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#1 Jul 24 2014 at 6:29 AM Rating: Good
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There must be some way to track planes to keep them from going missing??

This time it's an Algeria plane that was traveling from Burkina Faso to Algiers with 116 people. Apparently the plane disappeared somewhere over Mali.

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#2 Jul 24 2014 at 7:02 AM Rating: Good
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There must be some way to track planes to keep them from going missing??
How about one of these but for planes?

Edited, Jul 24th 2014 3:03pm by Aethien
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Another month or two of that guy from CNN investigating in Australia?
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Plane has been confirmed as crashed by Algerian Official. Possibly downed by sandstorm occurring in the flight path.

Edited, Jul 24th 2014 10:17am by Shaowstrike
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If the sandstorm is even a quarter as intense as the ones in Kuwait, I can buy that.
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Googling Mali Sandstorm gives me this.

I could see a plane disappear in there.

Edited, Jul 24th 2014 4:52pm by Aethien
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There must be some way to track planes to keep them from going missing??
Crash them into apartment buildings.

Well it worked, didn't it? Smiley: bah
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I would think commercial airliners would be flying well above sand-storms.


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I would think commercial airliners would be flying well above sand-storms.



I think it depends in the flight. 110 passengers isn't a lot. Probably one of those smaller 3 seat or 4 seat row planes. I think the smaller flights fly lower. I know my flights around the US fly through rainstorms where you can see nothing but darks clouds and water out the windows. I'd imagine sandstorms reaching similar heights.

The one time I flew across the Atlantic it was pretty high though. Bigger plane. Longer flight. Higher flight.

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And...I'm officially fatigued of caring about this now. Apologies in advance to anyone I know who dies in a terrible plane crash.
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And...I'm officially fatigued of caring about this now. Apologies in advance to anyone I know who dies in a terrible plane crash.
I am already bored with the endless stream of news about the crash in Ukraine and two thirds of the people on that plane had the same nationality as me so I should care, or something. At least it's better than the news about the 2 girls who went on a day long walk in the jungle in central america somewhere without a guide, got lost and died. Not sure how that got to dominate the news for months.


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And...I'm officially fatigued of caring about this now. Apologies in advance to anyone I know who dies in a terrible plane crash.
I am already bored with the endless stream of news about the crash in Ukraine and two thirds of the people on that plane had the same nationality as me so I should care, or something. At least it's better than the news about the 2 girls who went on a day long walk in the jungle in central america somewhere without a guide, got lost and died. Not sure how that got to dominate the news for months.

I bet they were blond and pretty. Pretty blond girls are a huge draw for the media. Though I never heard about it, I take it they were of your ilk?
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Yeah, they were Dutch, no idea if they were pretty and/or blondes but they were young and the news was full of how their families still had hope and whatnot.
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I am already bored with the endless stream of news about the crash in Ukraine and two thirds of the people on that plane had the same nationality as me so I should care, or something.
Congratulations, you're about 64% American now. Have yourself a hot dog.
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Can I get a pizza instead? My only options for pizza at the moment are two delivery places, one of which is mediocre and overpriced and the other seems to think that a pizza isn't a pizza unless it's covered in half an inch of oregano.
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the other seems to think that a pizza isn't a pizza unless it's covered in half an inch of oregano.
That sounds like a war crime.
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The entire list of pizzas they have on the takeaway ordering website has oregano as an ingredient and the one time I ordered from them my cheese pizza tasted more like oregano than cheese.



Now imagine that being the second best option you have for pizza. And neither of the two places has the decency to cut the pizzas into slices or uses those plastic thingies in the middle to keep the lid from touching the pizza.
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The entire list of pizzas they have on the takeaway ordering website has oregano as an ingredient and the one time I ordered from them my cheese pizza tasted more like oregano than cheese.



Now imagine that being the second best option you have for pizza. And neither of the two places has the decency to cut the pizzas into slices or uses those plastic thingies in the middle to keep the lid from touching the pizza.


The sauce must be extremely cheap, and they're using the oregano to cover the lack of taste. You should just make your own if there aren't any other options.
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You have delivery choices and you're not even American. Quit your whining.



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You should just make your own if there aren't any other options.
Should.

It's also a great way to keep a 5-year-old busy, if you ever find yourself in a tight spot.
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The sauce must be extremely cheap, and they're using the oregano to cover the lack of taste. You should just make your own if there aren't any other options.
I would if my apartment had an oven... Smiley: frown
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You should just make your own if there aren't any other options.
Should.

It's also a great way to keep a 5-year-old busy, if you ever find yourself in a tight spot.

M&M, gummi bear pizza ftw!
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Less ingredients, more punching dough.
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
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The sauce must be extremely cheap, and they're using the oregano to cover the lack of taste. You should just make your own if there aren't any other options.
I would if my apartment had an oven... Smiley: frown

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I've considered buying one but since I don't plan to live here for very long it feels kind of like a waste if wherever I end up next does have an oven.
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I've considered buying one but since I don't plan to live here for very long it feels kind of like a waste if wherever I end up next does have an oven.


