


Yes, there is a pattern of people with the same views as Elliot Rodger trying to ruin the lives of women critical of gamersgate & ruining any credibility of the movement.

They're kinda like the racists in the tea party: sure, they're not all racists. But the racists are really loud and tend to drown out whatever legitimate issues the tea party may have.
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#311 Oct 12 2014 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
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Yes, there is a pattern of people with the same views as Elliot Rodger trying to ruin the lives of women critical of gamersgate & ruining any credibility of the movement.

They're kinda like the racists in the tea party: sure, they're not all racists. But the racists are really loud and tend to drown out whatever legitimate issues the tea party may have.


Seems to me like certain people on the other side like to go out of their way to goad those extremists into making these types of threats to try and discredit the legitimate concerns...
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#312 Oct 12 2014 at 1:57 PM Rating: Default
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Yes, do you start seeing a pattern? Please say you do, because I am hardpressed to hand walk you to an epiphany over the interwebz.


Yes, there is a pattern of people with the same views as Elliot Rodger trying to ruin the lives of women critical of gamersgate & ruining any credibility of the movement.

They're kinda like the racists in the tea party: sure, they're not all racists. But the racists are really loud and tend to drown out whatever legitimate issues the tea party may have.


Oh, is that what is happening? Then we might as well then start posting memes wallstreet started using to discredit occupy movement. It is the same kind of approach and the same level of conversation. Make the very mention of the subject by default.. not cool. I know the issue itself is toxic and people typically do not want to touch **** like that with a ten foot pole. But I am a little bored.

I also get that it is next to impossible to defend those actions. And I am not. I guess I am not sure why Elinda cares.
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#313 Oct 12 2014 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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Seems to me like certain people on the other side like to go out of their way to goad those extremists into making these types of threats to try and discredit the legitimate concerns...


Wow. The mental hoops you have to jump through to believe a woman who was critical of gamersgate is really only trying to goad extremists into ruining her life to prove a point is up there with "she was asking for it 'cause she wore a short skirt".

If you want people to respect any legitimate cause Gamersgaters may have, why not denounce what most people see as gross misogyny instead of blaming the victim, Gbaji-lite?
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#314 Oct 12 2014 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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she was asking for it 'cause she wore a short skirt


Yes, that's totally what I said. Smiley: rolleyes That's why I stay out of this ****. You can't question the other side without being labelled a sexist, rapist, etc.
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#315 Oct 12 2014 at 2:16 PM Rating: Default
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Omegavegeta wrote:
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Seems to me like certain people on the other side like to go out of their way to goad those extremists into making these types of threats to try and discredit the legitimate concerns...


Wow. The mental hoops you have to jump through to believe a woman who was critical of gamersgate is really only trying to goad extremists into ruining her life to prove a point is up there with "she was asking for it 'cause she wore a short skirt".


Now this, dear readers, is an example of a straw man.
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#316 Oct 12 2014 at 2:23 PM Rating: Good
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If you want people to respect any legitimate cause Gamersgaters may have, why not denounce what most people see as gross misogyny instead of blaming the victim, Gbaji-lite?


Or, I could do both. My comment did not say that the treats were not real, or that the threats were somehow OK. My comment was rather than address the issues at hand, the other side goes out, pokes the ones they know will give them the response they want to make their point, then turns around and says "See, look at this? They are just a bunch of misogynist gamers whose only real problem is with women in the industry."
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#317 Oct 12 2014 at 2:47 PM Rating: Good
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I am genuinely impressed that she's talking with Milo Yogurtopolis(I'm just going to call him Reporter Milo from now on), one of a couple of more or less mainstream(lol Breitbart and all that) reporters who has been really looking into this. On the other hand, she linked to David Futrelle's blog for a "concise, accurate(Smiley: rolleyes) summary of what's happened to me so far".

And yeah, she was the one who made the sock puppet to mock #gamergate for attention or whatever. I'm too lazy to look up whether she was also trolling 4chan or 8chan because it's not too long til bedtime.

