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Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Torrence wrote:
Wait, who is telling David and Barbara Green they can't practice their religion?
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Smasharoo wrote:
Nope; he's a slavishy devoted minion of Ayn Rand.
Don't be silly, he hasn't read Rand. You need to think of what an 11 year old may have read that would be similar.
Don't be silly, he hasn't read Rand. You need to think of what an 11 year old may have read that would be similar.
Is there a Goosebumps novel about the free market?
Edited, Mar 28th 2014 8:49am by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
One Buck, Two Buck, Red Buck, Blue Buck.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Encylopedia Brown & The Case of the Labor Thieves
"Communist Karl's treatise on abusive labor conditions mentions seeing monkeys in the Congo digging for diamonds with pickaxes held by their tails. But Old World monkeys don't have prehensile tails -- only New World monkeys do. So Communist Karl must have been lying!"
Edited, Mar 28th 2014 9:17am by Jophiel
"Communist Karl's treatise on abusive labor conditions mentions seeing monkeys in the Congo digging for diamonds with pickaxes held by their tails. But Old World monkeys don't have prehensile tails -- only New World monkeys do. So Communist Karl must have been lying!"
Edited, Mar 28th 2014 9:17am by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I find the coffee argument odd. We do set a standard for minimum requirements for food all the time. We also set a standard for minimum requirements for vehicles, I think I saw car choice as an option as well.
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True that. In the above scenario (which is still dumb, of course), McD's coffee would be the "bronze plan" and Starbucks the "Gold plan" or whatever. But selling cups of boiling water with a black crayon stirred into it and marketed as "coffee" would no longer be acceptable. As it shouldn't be.
But coffee preference is subjective and someone could argue that McD's or Starbucks are 'all the same' whereas you can quantify exactly how Insurance Plan A differs from Insurance Plan B. So someone saying "But I like McD's coffee" isn't really relevant in making the comparison.
Anywho, ACA signups broke six million a couple days ago, hitting the CBO's projection of where they should be by the March 31 deadline. There's also an unspecified number of people -- including a lot of younger people -- who have signed up for insurance outside the exchanges and thus aren't counted. The National Journal says that "it could represent millions of people" but since the insurance companies aren't required to or enthusiastic about divulging this information, no one knows for sure.
Edited, Mar 28th 2014 9:49am by Jophiel
But coffee preference is subjective and someone could argue that McD's or Starbucks are 'all the same' whereas you can quantify exactly how Insurance Plan A differs from Insurance Plan B. So someone saying "But I like McD's coffee" isn't really relevant in making the comparison.
Anywho, ACA signups broke six million a couple days ago, hitting the CBO's projection of where they should be by the March 31 deadline. There's also an unspecified number of people -- including a lot of younger people -- who have signed up for insurance outside the exchanges and thus aren't counted. The National Journal says that "it could represent millions of people" but since the insurance companies aren't required to or enthusiastic about divulging this information, no one knows for sure.
National Journal wrote:
People who enroll outside of the exchanges are simply using a different means to buy what are often the same ACA-compliant plans available inside the exchanges. They are part of the same risk pools and have the same impact on premiums.
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The number of people who have actually taken that approach remains a mystery, but anecdotal reports suggest it could be significant.
In Washington state—one of the only states to release this information—more people have signed up outside the exchange than inside of it. The state insurance commissioner's office says 183,618 people had enrolled in private plans outside of the exchange as of the end of February, compared with 125,000 paid enrollments the state exchange is reporting as of March 23.
[...]
Highmark said that as of mid-February, about one-third of the over 110,000 people who bought ACA-compliant plans enrolled directly with the company. The insurer offers plans in Delaware, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia.
[...]
Information released by eHealth—an online broker that predates the health care law—indicates that the coveted young-adult demographic is signing up outside of the exchanges. About 45 percent of people applying for ACA-compliant plans through eHealth are between 18 and 34, the company said—compared with roughly 25 percent in the exchanges.
[...]
