Kelvyquayo wrote:
DSD wrote:
Xavier is 12, a self proclaimed atheist, and loves reading anything about Slenderman. He even dressed up as him for Halloween last year. He thinks these girls are sick people and he's disgusted and horrified by their actions. So unless you hear about my son killing someone, Kelvy's points are invalid. Bad trip, dude? Might want to get a higher quality of shrooms next time.
You did keep popping into my mind in this. Especially since I still have your hubby's horror music CD and and quite aware of the parallels. It made me wonder just how much different or the same your households are.. obviously with the very stark knowledge that I have of either.. But I honestly thought about your kids and said to myself.. I DON'T believe at all that any kids raised by you would ever be capable of such a thing and then I asked myself WHY I thought that based on what I now know about God and Christ. Obviously I'm not saying that this is going to be a rule for everything and everybody.. but I'm mainly talking about the trend.
DSD, from what I know(remember) about you: you are one of those people that seem to radiate joy. I do not believe that the only possible form of positive energy has to be channeled from Yahweh or something. What I do believe is that each person carries the spirit of life which radiates differently for everybody. When this energy is channeled properly it can have very positive results... but I have to say that without the help of God that positive energy will one day fizzle out like a flame on a candle. Only with God does it last forever.
Back on track:
My position is that that morality that you have instilled in your kids that resided in you was instilled in you or your family somewhere down the line because of Christianity. You may find this insulting but it is what I believe... at some point as we abandon that Spirit that is trying to work on us eventually that chain will be broken somewhere down the line and the people are left having only themselves to turn to and they will fail.
To paraphrase somebody: There is a God shaped void in all of us.. and it cannot be quenched by anything but God.
Yet we try and we try.. but I don't know who is worse off.. the ones that cannot fill the void or the ones that fill it with
lies false hope and think that they are satisfied...
Edited, Jun 5th 2014 10:01pm by Kelvyquayo
-Albert Einstein Kelvy, what I remember from you was a warm and peaceful man who was his own light. And while I really do appreciate your kind words about myself, you’re right, I do find your insinuations insulting. Because you are stating that who I am is not because of me and my choices on how to reflect on life. It takes away responsibility for both good and bad. And you can’t have it both ways. By saying without god in your life you have a higher probability of doing something bad, like killing someone (simplified here) you can’t then ignore, or make up excuses for those who do not believe yet instill the same sense of morality you are saying comes from a higher being.
Once upon a time I was a Christian. My mother was not (nor my father) but my mom took me to church when I was curious. I went to church for years, joining choir, bible camps, plays. I was baptized and very active. But after many years of watching the utter hypocrisy of “morality†and questioning without answers, I left the church. What I saw at church honestly disgusted my own sense of morality and ethics. What the church was teaching and what I felt was moral did not mix. As for my husband, Sick has always been atheist. His family has never been religious.
If I learned anything in my life from being religious and then not, it is that I do not need to be afraid for my “afterlife†in order to be a good person and to be in utter awe of this world, this life. In fact I am more in awe and alive without that weight of ‘am I good enough to be one of the few to go to heavenâ€. I am a good person. My children are learning what that means without the fear of Satan or God. There is no fear, only joy, as we watch the stars, catch fireflys, and stare in wonder as we watch the bluebirds build a nest in our yard, discussing the cycle of life.
So yes, it is insulting to hear that I am not responsible for my decisions in being a good person. I take responsibility for my actions, both good and bad. If you are happy to have found something that gives your life more meaning I am happy for you. But please, do not turn into the close minded, judgmental religious people that made it so much easier to turn away from religion. Because it is those type of people who truly lack morals when they turn a blind eye and condemn others simply for not believing as they do
