This again, only different. Kind of. Follow

Even if ridiculous and intentionally antagonistic behavior is directed toward a cop.. as long as it's not physically threatening the onus is on the COP to not respond back in a like manner NOT the citizen and they should do everything in their power to prevent violence.
It is not the duty of a cop to school and correct people that act like ********. It is their job to put up with it.


Edited, Dec 4th 2014 7:02pm by Kelvyquayo

Eh, I occasionally forget that I am talking to you and I each sentence should be written in a way that is easily understood by you.

When I ask you to elaborate on acting identically, I do mean I would like you to elaborate. No joke, no fooling, no april fools; I would like you to tell me a little bit about what YOU THINK TRANSPIRED so that then we can compare it to the white version of events and then see if they could be identical.

Why you ask? Well, many reasons really, but it may be illuminating either way. So I want you to do the same thing you, apparently, want me to do. I am not holding my breath as you already shown general unwillingness to bend to any kind of polite requests ( as you did in previous unrelated thread - see what I did there ).

As for witness testimony, it seems somewhat contradictory. Naturally, the cop stated it was justified. No conflict of interest there. The dead kid can't say anything, but he was a thug so it is ok. He probably would incriminate himself anyway. As for the rest, it varies. His friend certainly did not support cop's statements.. But yeah, the cop's word is worth three regular Joe's words.

And there is a reason for this, we all know cops are not human. They are paragons of justice sent from heaven by God himself to defend us against the darkness and all that it brings with it. They are not human and certainly would not lie to serve their agenda. They certainly would not alter the story. They certainly would not resort to distortion, omission, character assassination, intimidation, violence if it suited their purposes. Nop.

So Gbaji, why is the cop, who is also happens to be a suspect here, more trustworthy here?

Is he not human?

Also, by your demand, what I think happened ( based by the testimony of the friend and link to the guy doing the nasty with new gf over skype ), cop saw kids jaywalking, cop talked to the kids through the window, grabbed the bigger kid, the kid managed to break away and started running away, the cop emptied entire magazine from the car ( mind you ) at a kid that was running away.

How is running away less plausible than demon like thug chaerging at me? If I had a gun pointed at me, I would run.

Gbaji, this is how a normal cop actually works.

And this passenger actually is actually quite insane.

Do you see the difference in approach?

You clearly saw cops in movies only. You may have heard something somewhere about broken window theory, but cops do not have to do ****; selective enforcement and all that.They can certainly ignore it if they want to. They can also make your life miserable over jaywalking.

Edit: Ooh, ooh, they can even kill you over jaywalking or selling cigarettes without a license.


Edited, Dec 4th 2014 7:41pm by angrymnk

If they had tazed him, and he'd had a heart attack and died, you'd be arguing that there were like 6 officers there, more than enough to have physically handled him without shooting him with a jolt of electricity.

See how it's a no-win scenario for the cops?



Huh? All I did was stipulate that the blonde woman we're replacing Brown with be of similar size and strength. Which seems completely reasonable given the circumstances we're discussing.

Peter Pan Live is on, with Christopher Walken as Hook.

Probably a better time than pretending either "cops are good" and "cops are bad!" group aren't just both being idiots.

Says the spokesman of the "cops are bad!" group, sure.

And I happen to be Military Police, and work with the NYPD and Homeland Security for the mass transit system directly. You're welcome, I enjoy winning.

Edited, Dec 4th 2014 8:11pm by lolgaxe

Which is my point at mocking both sides of this. Want to thank me again for proving you're ignoring reality, or should we go for three?

Well, kinda, Gbaji is not responding and I am kinda bored.

Nope. Tazer =outside chance of death. Bullets=great likelihood of death. See why the tazer is less force?

Yes, by changing the parameters of another's statement, gbaji "wins". This is intrinsic to you "logical" argument style.


Edited, Dec 4th 2014 6:22pm by Bijou

You don't know who Walken is?

Yes. They can. But not all the time, else there would be no reason to pay them, right? So. We agree that at least some of the time, the police must intervene when someone is committing a crime. We can then assume that some percentage of these interventions will result in the person committing the crime resisting the police in some way. And some percentage of those will result in some kind of harm or even death to that person.

Looking at that outcome and just that outcome and proclaiming that in this one particular case the cops should have not intervened is silly at best. The cops can't possibly know which jaywalker is going to go nuts and attack them. They can't possibly know which obese person will go into some kind of arrest if they manhandle them and die. They just can't know that ahead of time.

I've watched the Garner video several times now, and while clearly the actions of the police caused him to die, I've seen videos of police take downs that are a hell of a lot more violent than that. I'm not sure what they could have done differently in this case. I don't think it was the arm around the neck that caused him to die either (although it's hard to tell once he's on the ground). It seems more like his weight and an existing asthma condition combined resulted in his lungs being compressed while he was on the ground, preventing him from being able to breathe, and causing him to pass out. He was able to say "I can't breathe" several times, something he would not have been able to do if he was being choked at the time.

While the police actions clearly caused his death, it's a huge stretch to call it anything other than accidental. No way would any reasonable person expect that this level of force should result in someone dying. Heck. I've been put under more difficult positions being dog piled by my siblings offspring than this guy was subjected to. It's sad, to be sure. But hardly intentional, and certainly not racial.





If by "miserable" you mean being told to get off the street, sure. If by "miserable" you mean being shot to death, then that didn't happen because of jaywalking, so you're missing the point.