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#1 Aug 18 2014 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
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Unarmed black teenager is murdered by authority figure after alleged petty theft. Community is outraged. Ignorant white people attempt to rationalize justification for the murder. Peaceful protests are met with tear gas, rubber bullets and armored vehicles. Riots and looting happen. Riots and looting are wildly exaggerated.

Did I leave out any details?
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#2 Aug 18 2014 at 7:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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Did I leave out any details?
The parts where the riots and looting actually isn't greatly exaggerated, and the part where the locals start defending a few of their own shops the day after.
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This forum is dead without me. What do you have like 8 people posting nowadays?

Well, there was like nine people with you. But, yeah, this place is in its twilight era.
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The no holds bar claim is as empty as you liberals moral fortitude.
Says the guy who has, time and again, regaled in his immorality.

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Only because of the people running the site. The no holds bar claim is as empty as you liberals moral fortitude. Can't say this can't think this oh you're creepy.

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itiswhatitis wrote:
You mean besides the part where the 6'5 300lb thug who just committed a strong armed robbery attempted to bumrush the cop?

This forum is dead without me. What do you have like 8 people posting nowadays?


Autopsy released showed he was likely shot down with his hands up in surrender.

Executed on the streets for jaywalking. Smiley: frown
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#11 Aug 18 2014 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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He was black. He deserved it.
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Only because of the people running the site.

Partially. I think much of it has to do with less need for sites like this in general. MMORPGs these days pretty much hold your hand through questing and loot is often evenly scattered throughout the world or is semi-randomly generated from mix-and-match components ["Iron Shield" (15 Defense) "of Bright" (+3 INT) "Valor" (+10 hp)]. Also, developers/publishers are better at hosting their own forums these days.

Less overall population leads to less "out of topic" style traffic leads to slower forums leads to people leaving 'cause it's slow, etc. It's not as though the other forums are exactly hopping either. Anyway, someone's opinion on who deserved to be shot isn't what's driving or preventing traffic.

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O-boards killed the allakhazam.

I'm assuming the last ones here have the most difficulty stopping one thing to do another.
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#15 Aug 18 2014 at 9:28 AM Rating: Good
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Also, developers/publishers are better at hosting their own forums these days.

I'm more inclined to go with this. Questing rpgs/mmos are extremely easy as compared with the original EQ. But still people want to talk about it, brag about it, ***** about it.

I think the forum lacks sufficient drama human interest to keep people interested. Smiley: clown

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O-boards killed the allakhazam.

I'm assuming the last ones here have the most difficulty stopping one thing to do another.

I clicked on your signature link to the Redit Asylum. It's different and frightening.
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We disagree, I'm shocked. People know when they go to an off topic forum they're not talking about video games

You miss the point, I'm shocked.

No one originally comes to ZAM to argue politics. They come to find out where the Golden Grain drops for the Mystic Weevil quest. Then they eventually perhaps filter over to the OOT forums. If no one needs to find out where the Golden Grain drops because there's a giant red exclamation point on your in-game map, then they don't come to ZAM to find out.
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#20 Aug 18 2014 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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[ Totem got tired of you people and left
I like to think he converted to liberalism.
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I think he converted to Islam during his stay in Afghanistan, myself.
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Oh, also Facebook. I know a bunch of old Asylumites still stay connected via Facebook so there's no reason to use forums like this just to share baby photos and talk about home purchases.
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I get that new blood is rare which is why you don't run people off for their political views. I'd say there would be 20+ people consistently posting if they didn't feel marginalized.

Not my fault conservatives are pussies.
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#27 Aug 18 2014 at 9:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, great, Debalic. You're why we can't have nice things Smiley: frown
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#29 Aug 18 2014 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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Autopsy released showed he was likely shot down with his hands up in surrender.
The three autopsies were inconclusive. All they revealed was that he wasn't shot in the back like the eye witnesses originally claimed.
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Oh, great, Debalic. You're why we can't have nice things Smiley: frown

Yeah, but you have me, which, uhh...

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#31 Aug 18 2014 at 11:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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The three autopsies were inconclusive. All they revealed was that he wasn't shot in the back like the eye witnesses originally claimed.

