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#1 Jul 17 2014 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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A Malaysia Airlines passenger jet carrying 295 people from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur has crashed in an area of eastern Ukraine where separatist rebels have been engaging Ukrainian military forces in recent weeks.

Ukraine's president, Petro Poroshenko, said the jet may have been shot down.

"We do not exclude that the plane was shot down and confirm that the Ukraine armed forces did not fire at any targets in the sky," Poroshenko said in a statement.


What a twist.
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#2 Jul 17 2014 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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The news cycle sure is getting condensed.
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Just for fun:

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A tweet (in Russian) from a key Twitter account used by pro-Russian separatists, in which they claim to have captured a Buk surface-to-air missile system, has now been deleted, BBC Monitoring observes. Ukrainians say the Malaysian plane could have been downed with a Buk, but pro-Russian rebels have now denied they have it.


Oops. Smiley: rolleyes
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You know, at that point, you look so much less suspicious not deleting it.

I suppose that's the kind of perspective that might be lost in this sort of situation.
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Just for fun:

[quote]A tweet (in Russian) from a key Twitter account used by pro-Russian separatists, in which they claim to have captured a Buk surface-to-air missile system, has now been deleted, BBC Monitoring observes. Ukrainians say the Malaysian plane could have been downed with a Buk, but pro-Russian rebels have now denied they have it.
There was also supposedly a tweet from seperatists bragging they just shot down a Ukranian army plane close to where the Malaysian airlines jet crashed.

And no flight from Schiphol will fly through eastern Ukranian air space anymore for the forseeable future.
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Fuckin Ukranians.

On the other hand, this probably means cheap flights to Kuala Lumpur soon!
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Yeah that sounds about right.

You capture a bunch of big missiles, then grab some ex-military guys from your ranks who were assigned to them 10-20 years ago. They know/remember enough to find a plane and shoot it down, but lack some of the capability to distinguish less important things like maybe an airliner from a military plane. They manage to shoot down a couple of military planes and get a bit too bold, and end up pulling the trigger when they shouldn't have.

This will help with the whole sympathy factor for their cause. Smiley: thumbsup

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So 154 out of the 280 passengers and 15 crew were Dutch so it;s big news here. I am not looking forward to this dominating the news for the next few weeks.
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Well look on the bright side, that's less you'll have to hear about the latest Gaza fiasco.
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So 154 out of the 280 passengers and 15 crew were Dutch so it;s big news here. I am not looking forward to this dominating the news for the next few weeks.

Invade Russia. Not with your quaint "armed forces", obviously, but with Shell and Phillips private paramilitaries. I wouldn't bet against those guys.
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Well look on the bright side, that's less you'll have to hear about the latest Gaza fiasco.

Right. Have to give Israel credit, normally another big news story dominating the international cycle would trigger them to just invade and slaughter civilians. What? Oh right. Of course they are.

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/IDF-intensifies-Gaza-attacks-with-artillery-fire-air-strikes-363289

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Apparently, Putin was calling Obama almost immediately after the incident. I guess even Putin was surprised a little. But I guess you can only play with fire for so long.
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Apparently, Putin was calling Obama almost immediately after the incident. I guess even Putin was surprised a little. But I guess you can only play with fire for so long.

Before what? There's no consequence of this action. What the **** is Malaysia going to do?
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It's an international flight, it's not solely Malaysia's concern.

Obviously, this isn't going to end with Putin torching Moscow and heading off into the Siberian wastes, but that's not to say that nothing will happen. For a start, the chance of the separatists being left to die quietly just rose quite significantly.
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Apparently, Putin was calling Obama almost immediately after the incident. I guess even Putin was surprised a little. But I guess you can only play with fire for so long.

Before what? There's no consequence of this action. What the @#%^ is Malaysia going to do?


Huh? Who is talking about Malaysia? There were five Americans on that plane -- sufficient enough excuse to bomb places. That it hopefully will not happen is another thing.

Edited, Jul 17th 2014 11:52pm by angrymnk
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Huh? Who is talking about Malaysia? There were five Americans on that plane -- sufficient enough excuse to bomb places. That hopefully that will not happen is another thing.


