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#1 Aug 27 2014 at 8:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Because this is a good way to do it. I can't say I've agreed with everything she's said or anything, she is a bit on the fringe at times. Still come on people, death threats aren't cool.

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Edit: Just for people who aren't fond of following multiple links they went as far as finding out her home address and detailing threats to her and her family. So a bit more than the mundane "I hope you die" trolling that happens from time to time.

Edited, Aug 27th 2014 8:02pm by someproteinguy
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I'll take the brave stance here of being anti-death threat and against harassment.
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So should we take turns picking teams to keep it even? Or did you want to go it alone?
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I thought you were already a feminist. Smiley: frown
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More of a feminist sympathizer, I hadn't officially taken my oath yet or anything.
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This could bump him up to feminazi!

I stumbled across something earlier today saying her latest video was up and actually thought "Huh, and I haven't seen a single thread about it on any of the forums I visit. I guess no one cares any more" and now this. Not to imply that she orchestrated it to revive attention but, hey, silver linings to your rape-death threats and all.

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Not to imply that she orchestrated it to revive attention but, hey, silver linings to your rape-death threats and all.
Now that you mention it I had completely forgot she existed up until I saw this earlier today. Smiley: tinfoilhat

I mean not that I had assumed she had stopped or anything, I guess I just got wrapped up in the whole ISIS thing or something. We were supposed to care about that too right?
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Not to imply that she orchestrated it to revive attention
Considering the shady things she has done over the course of this campaign, I'm willing to go out on a limb and imply it.
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I think that for the most part, the issues she brings up are valid, though I don't really like her videos or her personality. The only reason I was aware of her new video before this thread is because Tim Schafer posted on Twitter saying that video game developers should watch it, and hilarity ensued as tons of people tweeted hate at him because they don't like her.
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Considering the shady things she has done over the course of this campaign, I'm willing to go out on a limb and imply it.
Pretty wild coincidence that now that she's (finally) released another video she's suddenly fearing for her life. I kind of wonder if it's all the people that gave her chunks of money and frustrated at how much time it's been between videos.

Anyway, like last time, I don't find her at all compelling. Her points are generic, has a tendency to take other people's work and not credit them for it, and goes as far as lying. She's a misogynist, not a feminist.
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Pretty wild coincidence that now that she's (finally) released another video she's suddenly fearing for her life

Yeah, really amazing. She went from being considered a laughing stock by both the gaming industry and the gender studies world to being considered a threat worthy of felonies RIGHT WHEN SHE NEEDED PR. How unfortunate for her.

Zoe Quinn: Prime suspect, clearly.
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Meh, Zoe Quinn is just a symptom of the larger problem with gaming journalism.
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Well, I'm sure the number of harassing messages goes up when she puts up a new video. So it stands to reason that she could get especially noxious ones then. Whether she legitimately feared for her safety or legitimately thought the police needed to be involved in this one only she knows. Making it public was, of course, completely her choice.

I agree about her not being compelling. From her usage of uncredited "Let's Play" Youtube footage for games she supposedly played in the process of making the video to her obviously cherry-picking examples and dismissing counter-examples as irrelevant to the basic fact that her videos are poorly written and painfully dull, she's a terrible emissary for her cause. She'd have been better off using the money to pay someone else to write/narrate the videos but she obviously wants to be the face of this mission.

But, to re-state the obvious, none of that excuses harassment, threats and that sort of behavior.
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Meh, Zoe Quinn is just a symptom of the larger problem with gaming journalism.

Gamers being desperate to hump something?
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#15 Aug 28 2014 at 7:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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Gamers being desperate to hump something?
Journalist being bought for better reviews of their games. Zoe is just an extreme example, but it's pretty damn common that companies threaten to pull advertising dollars from magazines over negative reviews, and journalists have been fired over it.

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Journalist being bought for better reviews of their games. Zoe is just an extreme example, but it's pretty **** common that companies threaten to pull advertising dollars from magazines over negative reviews, and journalists have been fired over it.

Commonplace? It's almost impossible to find negative reviews of AAA games.
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Are game reviews really "journalism"? I wouldn't have ever considered TV, film or music critics to be journalists. Yeah, of course I want their reviews to be sincere but "gaming journalism" in my view would be actual news of the industry, not what games some guy likes.