The number of people who have actually taken that approach remains a mystery, but anecdotal reports suggest it could be significant.
In Washington state—one of the only states to release this information—more people have signed up outside the exchange than inside of it. The state insurance commissioner's office says 183,618 people had enrolled in private plans outside of the exchange as of the end of February, compared with 125,000 paid enrollments the state exchange is reporting as of March 23.
[...]
Highmark said that as of mid-February, about one-third of the over 110,000 people who bought ACA-compliant plans enrolled directly with the company. The insurer offers plans in Delaware, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia.
[...]
Information released by eHealth—an online broker that predates the health care law—indicates that the coveted young-adult demographic is signing up outside of the exchanges. About 45 percent of people applying for ACA-compliant plans through eHealth are between 18 and 34, the company said—compared with roughly 25 percent in the exchanges.
Edited, Mar 28th 2014 9:49am by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
But selling cups of boiling water with a black crayon stirred into it and marketed as "coffee" would no longer be acceptable. As it shouldn't be.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Meanwhile, we've set up a situation where you're FORCED to get a cup of coffee. You don't get to choose whether or not paying for an employee coffee is something you want to do...
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
idiggory the Fussy wrote:
Meanwhile, we've set up a situation where you're FORCED to get a cup of coffee. You don't get to choose whether or not paying for an employee coffee is something you want to do...
Well, we've set up a system where you're forced to get insured/offer insurance/etc. Which strikes me as a bit more important for the common good than coffee.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Which strikes me as a bit more important for the common good than coffee.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Maybe we can add coffee to the mandatory health plans. I mean, unless the caffeine-adverse Amish and Muslims (or Amish Muslims?) object on religious grounds.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
The Keurig lobbyists got to you didn't they?
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
I just mean that the state of being an employer is a fully voluntary one, so it's stupid to be starting from an analogy where you're FORCED into being one.
If your religious beliefs restrict you from touching dead pigs because they are unclean, then you obviously aren't going to be working as a chef in a barbecue restaurant. Your religious beliefs aren't being violated, it's just a profession that is incompatible with your religion.
Things of that nature are only religious persecution when the barriers are specific to the religion, not specific to the item that the religion takes issue with.
No Jews in the kitchen vs. chefs must cook pork. Or something.
If your religious beliefs restrict you from touching dead pigs because they are unclean, then you obviously aren't going to be working as a chef in a barbecue restaurant. Your religious beliefs aren't being violated, it's just a profession that is incompatible with your religion.
Things of that nature are only religious persecution when the barriers are specific to the religion, not specific to the item that the religion takes issue with.
No Jews in the kitchen vs. chefs must cook pork. Or something.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
idiggory the Fussy wrote:
If your religious beliefs restrict you from touching dead pigs because they are unclean, then you obviously aren't going to be working as a chef in a barbecue restaurant. Your religious beliefs aren't being violated, it's just a profession that is incompatible with your religion.
You would think that but then Walgreens was sued by pharmacists who said they shouldn't have to do their job and distribute Plan B contraceptives since it wasn't compatible with their religious beliefs.
Walgreens eventually settled out of court by agreeing to let said pharmacists call another employee to do the actual monetary transaction, sort of like when the teenager has to call their manager to sell you beer.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Walgreens probably would have won the suit, but it wasn't particularly awesome PR.
There's a similar case about a county clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples in NY, and I'm pretty sure the court upheld that the state was right to terminate her.
Religious exemptions in laws pretty much always involve it not putting undue hardship on the business to accommodate.
I'm guessing Walgreens DID say that they'd have to ring up the item if no one else was available?
There's a similar case about a county clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples in NY, and I'm pretty sure the court upheld that the state was right to terminate her.
Religious exemptions in laws pretty much always involve it not putting undue hardship on the business to accommodate.
I'm guessing Walgreens DID say that they'd have to ring up the item if no one else was available?
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
idiggory the Fussy wrote:
Meanwhile, we've set up a situation where you're FORCED to get a cup of coffee. You don't get to choose whether or not paying for an employee coffee is something you want to do...