That's only a thing the US does to people that can't fight back and that they were looking for an excuse to bomb anyway. The US can't go around bombing real countries.
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Huh? Who is talking about Malaysia? There were five Americans on that plane -- sufficient enough excuse to bomb places. That hopefully that will not happen is another thing.


That's only a thing the US does to people that can't fight back and that they were looking for an excuse to bomb anyway. The US can't go around bombing real countries.


They could, however, ramp up the proxy war. They won't, but they could.
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So 154 out of the 280 passengers and 15 crew were Dutch so it;s big news here. I am not looking forward to this dominating the news for the next few weeks.

Invade Russia. Not with your quaint "armed forces", obviously, but with Shell and Phillips private paramilitaries. I wouldn't bet against those guys.
I don't think there's been a serious Dutch based private military since the Dutch east India company.

And it was a joint Malaysia Airlines and KLM flight, just using a Malaysian plane.
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Huh? Who is talking about Malaysia? There were five Americans on that plane -- sufficient enough excuse to bomb places


Hahhaa, no, no. So quaint that you think so, but no.
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So 154 out of the 280 passengers and 15 crew were Dutch so it;s big news here. I am not looking forward to this dominating the news for the next few weeks.

Sorry about the senseless loss of your countrymen.

I think the world will take notice of 154 innocent Dutch getting bombed down out of the sky. Use your platform well. Smiley: wink

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Huh? Who is talking about Malaysia? There were five Americans on that plane -- sufficient enough excuse to bomb places


Hahhaa, no, no. So quaint that you think so, but no.


You could always enlighten me instead of going for a one liner. What do you think will happen ( I get that it is mostly reading tea leaves, but you tend to be more right than wrong )?
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So 154 out of the 280 passengers and 15 crew were Dutch so it;s big news here. I am not looking forward to this dominating the news for the next few weeks.

Sorry about the senseless loss of your countrymen.

I think the world will take notice of 154 innocent Dutch getting bombed down out of the sky. Use your platform well. Smiley: wink

The number is up to 189 now, including a senator and a well regarded scientist.


And apparently an Australian woman lost family members in the Malaysian airlines jet that disappeared and again with this crash.

Edited, Jul 18th 2014 2:52pm by Aethien
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And apparently an Australian woman lost family members in the Malaysian airlines jet that disappeared and again with this crash.
Slowest assassination ever.
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Huh? Who is talking about Malaysia? There were five Americans on that plane -- sufficient enough excuse to bomb places


Hahhaa, no, no. So quaint that you think so, but no.


You could always enlighten me instead of going for a one liner. What do you think will happen ( I get that it is mostly reading tea leaves, but you tend to be more right than wrong )?


What will be the results? Most likely nothing.
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And apparently an Australian woman lost family members in the Malaysian airlines jet that disappeared and again with this crash.
Slowest assassination ever.


All of this is probably a black ops vendetta against her family.
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What will be the results? Most likely nothing.


Almost certainly nothing. Who benefits from any sort of intervention here? What would that even be?? Firing a cruise missile into a vague area the Ukraine Interior Ministry pretends it knows where this originated from? Days later? Special forces snatch and grab of random insurgent the same ministry indicates is responsible? That seems like a good idea. Sanctions? Against whom? Russia? They seem to give zero fucks about the existing ones and you loose all sense of proportionality acting on what was likely an error in judgement by a non state sponsored group that NO ONE GIVES A **** ABOUT. Human life is utterly meaningless when removed from a useful political context. There is no useful political context here. The only people that will be punished are citizens of Gaza. For being unlucky.
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Sanctions? Against whom?
Iran.
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Those two dudes.


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What will be the results? Most likely nothing.


Almost certainly nothing.
I bet Putin rolls his eyes, has a laugh, and feels justified in his decision to let the Ukraine problem sort itself out.
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No no, he's right on it. He sent a letter to and called the Dutch prime minister to send his condolences.
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No no, he's right on it. He sent a letter to and called the Dutch prime minister to send his condolences.

It's a big win for Putin, obviously.
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The plot thickens...