I mention is because the whole review thing is always No 1 on everyone's list of complaints about "gaming journalism". It just sounds like false gravity -- I care about shoddy journalism when being told about who's bombing who or what guys were involved in the new trash collection city contract. Getting worked up about how legitimately excited some dork is over Laser Lemurs III doesn't ring the same bells.
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has a tendency to take other people's work and not credit them for it,
Did she ever get sued for stealing that one person's art? Or has that not hit the official lawsuit stage yet?
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Getting worked up about how legitimately excited some dork is over Laser Lemurs III doesn't ring the same bells.
Which is why we have sites that offer customer reviews. Because "this game is more fun than **** with a **** emu" is all gamers really need to know in order to drop $60 on something.
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I have no idea what you're saying. I don't mean that insultingly, I have have no idea what the thrust of your comment is.
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In the end I think my point wasn't as deep as I'd hoped it'd be anyway. Smiley: frown
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I have no idea what you're saying. I don't mean that insultingly, I have have no idea what the thrust of your comment is.

I think his point was that man is a banal creature, and to most of the bourgeoisie, finding out they spent $60 on Sim City and it sucks is far more of a blow than finding out they were lied to about invading another country or the like.
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I think Joph finally pinpointed what I didn't like about her videos. While she has no problem finding evidence for all the wrongdoings, she doesn't make much effort to praise anyone who actively avoided what she's complaining about and did it right.

All sticks and no carrots.

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Way back when she listed all her videos, the last one (No. 13?) was supposed to be about games that did it "right".

So, you know, just hold out until 2027 when she would have to get attacked by robotic dick-gorillas to get a mention on Twitter v3.0 and you'll get to see the whole picture.
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The issues she talks about are real but dear god do I not want to watch her videos, content aside they're just less interesting than reading a dictionary.

That said, I was looking for some reviews about Divinity and when I got to the comments of one review I found a whole discussion about how the Ad/promo art being changed was censorship and the complainings of femi-nazi's or on the other side of the coin how that one image (that was changed a year before release) meant that someone just couldn't buy the game anymore because it was obviously sexist.
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Meh, still unrealistically thin, with form-fitting clothing and an over-sized chest, etc. 4/10, shame on them. Smiley: disappointed

Smiley: rolleyes

Or maybe this is why games should have lots of sliders for, um... customization?
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The breasts should stay the same size but give a slider to make the body larger or smaller. Smiley: thumbsup

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My roommate's reaction to reading the "death threat" tweets:
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Edited, Aug 28th 2014 1:25pm by Poldaran
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The **** should stay the same size but give a slider to make the body larger or smaller.

So long as they stop before you get gnome-sized; that just isn't a pretty mental image.

Edited, Aug 28th 2014 12:25pm by someproteinguy
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Getting worked up about how legitimately excited some dork is over Laser Lemurs III doesn't ring the same bells.
Maybe not excited, but I'd like the people that are being designated to tell us if a game is worth our money to be a little honest about it. If Call of Battle Madden 15xvi is crappy, I think we should know before putting some money down. We really shouldn't have to gamble on a game's quality.

Really though, the part that gets under my skin is when people get fired or sanctioned over their opinion when their job is about presenting an opinion.
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Did she ever get sued for stealing that one person's art? Or has that not hit the official lawsuit stage yet?
I haven't heard anything of it, so either nothing came of it, nothing has come out of it yet, or they're just saving the reveal for the next video.
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I'm sure that if WoW had the option, someone would have made an obese female gnome with giant titties

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After noticing the typo in the thread title, I keep mentally reading it in Mario's voice.
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Doing a quick search reveals that people do that with or without sliders.
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Tumblr? I bet it was Tumblr.
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After noticing the typo in the thread title, I keep mentally reading it in Mario's voice.


Have I mentioned how much I love Jophiel...?
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I'm sure that if WoW had the option, someone would have made an obese female gnome with giant titties

I seem to remember a few very well-endowed hot little pieces in Ak'anon in EQ1...
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I think Joph finally pinpointed what I didn't like about her videos. While she has no problem finding evidence for all the wrongdoings, she doesn't make much effort to praise anyone who actively avoided what she's complaining about and did it right.