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Dr. Michael Baden, the medical examiner, said that all but the last shot, which hit the top of Brown's head, would have been survivable, and attorneys argued that the trajectories of the head shots showed Brown was attempting to surrender to police. "It shows a back-to-front [trajectory] for both of those, and it supports what the witnesses said about him trying to surrender to the officer," Attorney Daryl Parks said. "His head was in a downward position. Had to be, for what had happened. Those types of facts are clear. And we believe that given those kinds of facts, this officer should have been arrested."

"It verifies the worst that the family thinks happened—that he was executed," said Crump. "It confirms what the witnesses said, that this was an execution. That's what the witnesses said from day one." Crump also argued that the trajectory of bullets through Brown's hand and arm make it "obvious" that "his hands were up at some point."
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You just don't want to admit he was a violent 6'4 300lb thug that tried to bumrush a cop.


It appears that a man who got into an altercation with an officer about jaywalking was executed while trying to surrender to an officer after being shot. No witness I've seen have said the officer ordered him to surrender. This happened in an area where a large part of the population have felt bullied by the police.

Attempts to protest this were mostly met with more bullying by the police from Sunday, when the shooting happened, through Wednesday night. Due to working a couple of overnight shifts a week for the last month, I was up Wednesday night watching live streams pondering why a town in the US looked like a warzone and basic freedoms we enjoy in this country were being violently suppressed:

A number of factors lead to this: a lack of diversity in the local police force, violent elements in the mostly peaceful protester crowds, a police chief that seems more interested in the character assassination of what very much looks like the execution of a robbery suspect that was shot by a cop that didn't know he was a robbery suspect, & the St. Louis County PD playing military - poorly.

The transfer of the operations to the MO State Police was a great move by the Governor of MO, but it may be too late. Violent elements in the mostly peaceful protesting crowd lead to more issues between the police, the press, & innocent bystanders just last night. Now, along with the curfew, the National Guard are getting called in.

I do wonder why those that rallied around those gun nuts that didn't want to pay grazing fees for illegally grazing cattle on federal lands seem to be ok with this, though? I know the answer is racism, but it'll be "interesting" to hear what hoops they have to jump through in order to try and convince themselves & others its not.

Seriously, imagine if the local police brought the military surplus **** that they haven't been trained to use to that "standoff" & pointed guns at them.
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The three autopsies were inconclusive. All they revealed was that he wasn't shot in the back like the eye witnesses originally claimed.

Well, they did reveal that he was shot in the head. Twice. At some range.

So, you know, the cop was a good shot, we know that now.

Also we know that the cop had no inkling that the dead guy was a robbery suspect so it couldn't have informed his decision to shoot him in the head. Obviously it makes it ok, though. If I behead a stranger and it turns out he was mean to cats, that's fine then.
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So, you know, the cop was a good shot, we know that now.
Or a bad shot.
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or if you draw and shoot a 6'4 300lb thug that's running at you full speed that's ok to.

Might be. Depends on the circumstance. Shouldn't take six shots to stop him, however. I don't know what they carry down there in rubeville, but I happen to own a Glock 22, which is probably what they carry. If it really took six .40 cal shots including two in the head to stop the guy, they should grind up is body and serve the flesh to soldiers to grant them the same superpowers.
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#40 Aug 18 2014 at 11:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's easy to create this false narrative when you ignore the actual recording of a witness that said he tried to bumrush the cop.

You're an idiot if you think the 6'4 300 thug had his hands up and was shot while surrendering.


I've seen multiple interviews with witnesses that described a struggle through the window of the officer's vehicle. I've seen no interviews where the witnesses described Michael Brown as instigating the struggle. I've seen one where the witness states the cop "started it" by essentially giving Michael Brown and the witness **** for jaywalking, exchanging words with Brown, attempting to open his door which bounced back at him because he hit Brown with it being so close, the cop reaching out through the window and struggling with Brown, a shot being fired in the car, Brown fleeing while bleeding from a gunshot, & Brown being shot & shot at while fleeing and surrendering. That doesn't mean Brown didn't "start it", but it'll be the officer's word against the witness's. Multiple witnesses have stated they saw Michael shot multiple times while running away & attempting to surrender.

