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#52 Mar 06 2014 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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It's not "ok". It's just not "illegal". You can hold both of those ideas in your head at the same time, can't you? I don't like people taking picutres of my bald spot, but that probably shouldn't be illegal. It probably shouldn't be illegal even if I normally wear a hat and take it off for the pledge of aligence or whatever. I don't think it's "ok" to burn an American Flag because you're sad that gays can get married. That doesn't mean it should be illegal.

Contrary to what you've been told, the purpose of legislation isn't to enforce and inflict your personal fears and hang ups on the rest of the world. THERE ARE NO DAMAGES WHEN SOMEONE TAKES A PHOTO OF A FULLY CLOTHED PERSON IN PUBLIC. That's the point. It's not "ok" for paparazzi to expose famous cheating spouses. There are millions of things that aren't "ok" that we allow to be legal to avoid harm. Once this is illegal, then obviously "attempting" it will be made illegal. So to protect your @#%^ing precious magic underpants, some poor sod is going to end up in prison because someone thinks he tried to take a picture of something.

It's not worth it. Not remotely.


Of course I understand that. However, we're not talking about taking a picture of a "fully clothed person." We're talking about taking a picture up someone's skirt. There's a difference there, and I don't see how peeping at someone in a restroom or a changing room is all that different. People go into closed stalls to disrobe for a reason, just like someone puts clothing over certain parts of their body for a reason. An invasion of privacy IS damaging, in my opinion.

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You have an expectation of privacy when in the restroom, whether it's the one in your house or a port-a-john in the middle of the desert.


I have an expectation of privacy under my skirt, as well.
#53 Mar 06 2014 at 3:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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An invasion of privacy IS damaging, in my opinion.
How is this damaging? What are the damages?
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#54 Mar 06 2014 at 4:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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An invasion of privacy IS damaging, in my opinion.
How is this damaging? What are the damages?


Mental distress...? What are the damage if a stranger insists on watching you take a **** in a public restroom? What are the damages of someone being a peeping tom? What are the damages of having a peep hole in a hotel room and spying on people?

Illegal invasion of privacy is already a thing.
#55 Mar 06 2014 at 4:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
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An invasion of privacy IS damaging, in my opinion.
How is this damaging? What are the damages?


Psychological damage. It could be distressing for some women to have their up-skirted undies posted online for strange men to whack off to, especially if they somehow become identified.
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#56 Mar 06 2014 at 4:15 PM Rating: Excellent
Are you confusing Psychological damage with feeling uncomfortable? Because it's not the same thing. We don't criminalize causing mental distress. Remember, this is about an action that would result in Jail time.

Edited, Mar 6th 2014 4:17pm by Xsarus
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#57 Mar 06 2014 at 4:16 PM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I have an expectation of privacy under my skirt, as well.
Which only means no one can physically go into your skirt to take pictures or install cameras.
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#58 Mar 06 2014 at 4:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Different people have different thresholds. What makes someone uncomfortable may cause another to break down. It seems pretty easy to see how something like this has the potential to cause harm, even if it doesn't every time.
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#59 Mar 06 2014 at 4:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
Are you confusing Psychological damage with feeling uncomfortable?


No, I'm not.

Sir Xsarus wrote:
Because it's not the same thing. We don't criminalize causing mental distress.


We do criminalize invasion of privacy, however. And award damages from mental distress. Since you asked about damages, that was my answer.

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Which only means no one can physically go into your skirt to take pictures or install cameras.


"Into?" As in, between my legs and under my skirt...?

Edited, Mar 6th 2014 4:20pm by Belkira
#60 Mar 06 2014 at 4:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Different people have different thresholds. What makes someone uncomfortable may cause another to break down. It seems pretty easy to see how something like this has the potential to cause harm, even if it doesn't every time.

Winter + someone being rude can cause someone to break down, we don't talk about criminalizing rudeness.
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#61 Mar 06 2014 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
Are you confusing Psychological damage with feeling uncomfortable? Because it's not the same thing. We don't criminalize causing mental distress. Remember, this is about an action that would result in Jail time.


Going back to religious stuff, what if the woman's boyfriend/husband divorces her because she's been "violated"? Or, more likely, starts stalking subways to punch photographers? ****-shaming is well and alive in our country, even when the women in question was not actually being slutty.