All sticks and no carrots.


Can it, catwhoRE, no-one cares what you think. You're nothing but a worthless slut, and the sooner you stop posting for good the better.

In contrast, I've really enjoyed Belkira's posts in this thread. Belkira, you are the effervescent glow of a waterfall at sunset, the gentle kiss of the breeze in summer, the joy in children's laughter, the moon of my life. Will you marry me?
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*shrug* It says a lot about her that she can **** off hordes of 13 year olds. It says even more that she reacts to it the way she did. **** her. **** her high horse and her attempts at publicity.

I do not like modern day feministas, but I didn't like them when they were fighting to change the language from postman to postwoman.
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Ah, so angrymnk is still a moron.

Some things never change.
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Clearly, when Kavekk posts via my account, he is still ignored. Do you think that says something profoundly sad about his personality?
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The response from the "games press" to the Anita fakery and the Quinn thing has been interesting. Someone on Facebook linked me a list that someone on Reddit put together.

"Gamers" are over, apparently.
Edit: Apparently one of the words in the URL is triggering the filter. Here's the list.

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'Gamers' don't have to be your audience. 'Gamers' are over. Exclusive(http://archive.today/l1kTW)
Leigh Alexander
Gamasutra
Aug 28, 10:00am

An awful week to care about video games(http://archive.today/rkvO8)
Chris Plante
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Aug 28, 1:21pm

The death of the “gamers” and the women who “killed” them(https://archive.today/ZyLdw)
Casey Johnson
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Aug 28, 5:00pm

A Guide to Ending "Gamers"(http://archive.today/2t93l)
Devin Wilson
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Aug 28, 7:57 pm

We Might Be Witnessing The 'Death of An Identity'(https://archive.today/ht088)
Luke Plunkett
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Aug 28, 8:00pm

Gaming Is Leaving “Gamers” Behind(http://archive.today/jVqJ8)
Joseph Bernstein
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Aug 28, 8:29 pm

Sexism, Misogyny, and online attacks: It's a horrible time to consider yourself a gamer(https://archive.today/HkPHc)
Patrick O'Rourke
Financial Post
Aug 28, 9:33pm

It's Dangerous to Go Alone: Why Are Gamers So Angry?(http://archive.today/9NxHy)
Arthur Chu
The Daily Beast
Aug 28, time unknown

The End of Gamers(https://archive.today/L4vJG)
Dan Golding
Tumblr
Aug 28, time unknown

This guy's embarassing relationship drama is killing the 'gamer' identity(https://archive.today/L4n6p)
Mike Pearl
Vice
Aug 29, time unknown


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Holy cats, each of those pieces is stupider than the one before. I also noticed that, as you go through the list, the opinion pieces begin citing one another as evidence which is always a good sign.

Also, one of them is 80% contrived "thought experiment" which put it at Gbaji-post levels.

Edited, Aug 31st 2014 2:29pm by Jophiel
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I also noticed that, as you go through the list, the opinion pieces begin citing one another as evidence which is always a good sign.
I've noticed that it happens a lot with those sites.

Edit: You know, if I had run across this a couple hours ago, I might have been extremely skeptical. Surely that could never happen. They wouldn't buy it. After reading those articles? I'm not so sure anymore.

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"Will destroy gaming for the male population forever"?

Hardly. You know what will "destroy gaming" (such as it's being defined here) forever? If people actually stop buying all those games. Which isn't really happening. So they're going to keep making those games (Tomb Raider or Grand Theft Auto or Mario Brothers or whatever the terrible trope-promoting game of the hour is) because people keep spending money on them.

I've said before that I'd be a lot more impressed if someone actually put their money where their mouth is and started making these games that are supposedly being craved. That's not something your average internet poster can do but here we have a couple people who, between them, can rake in huge piles of dollars and (supposedly*) design games so... well, wouldn't the obvious next step be putting out wonderful games that give these people all they feel a game should have to meet this need and show everyone else how it's done and how successful it'll be?

This isn't to give any credence to the random Imgur thingie, of course.

*Really, I've heard no one claim that Depression Quest is actually a good game

Edited, Aug 31st 2014 3:42pm by Jophiel
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I've said before that I'd be a lot more impressed if someone actually put their money where their mouth is and started making these games that are supposedly being craved.
Apparently putting your money where your mouth is gets you blackballed in the industry.