Even if Brown was the "bad guy" throughout most of this, the cop didn't have the right to execute an unarmed man who was surrendering.
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Grow the fuck up.


Devotion? I've posted on this site like 2 days in 2 years. But of course I know you have no idea that words actually have meanings.


So you're not the same sad sack of shit who repeatedly gets banned and comes back? Just a different one?
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Even if Brown was the "bad guy" throughout most of this, the cop didn't have the right to execute an unarmed man who was surrendering.

He does, actually, depending on the circumstances. You could work to change those sort of laws if you like, but we can't just cover eyes and play pretend that's how it works. It isn't.
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#43 Aug 18 2014 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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He does, actually, depending on the circumstances.


Its my understanding that this all hinges on whether the officer felt that the suspect was an immediate danger to the public, had a weapon, or was given a warning that he would be shot if he didn't surrender.

By all witness accounts, the cop was 0/3 on those. I'd guess that the "immediate danger" part will be used by the officer's attorneys as justification, as they can't use the Robbery suspect option because their Police Chief is incompetent & also a ****.
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He does, actually, depending on the circumstances.


Its my understanding that this all hinges on whether the officer felt that the suspect was an immediate danger to the public, had a weapon, or was given a warning that he would be shot if he didn't surrender.

By all witness accounts, the cop was 0/3 on those. I'd guess that the "immediate danger" part will be used by the officer's attorneys as justification, as they can't use the Robbery suspect option because their Police Chief is incompetent & also a ****

The only consistent thread in all the accounts provided is that they are inconsistent.
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I don't know what they carry down there in rubeville, but I happen to own a Glock 22, which is probably what they carry.
Considering the way the rounds seemed to have ricocheted it sounds like they were using 9mm rounds, which let's be honest for a second couldn't stop a wall.
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By all witness accounts, the cop was 0/3 on those.


Meh. Sorta. The meta issue of white America treating black folks like animals and not caring much if they get murdered doesn't magically mean this was the case of a mustachio twirling villain with a badge roaming the streets looking for an excuse to kill someone. That doesn't seem to be the case at all. It feels more like the guy just panicked, and overreacted. Probably without much malice. He shouldn't have to carry the weight for 100 million Gabaji's being racists just because he's in a position of authority.
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Considering the way the rounds seemed to have ricocheted it sounds like they were using 9mm rounds, which let's be honest for a second couldn't stop a wall.

Possible, but probably unlikely given the amount of time they've clearly spent thinking about weaponry there.
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or if you draw and shoot a 6'4 300lb thug that's running at you full speed that's ok to.

Might be. Depends on the circumstance. Shouldn't take six shots to stop him, however. I don't know what they carry down there in rubeville, but I happen to own a Glock 22, which is probably what they carry. If it really took six .40 cal shots including two in the head to stop the guy, they should grind up is body and serve the flesh to soldiers to grant them the same superpowers.

Shooting a grizzly bear with anything smaller than a 90mm HEAT round will just **** it off, you know...
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Meh. Sorta. The meta issue of white America treating black folks like animals and not caring much if they get murdered doesn't magically mean this was the case of a mustachio twirling villain with a badge roaming the streets looking for an excuse to kill someone.


I doubt race even played as big a factor in this issue as the "respect my authority" aspect.

Cop pulls up to two teens walking in the middle of the street, tells them to get the **** on the sidewalk. Teens say they're going right there & probably some other stuff as cop drives away. Cop stops, reverses, gives a "what'd you say?", gets more disrespect. Cops goes to open his door, door bounces/is pushed back into him. Cop reaches for Brown through window, struggle ensues. Cop goes for gun, ends up shooting Brown a bunch of times while he's running away & surrendering. Cop justifies it because Brown was "going for his gun".

So, if Brown was the "bad guy", he would have assaulted an officer, resisted arrest (for jaywalking?), and attempted to take the officers weapon. Even IF that happened, does the cop have the right to shoot the fleeing unarmed suspect as many times as he did while in the process of surrendering?
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You can't flee and surrender.
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#51 Aug 18 2014 at 1:00 PM Rating: Good
You can flee until shots from a gun change your mind about fleeing & you decide to surrender instead. Especially when they hit you.
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