The plane was full of AID's researchers.



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The plane was full of AID's researchers.
There's a big congress on AIDS in Australia soon with about 13,000 attending or something like that so they were on their way there. Not just researchers but all sorts of people including activists and whatnot.
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Saw that, then realized I had an analysis I'd been slacking on for some of the HIV people here. Felt like I should probably push that along, you know do my part to help. Checked first though, they didn't explode over Ukraine or anything.
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So we should be cheering about this?
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In reference to the title, for anyone who have never flown Malaysia Airlines, it's actually a really good airline. I flew it again about a month ago to Sri Lanka. Very nice people, comfortable seating, "high tech" and good food.

I would take this time to take advantage of a possible price decrease like with the cruise liners.
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In reference to the title, for anyone who have never flown Malaysia Airlines, it's actually a really good airline. I flew it again about a month ago to Sri Lanka. Very nice people, comfortable seating, "high tech" and good food.


I submit this as proof that Alma is causing the airline to be cursed each time he flies with them.
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Looks like they might want to upgrade their aircraft with detection systems, flares, and thrust vectoring if they want to fly over Eastern Europe anymore.
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Looks like they might want to upgrade their aircraft with detection systems, flares, and thrust vectoring if they want to fly over Eastern Europe anymore.

And maybe even more redundancy in tracking systems, for those southern hemisphere jaunts.
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Can confirm, the airline is great. EASILY the best option in and out of KL.
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The bodies are rotting in a train car.

Doesn't the world have some investigative body that can force it's way onto this crash site. Seems odd that the Joe Schmo rebels, after shooting down this plane are still in charge of the recovery and investigation.
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The bodies are rotting in a train car.

Doesn't the world have some investigative body that can force it's way onto this crash site. Seems odd that the Joe Schmo rebels, after shooting down this plane are still in charge of the recovery and investigation.
People are trying to but any action involving force is risking a way bigger war so people are careful. Russia being the only ones who could easily take action but they won't since they're trying to claim it's a conspiracy of sorts and Kiev shot down the plane so they're giving the rebels all the time they need to clear out any evidence.
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The bodies are rotting in a train car.

Doesn't the world have some investigative body that can force it's way onto this crash site. Seems odd that the Joe Schmo rebels, after shooting down this plane are still in charge of the recovery and investigation.


The bodies are in refrigerated train cars and the Dutch representative said the pro Russian Rebels....er Ukrainian Recovery team did a **** of a job.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/dutch-expert-says-ukraine-body-recovery-team-did-131202481--finance.html

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Peter van Vliet, leader of a 3-man team of Dutch body identification experts, the first international investigators to visit the crash area, said his priority would be getting hundreds of bodies now stored in refrigerated rail cars to a location where they can be identified and sent home.Despite reports that some of the bodies may have been looted and were never properly secured during days lying out in summer sun, van Vliet expressed admiration for the recovery crews that gathered them.
"I'm very impressed about the work that was done over here," he said after inspecting the main crash site, where bodies were still being found a day earlier pinned under chunks of aircraft wreckage.
Citing the heat and the scale of the site, he said: "I think they did a **** of a job in a **** of a place."






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The bodies are rotting in a train car.

Doesn't the world have some investigative body that can force it's way onto this crash site. Seems odd that the Joe Schmo rebels, after shooting down this plane are still in charge of the recovery and investigation.


The bodies are in refrigerated train cars and the Dutch representative said the pro Russian Rebels....er Ukrainian Recovery team did a **** of a job.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/dutch-expert-says-ukraine-body-recovery-team-did-131202481--finance.html

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Despite reports that some of the bodies may have been looted and were never properly secured during days lying out in summer sun, van Vliet expressed admiration for the recovery crews that gathered them.
"I'm very impressed about the work that was done over here," he said after inspecting the main crash site, where bodies were still being found a day earlier pinned under chunks of aircraft wreckage.
Citing the heat and the scale of the site, he said: "I think they did a **** of a job in a **** of a place."


The refrigerated train car lost power. Smiley: um
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Eww, well that's a pleasant thought.
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