There's a reason for this, and that reason is the uninsured people cost us too much money. Hospitals can't turn someone away who walks in with an emergency whether they are insured or not, and if that person isn't, there's really no hope that the hospital will ever get compensated even partially for the treatment they provide. The costs are absorbed by everyone else, which isn't particularly fair, either.
So yes, the government is essentially forcing irresponsible people to be responsible.
But those people can always just pay the penalty, wrap their cars around trees and continue to demand free treatment for their injuries.
No, people aren't being irresponsible by not buying medical insurance. Pre-ACA, do you know how much medical insurance cost if you had to buy it on your own?
It wasn't remotely affordable by even the true middle-class let alone those living near minimum wage or less. The cost of the actual medical services were even more out of control.
Uninsured people cost us money because medical costs are exorbitant, and they're arbitrarily higher for the uninsured. Uninsured people will do everything in their power to not accrue medical bills - because those bills will bankrupt them.
The government created a means to get enough people into the system so they could start controlling the pricing.
It wasn't remotely affordable by even the true middle-class let alone those living near minimum wage or less. The cost of the actual medical services were even more out of control.
Uninsured people cost us money because medical costs are exorbitant, and they're arbitrarily higher for the uninsured. Uninsured people will do everything in their power to not accrue medical bills - because those bills will bankrupt them.
The government created a means to get enough people into the system so they could start controlling the pricing.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Torrence wrote:
But those people can always just pay the penalty, wrap their cars around trees and continue to demand free treatment for their injuries.
Negotiating your way out of a hospital bill isn't something that's easily done just because you don't have insurance. Usually those people end up learning the hard way why they should have had it in the first place. Which, by the way, is probably another argument for saving people from their own stupidity. Assuming we think the government is allowed to do that, of course.
Also completely relevant, the "bronze plan" is free for 2 weeks.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
Negotiating your way out of a hospital bill isn't something that's easily done just because you don't have insurance
Nah, it is. I mean, not if you have assets, but if you have assets you also almost certainly have insurance. It's really difficult to collect medical debts for the providers. By and large the non paying population aren't people who are much worried about liens against property or credit ratings.
Nah, it is. I mean, not if you have assets, but if you have assets you also almost certainly have insurance. It's really difficult to collect medical debts for the providers. By and large the non paying population aren't people who are much worried about liens against property or credit ratings.
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Smasharoo wrote:
Nah, it is. I mean, not if you have assets, but if you have assets you also almost certainly have insurance.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
idiggory the Fussy wrote:
I'm guessing Walgreens DID say that they'd have to ring up the item if no one else was available?
I didn't any depth of detail on it but I'm guessing store policy isn't to leave Walgreen's unmanned except for one lone pharmacist in the corner guarding the Vicodin and pseudoephedrine from marauders. Worst case scenario is you wait for the girl from the film counter to make her way over.
And, yeah, the film counter was still manned the last time I was in a Walgreens. Surprised me too.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Both the local hospitals have a separate off-site billing off, so if you have to negotiate your bill or want to dispute it or need help appealing your insurance, you don't have to deal with the giant hospital or the giant hospital parking lot. The billing departments are in strip malls.
Jophiel wrote:
idiggory the Fussy wrote:
I'm guessing Walgreens DID say that they'd have to ring up the item if no one else was available?
I didn't any depth of detail on it but I'm guessing store policy isn't to leave Walgreen's unmanned except for one lone pharmacist in the corner guarding the Vicodin and pseudoephedrine from marauders. Worst case scenario is you wait for the girl from the film counter to make her way over.
And, yeah, the film counter was still manned the last time I was in a Walgreens. Surprised me too.
The CVS near me has definitely only had 2 or 3 people working in it at a time, before, so it strikes me as possible that all the employees would have a religious opposition to the sale in certain areas of the US.
At the very least, I can't see CVS settling without making a contingency for that situation that ensured their customers got the product they wanted, just in case.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
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