Edit: For the purpose of speculation because someone asked, does anyone else think that the threats to her sound a lot like the ones posted to Anita? Copycat? Same person(regardless of side doing it)?

Edited, Oct 12th 2014 2:51pm by Poldaran
#318 Oct 12 2014 at 3:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Edit: For the purpose of speculation because someone asked, does anyone else think that the threats to her sound a lot like the ones posted to Anita? Copycat? Same person(regardless of side doing it)?

Is there another way to threaten someone on Twitter besides "Rrawr, Imma gonna murder you and here's your address!"? I mean, threatening to cut off her husband's dong and choke her with it is a bit of special detail Anita didn't get (I have no idea if she's married but I'm going to guess 'no' based on never hearing otherwise).
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#319 Oct 12 2014 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
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Edit: For the purpose of speculation because someone asked, does anyone else think that the threats to her sound a lot like the ones posted to Anita? Copycat? Same person(regardless of side doing it)?

Is there another way to threaten someone on Twitter besides "Rrawr, Imma gonna murder you and here's your address!"? I mean, threatening to cut off her husband's dong and choke her with it is a bit of special detail Anita didn't get (I have no idea if she's married but I'm going to guess 'no' based on never hearing otherwise).
There's a guy that some people have said is her boyfriend who has a whole list of his own problems, but I haven't seen anything confirming a relationship, so I'll refrain from actually suggesting it. Edit: Actually, looking back at the threats, he does get a short mention.

And maybe you're right. I focused on the second to last tweet and it reminded me of the Anita ones because my first thought was that it sounded like bad fanfiction.


Edited, Oct 12th 2014 3:25pm by Poldaran
#320 Oct 12 2014 at 3:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes, that's totally what I said. Smiley: rolleyes That's why I stay out of this ****. You can't question the other side without being labelled a sexist, rapist, etc.


Blaming the victim isn't questioning the other side, its blaming the victim. If you wanted to have a more measured response, you could have said "Obviously the death threats & posting of Dox is wrong, however..."

But you didn't do that, did you?

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My comment was rather than address the issues at hand, the other side goes out, pokes the ones they know will give them the response they want to make their point, then turns around and says "See, look at this? They are just a bunch of misogynist gamers whose only real problem is with women in the industry."


She DID address the issue at hand then got threatened & DOX'd. Not exactly the measured response one would hope from the honorable #gamergate folks that just want to address non--misogynistic issues one would expect. The loudest folks associated with #gamergate seem to have views more in line with Elliott Rodger, the Isla Vista shooter, than they do with people dissatisfied and angry about the direction of the video game press.
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#321 Oct 12 2014 at 5:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you wanted to have a more measured response, you could have said "Obviously the death threats & posting of Dox is wrong, however..."

That's been said numerous times over the past seven pages. Does every post have to come with a disclaimer or can we reach a point in the thread where it's understood that murder-rape threats and doxing are wrong?
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#322 Oct 12 2014 at 6:18 PM Rating: Good
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Blaming the victim isn't questioning the other side, its blaming the victim.


Questioning what they may have expected as a result of trolling the other side over twitter and supposedly other avenues is, though.
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#323 Oct 12 2014 at 7:03 PM Rating: Good
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How can doxing and murder-rape be wrong, if it feels so right?
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#324 Oct 12 2014 at 7:11 PM Rating: Good
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I gotta ask... what is doxing?
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#325 Oct 12 2014 at 7:18 PM Rating: Good
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I gotta ask... what is doxing?

Finding and then displaying personal information about somebody. Derived from "documents".Smiley: schooled



EDIT: That thing that everyone fears Timelordwho can do so well.Smiley: nod

Edited, Oct 12th 2014 7:19pm by Bijou
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#326 Oct 12 2014 at 7:19 PM Rating: Good
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When you use the magic of the internet to divine where people live, find out personal details etc.
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