I have one and a gas range. The toaster oven is nice for small things. Heats up faster and takes less time.
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I've considered buying one but since I don't plan to live here for very long it feels kind of like a waste if wherever I end up next does have an oven.


I have one and a gas range. The toaster oven is nice for small things. Heats up faster and takes less time.
And it makes toast too. Smiley: nod

Really I don't think we've ever used ours for much else, except melting cheese on burgers on whatnot.
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How do you not have an oven? My first apartment had an oven. It was advertised as a second room.
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How do you not have an oven? My first apartment had an oven. It was advertised as a second room.


Germany?
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With the right settings, you can cook a nice steak in your toaster oven.

Cleaning it afterwards is impossible, though.

ETA: Impossible is hyperbole, but it is a huge pain in the **** trying to get it back to its original shine.

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Cover the steak with aluminum foil first.
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Then stick it in the microwave instead?
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Cover the steak with aluminum foil first.


It doesn't get that same crisp on any fat around the edges. Smiley: disappointed

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Cover the steak with aluminum foil first.


It doesn't get that same crisp on any fat around the edges. Smiley: disappointed


You need to lightly coat it with oil first.
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Is anyone else a little squicked about this discussion of foil-covered steaks in a thread about a plane crash?
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No, but now I can't get the analogy out of my mind thank you very much. Smiley: lol
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Why did you have to make this weird, Samira?!

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Not as bad as microwaving a steak.
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It doesn't get that same crisp on any fat around the edges. Smiley: disappointed
You need to lightly coat it with oil fry it in butter and whip it at cars first.

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The sauce must be extremely cheap, and they're using the oregano to cover the lack of taste. You should just make your own if there aren't any other options.
I would if my apartment had an oven... Smiley: frown

Toaster oven FTW.

English muffin mini-pizzas in the toaster oven.
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Generally there is. There are actually a series of systems that will allow someone with proper access to track an aircraft. Newer post 2005-ish aircraft all have some sort of GPS transponder built into them. Usually the transponder service provider charges a fee to have it activated, and aspects of it can be disabled from the cockpit such as what they think may have happened to the first missing plane. There is also radar. in the US, we have a super dense radar pattern for aircraft control, weather monitoring and defense. Anything flying through the air above 100 feet off the ground and larger than a teacup will show up in some form on most of those. radar sites, with the occasional gaps in coverage behind mountains or in very sparsly populated areas of no strategic importance. You also have various surveilance satilites floating around that can see aircraft from orbit.

The problem is, that most of the rest of the world flies rebuilt 1980 era Boeing 727 or russian Aeroflot aircraft which don't even know what a transponder is. They also have minimal radar coverage because radar sites are expensive to build and maintain. And satilite footage is generally available in some form, but you have to know where you are looking to be able to know what picture frame to look at at what time period. Otherwise there are thousands of pictures to sort through, and the satilites are often moved around to view important strategic concerns and may not have been in the exact right place to track a 650mph aircraft flying evasive patterns at low altitude.

Even if you do have satilite or military radar feeds, there is a strong desire by most countries not to show their military sensor capability to the rest of the world.. Couple that with local ******* contest rivalries. areas of the world that the US really doesn't particularily care about, a situation where allowing China to fail to find an aircraft is seen as more politically desirable and useful than the U.S. expending major efforts to locate it, and a search being ran by a bunch of idiots out to throw influence around and save face after a coup rather than actually finding out what happened, and I'd be suprised if they ever find the aircraft. it had to have gone into the water mostly intact and sank without releasing debris to the surface otherwise something would have been spotted by now. That particular sea area is very deep, and covered with a very thick layer of iron rich sludge on the bottom too, so locating something from the surface or towed arrrays may not work.
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Is anyone else a little squicked about this discussion of foil-covered steaks in a thread about a plane crash?
Now that you mention it, now I'm wondering if it locked in their flavor.
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Even if you do have satilite or military radar feeds, there is a strong desire by most countries not to show their military sensor capability to the rest of the world.. Couple that with local ******* contest rivalries. areas of the world that the US really doesn't particularily care about, a situation where allowing China to fail to find an aircraft is seen as more politically desirable and useful than the U.S. expending major efforts to locate it, and a search being ran by a bunch of idiots out to throw influence around and save face after a coup rather than actually finding out what happened, and I'd be suprised if they ever find the aircraft.
Which is why we know it really went down over western China. No one wants to admit to either seeing or not seeing the aircraft, so they're all "yeah we never saw anything, it must be in the Indian Ocean," and we spend lifetimes looking for something that crashed in some remote corner of northern Tibet trying to land at a terrorist controlled make-shift runway.

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a search being ran by a bunch of idiots out to throw influence around and save face

Wait, I thought you said the US aviation community WASN'T involved?

I kid, I kid. No really, those people are horrible, though.
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