Edit: I'm gonna try Depression Quest tonight and I'll post about it tomorrow sometime between dying of noxious paint fumes and picking splinters out of my hands.

Edited, Aug 31st 2014 8:04pm by lolgaxe
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If Depression Quest is what we get when we follow the Enlightened Guide to Gaming, we weren't missing much.

Edit: Actually, it sounds as though FYC was trying to help female developers and then they got in a fight with Quinn and now people are blackballing them on Quinn's behalf? Or something?

Edited, Aug 31st 2014 7:25pm by Jophiel
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That's exactly what FYC was trying to do. They were going to do all the legwork and the contest consisted of finding a woman with an idea but not the know-how. 8% of proceeds were going to go to her, and the rest to charity. Then Quinn started posting on her Twitter account how FYC was trying to, basically, enslave a woman and not pay her and steal her ideas and such. At that point /v/ jumped in and tossed FYC a lot of money to continue with their project, going so far as helping with character design with creating Vivian James.

I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding, and that after the project all but died Quinn started her own version of the exact same thing right afterwards is just a coincidence as well.

Anyway, started Depression Quest. Quitting it after four pages. It's literally a Choose Your Adventure book with less effort put into it than a cheap Newgrounds Flash game. THIS is the game. There are some links that go into describing things, like "Alex."

It's not a game in any sense of the word. There is zero entertainment value to it, and there is less educational value. The whole thing is so nonsensically "safe" that it borders being insulting. You start as a "mid-twenties human being with a significant other." You go a while making a few decisions which is about as fun as reading a "Choose Your Adventure" book, minus the adventure. Or any actual choice, apparently. The twenty minutes I played half the selections were blocked off. Even if you make the "good" choices, like asking friends for help and go to a doctor and such it just prolongs the pain. And not in an educational "Now you understand what being depressed is like" way, but more as a "Two hundred channels on TV and the power is out" kind of pain.

Even the music is like six notes repeated infinitely.
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"Played" it as well. It's about as much a game as Dinner Date or The Graveyard.

I picked the obvious "good" answers. I'd see if I wind up hanging myself from the shower rod if I pick all "bad" answers but honestly don't care enough to find out.

The blocked off answers, I assume, are supposed to make you realize how trapped and corralled you are by your depression. The more you know!

Edited, Aug 31st 2014 7:57pm by Jophiel
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#50 Aug 31 2014 at 7:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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That's exactly what FYC was trying to do. They were going to do all the legwork and the contest consisted of finding a woman with an idea but not the know-how. 8% of proceeds were going to go to her, and the rest to charity.

Frankly, that's a very generous offer given the number of knuckleheads out there who say "Needed: Coders, Animators, Writers, Voice Actors for great game idea I have. Can't pay but it'll look awesome in your portfolio!". To not only have NOT have rocks rightfully thrown at you but to even get paid for it should be a dream come true.
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#51 Aug 31 2014 at 9:50 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
"Will destroy gaming for the male population forever"?

Hardly. You know what will "destroy gaming" (such as it's being defined here) forever? If people actually stop buying all those games. Which isn't really happening. So they're going to keep making those games (Tomb Raider or Grand Theft Auto or Mario Brothers or whatever the terrible trope-promoting game of the hour is) because people keep spending money on them.
I'm not saying I believe it'll destroy gaming or anything. I'm just saying I'd no longer put it past them to try.

Edit: We'll be okay now. There's a hashtag campaign. Smiley: laugh
Edit2: And Jayne Cobb(Adam Baldwin) is on the side of gamers.

Edit3: Funniest thing I've heard related to this:
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Someone needs to get ahold of Geoff Keighley and tell him to say thank you to Kotaku and Polygon and Rock Paper Shotgun and all of the others because they've made him look good. Guess whose name hasn't been connected to any of this **** Geoff Keighley. Guess what website hasn't been connected to any of this **** IGN. He may be the **** Doritos Pope but at least he's clean in my eyes, because, after all, Popes are celibate. And that's how I know that he sure as **** isn't one of the Five Guys.


Edited, Sep 1st 2014 12:51am by Poldaran
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