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#1 Jun 11 2014 at 7:14 AM Rating: Good
The #2 most powerful Republican in the House has been nuked.

Some say it was Dem crossover. Others are saying it was Cantor's support for immigration reform (his opponent wants to lock down the country and shoot anyone not born here or something.)

Either way, this was an earthquake in the House. Suddenly they have to find a new majority leader -assuming they win next fall (they probably will though.)

Edited, Jun 11th 2014 9:14am by Catwho
#2 Jun 11 2014 at 7:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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There's a change somewhere between zero and negative one that the Democrats will take the House.

I didn't bother following the results to the end but last I heard, Cantor's opponent was up by ten points. That's not a handful of mischievous Democrats voting in the GOP primary. And the district is solid red (R+15 in 2012) so "handful of Democrats" is what you could realistically get to bother with it.
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#3 Jun 11 2014 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
Yeah, the Dems will be lucky to hang onto the Senate by a fingernail The House is probably a lost cause until 2016.

Someone filmed the "Eric Cantor victory celebration" - they were there to film an immigration protest, but managed to catch his entire ad-libbed concession speech on camera.
Apparently it was a full catered buffet with an open bar, too. Campaign donations in action!
#4 Jun 11 2014 at 7:25 AM Rating: Default
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That would be a dirty trick to pull.

Edited, Jun 11th 2014 3:26pm by Almalieque
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I've also heard that Cantor's 'acceptance' of the ACA hurt him. The district is wildly conservative - so meh.

I'd like to think that this could provide for a hope of a chance for a more progressive rep, but not likely.
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I've also heard that Cantor's 'acceptance' of the ACA hurt him. The district is wildly conservative - so meh.

I'd like to think that this could provide for a hope of a chance for a more progressive rep, but not likely.

I would think the opposite. If a highly ranked Republican lost a primary because of liberal stances on certain topics, I don't see how the same public would support a progressive person in his place.
#7 Jun 11 2014 at 7:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd have preferred Cantor simply because I find Tea Party conservatives to be one of the biggest issues with the party, and generally with everything wrong in the world.
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#8 Jun 11 2014 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good
It's all about the money. Cantor could count on a generous donation from national PACS and the RNC. Some no name schmuck doesn't get those cash cows.

Dems sharks are smelling blood in the water and have already started donating to the D opponent in the race.

Edited, Jun 11th 2014 9:34am by Catwho
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Catwho wrote:
Yeah, the Dems will be lucky to hang onto the Senate by a fingernail The House is probably a lost cause until 2016

2022, probably. The GOP did a good job of redistricting and it'll take another census to undo that.
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That would be a dirty trick to pull.

Cross-party voting in the primary?
Elinda wrote:
I'd like to think that this could provide for a hope of a chance for a more progressive rep, but not likely.

Again, the district went to Romney by something like 15 points in 2012. We can try to imagine a dream scenario where Cantor runs a write-in campaign and splits the vote enough for the Democratic candidate to win with 36% or something but it's not going to happen.
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I'd have preferred Cantor simply because I find Tea Party conservatives to be one of the biggest issues with the party, and generally with everything wrong in the world.

Somewhat agreed. The biggest part of this was how Cantor looked like a big up and comer in the party (well, he was already 'big' as Majority Leader). A lot of people figured he'd go for Speaker of the House once Boehner was finished and then set his eye on the presidency or somesuch. Of course, he's young and not dead yet so even if he sits this one out with no write-in campaign, he can still run next cycle, run for governor in another six years or whatever.
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#11 Jun 11 2014 at 8:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well that's pretty definitive given your track record, guess the senate will stay democrat for a little longer.
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People are sick of Obama
You have no idea how politics work.
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#14 Jun 11 2014 at 8:20 AM Rating: Good
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But what specifically about the goals of the tea party do you really find so offensive?
People who behave like you pretend to be.
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Massive voter fraud on levels this nation has never seen is why Obama is office.
ITT: Republican voter fraud couldn't get Romney in the office.
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#17 Jun 11 2014 at 8:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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There's a zero to negative chance the Democrats hold the senate.

Nah, more like 50/50. Even if they lose it, they'll retake it in 2016 anyway when all the 2010 GOP winners in purple/blue states come up for re-election.
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You can get away with on one national election but it's much more difficult on a local level.

Wait. You think it's easier to cheat a national election than a local election?

How exactly do you think national elections are administered?
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How exactly do you think national elections are administered?
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Precinct level examination of the votes scuttled the ideas that cross-over Democratic votes were to blame. Much of Brat's support came from the most Romney-supporting precincts.
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zamwiki wrote:
You can get away with on one national election but it's much more difficult on a local level.

Wait. You think it's easier to cheat a national election than a local election?

How exactly do you think national elections are administered?

We all immigrate to Virginia, then take a day trip to DC to vote.
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But what specifically about the goals of the tea party do you really find so offensive?
Why their stated goals? Why not their methods?

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In a broad sense, the main goal of the Tea Party movement is to change the institution of the federal government to the effect that American’s freedoms are restored to the ideals of the founding fathers. These ideas include:

Low taxes
Dramatically smaller government with a much reduced role
Substantially less central government (Washington) and a preference for states rights
More individual freedom
Free market prosperity

This is accomplished in a number of ways:

American citizens must decide to elect out corrupt officials and replace them with individuals who value the input of the average citizen.
The government that governs best is one that governs least, and elected leaders must be made to understand that.
Those officials who remain in office should know that they will not remain if they vote against the will of the people.

Another objective of the Tea Parties is to educate Americans who don’t understand the price that’s been paid for freedom, and to mobilize them into civic action.


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What in the world does that have to do with the tea party? If anything the Democrats have created a slave mentality among minorities. Basically that they can't make it so don't try and the government will take care of you.
Why can't they make it?
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zamwiki wrote:
What in the world does that have to do with the tea party?
Well, for one you'd have to probably understand what you're reading.
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#26 Jun 11 2014 at 9:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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What in the world does that have to do with the tea party? If anything the Democrats have created a slave mentality among minorities. Basically that they can't make it so don't try and the government will take care of you.
It's called an analogy.

The stated goals of the democratic party are largely non-offensive as well, as are those of most political parties. People more commonly object to actions, not intentions.
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