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#1 May 30 2014 at 9:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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A private-sector program set up to deter online copyright infringement has issued more than 1.3 million alerts to consumers in its first 10 months.

The Center for Copyright Information — which administers the Copyright Alert System and was created by various Internet service providers, the The Recording Industry Association of America and the Motion Picture Association of America — issued a report with those numbers today.

Under the program also known as “six strikes,” content owners deploy third parties to scan peer-to-peer networks, which send copyright infringement notices to Internet service providers, which then send alerts to consumers. If notices continue, Internet service providers can take actions like slowing down Internet speed or redirecting to a “landing page” pending further action by the account holder.

The progress report released Wednesday shows that more than 2 million notices were sent to Internet service providers and that more than 1.3 million alerts were sent to 722,820 accounts.

I'd largely forgotten about that. Once in a while I'd wonder if it ever took effect as it was planned and if anyone was getting served but mainly I just heard nothing about it since its 'launch'. Anyone have any first (or second)-hand experience with this?

I'm aware that you can just use a proxy but I suppose the goal is to shave down the number of casual users who treat Pirate Bay like a store and who have zero idea what a proxy is nor any inclination to learn. They get dinged once and just change their habits now that the free candy bowl is gone.

Edited, May 30th 2014 2:39pm by Jophiel
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#2 May 30 2014 at 9:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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I hadn't heard anything about it.

Though now I like to think all the Zam Spam about movies is really just inept fishers trying to meet a quota.

Edited, May 30th 2014 11:37am by lolgaxe
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#3 May 30 2014 at 9:51 AM Rating: Good
We just went back to IRC after all the P2P ******** started.
#4 May 30 2014 at 9:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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I vaguely remember the Six Strikes stuff but I haven't really paid attention. I don't pirate, so I didn't feel like I had to care.

If they can put a drag on piracy without imposing draconian DRM ********* then I'm okay with it, I guess.
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#5 May 30 2014 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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Are the six strikes allowed to the service-provider or the pirating account holder?

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We just went back to IRC after all the P2P bullsh*t started.
huh?
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#6 May 30 2014 at 10:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Remeber that "Six Strike" ISP copyright warning thing?
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Are the six strikes allowed to the service-provider or the pirating account holder?

The consumer subscriber. It's supposedly a way for the industry to police itself, sort of like the MPAA or the old Comics Code. Some third party looks for people being naughty and tells the ISP. The ISP then gives you a warning. Further warnings come with more consequences such as lowered connection speeds or a click through warning page whenever you get on the web. Ultimately, after six strikes your account is terminated.

I don't know how willing the ISP will be to terminate accounts (especially if they're tied to lucrative cable/phone subscriptions) but I imagine that by doing this, the ISP is trying to remove itself from culpability is the RIAA goes lawsuit happy.

Edit: Catwho is saying that they went back to file trading via Internet Relay Chat (old chat client) which presumably isn't monitored the same way Peer-To-Peer networks are.

Edited, May 30th 2014 11:30am by Jophiel
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#8 May 30 2014 at 10:40 AM Rating: Good
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Are the six strikes allowed to the service-provider or the pirating account holder?

Catwho wrote:
We just went back to IRC after all the P2P bullsh*t started.
huh?


The bots mostly monitor bit torrents and newer public streaming/storage places like Mega Upload. And the Six Strikes primarily applies if you are re-uploading/re-distributing the content. They don't bother monitoring the people who download from password protected private IRC channels quite as much. (I think they might still go after the sharers in public IRC places, maybe.)

Evidence? No one in the IRC channel we download from has gotten any of these Six Strike messages. That's all I've got. I may be wrong.
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Can you even farm the same information as a third party via IRC or Mega-Whatever? Comcast and Warner Cable isn't doing the monitoring but rather the RIAA pays some third party to monitor traffic and then alert the ISP when they see some hinky behavior. With Bittorrents you can see who is a seed/peer for a file (assuming they aren't using a proxy) but I don't know if you can do the same over IRC or for a website you have no affiliation with.
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Edit: Catwho is saying that they went back to file trading via Internet Relay Chat (old chat client) which presumably isn't monitored the same way Peer-To-Peer networks are.

I was good on IRC, but hadn't heard of P2P and was foggy on the inference. Doesn't everyone Skype now?

I'm a thief: I've pirated a few e-books in my day. I've never received notice of my internet transgressions. At least from anyone official. I have gotten some hate mail for being mean. Smiley: grin



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P2P these days usually means torrents. Used to include stuff like Napster and Limewire but those have largely gone away under lawsuits.

Edited, May 30th 2014 11:52am by Jophiel
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I got a notice from Verizon once for downloading the Sopranos. Though, I'm sure it was that the torrents were being seeded rather than the fact that I downloaded it. I've pirated other things, but I actually do own the Sopranos on DVD. I was going on a trip and wanted it on my laptop. Smiley: lol

I'd like to run numbers on my own habits. There have been plenty of shows, games, albums, and books that I've downloaded and gone on to buy after pirating them. Not that I'm saying it justifies anything, but I'm fairly certain that there are a good number of products I've spent money on that I otherwise wouldn't have if I didn't try it out first.
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The place where I work has gotten a number of warnings, since we have free wireless internet for the guests. We're not really sure there's anything we can really do about it, to be honest.
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The place where I work has gotten a number of warnings, since we have free wireless internet for the guests. We're not really sure there's anything we can really do about it, to be honest.

Kill ten random guests per warning. The Roman way.
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Jophiel wrote:

Anyone have any first (or second)-hand experience with this?

I'm aware that you can just use a proxy but I suppose the goal is to shave down the number of casual users who treat Pirate Bay like a store and who have zero idea what a proxy is nor any inclination to learn. They get dinged once and just change their habits now that the free candy bowl is gone.

Edited, May 30th 2014 2:39pm by Jophiel


I made a thread a long time ago after my small-time ISP in Texas sent us a warning for pirating copyright material.

I forget who said this, but I remember it word for word and it has worked like a charm and we've had no problems since:

Someone wrote:


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My piracy days are long over. I may do the occasional tidbit here and there, and may still hit up the older stuff not sold anymore on emulators, but I'm in a stable, well earning job (well, if you go by some people here, I'm poor as ****, if you doubled my base salary I wouldn't break 6 figures...) and enjoy the paid digital distribution services for movies and video games.
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Gladiatorial combat to the death, feed the last man standing and those unfit to fight to the lions.
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Oh, use lions.
Terribly inefficient if they have cars. Just sayin'.
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lolgaxe wrote:
Oh, use lions.
Terribly inefficient if they have cars. Just sayin'.



And we know they have cars. Jesus said they were of one Accord.
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Samira wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Oh, use lions.
Terribly inefficient if they have cars. Just sayin'.
And we know they have cars. Jesus said they were of one Accord.
Is this cross-thread shenanigans? Because this look suspiciously like cross-thread shenanigans.















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Samira wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
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Terribly inefficient if they have cars. Just sayin'.



And we know they have cars. Jesus said they were of one Accord.
I'm going to get my spleen x-rayed, and if this groan you just induced caused any damage, I'm feeding you to the lions.

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https://torrentfreak.com/ip-address-not-person-140324/

Didn't this case pretty much toss out that rule?

Also Peerblock has prevented any mishaps for a good long while.


Btw yes I understand this is more to stop copyright trolls, but one could argue with this case you could go to your provider and have them drop the strikes.

Edited, May 31st 2014 4:55am by BeanX
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It's a private rule, not a law and the courts aren't involved in its enforcement. ISPs aren't obligated to offer you their service and if they want to cancel your service because of six imagined wrongs, it's in their discretion to do so.
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I hardly do anything these days. When I did, peerblock worked well.

I miss the days of *some service*. They had a selection of old, somewhat difficult to get otherwise things.

Incidentally, did anyone notice truecrypt has been, well, rendered useless last week?
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