I think the solution for this isn't for us to abandon skirts. We just need bloomers to make a comeback. Smiley: nod
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#62 Mar 06 2014 at 4:26 PM Rating: Good
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Going back to religious stuff, what if the woman's boyfriend/husband divorces her because she's been "violated"? Or, more likely, starts stalking subways to punch photographers? ****-shaming is well and alive in our country, even when the women in question was not actually being slutty.


It also put me in mind of the golfer who killed herself after being outed for being a MTF. I know there was more going on there, but that could easily happen here, as well.
#63 Mar 06 2014 at 4:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Different people have different thresholds. What makes someone uncomfortable may cause another to break down. It seems pretty easy to see how something like this has the potential to cause harm, even if it doesn't every time.

Winter + someone being rude can cause someone to break down, we don't talk about criminalizing rudeness.
I dunno, loud or disruptive behavior in public commonly can earn you a fine or what not if it's egregious enough. Seems like you could apply something similar here at the very minimum.

Edited, Mar 6th 2014 2:37pm by someproteinguy
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#64 Mar 06 2014 at 4:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
"Into?" As in, between my legs and under my skirt...?]
No, "physically" is the key word.
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#65 Mar 06 2014 at 4:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Illegal invasion of privacy is already a thing.

If it's about privacy, than it should be any photograph. A law I'm fine with, incidentally. What's the "special" part about your skirt that makes it subject to literally locking someone up in jail for invading it's privacy, but not my bald spot, or someone's birthmark, or a fat person disliking a photo being taken at all, or someone who thinks a camera steals their ******* soul?

Oh right, ***. The magic tipping point is that Creepy Bill is going to ********** later. So we're going to make a *special* law to make your clothed pubic area so private it leads to jail time if someone photos it, but you know, two layers of clothes, that's all good fun to take a picture.

Do you really not get it? I realize it's hard to get past the 9 year old "but this could actually happen to ME and I DONT LIKE IT" part of it, but seriously.

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#66 Mar 06 2014 at 4:39 PM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
"Into?" As in, between my legs and under my skirt...?]
No, "physically" is the key word.


I disagree. When someone is thrusting their cell phone between my legs to take a picture of my (hopefully panty-clad) ****** without my consent, they are invading my privacy. I am actually incredibly surprised this is being disputed.
#67 Mar 06 2014 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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Smasharoo wrote:
Illegal invasion of privacy is already a thing.

If it's about privacy, than it should be any photograph. A law I'm fine with, incidentally. What's the "special" part about your skirt that makes it subject to literally locking someone up in jail for invading it's privacy, but not my bald spot, or someone's birthmark, or a fat person disliking a photo being taken at all, or someone who thinks a camera steals their @#%^ing soul?

Oh right, ***. The magic tipping point is that Creepy Bill is going to ********** later. So we're going to make a *special* law to make your clothed pubic area so private it leads to jail time if someone photos it, but you know, two layers of clothes, that's all good fun to take a picture.

Do you really not get it? I realize it's hard to get past the 9 year old "but this could actually happen to ME and I DONT LIKE IT" part of it, but seriously.



I don't care if they're going to ********** to it or not. My ****** is private. You are not allowed to look at it without my permission. And wearing a skirt does not give you permission to look at my ******. If I lift my skirt up on the subway and you snap a pic, good on you. I gave you permission by showing my ****** in public.

Invasion of privacy is not a "special" law. It's a thing. Just like being a peeping tom is against the law. I don't understand how this is any different. You can try to insult me by calling it juvenile or stupid, that's fine. You have not explained how this is not an invasion of privacy any more so than hiding in the bushes outside someone's window and watching them change, sneaking into a restroom and putting a mirror under the partition, or barging in while someone is trying on clothes at Macy's.
#68 Mar 06 2014 at 4:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I don't care if they're going to ********** to it or not. My ****** is private. You are not allowed to look at it without my permission. And wearing a skirt does not give you permission to look at my ******.
Given that most of the female public would likely agree with you, I don't see how they don't reword the law in a way that makes this illegal again, and likely promptly. A poorly worded law certainly doesn't help anyone, especially if it allows it to be applies incorrectly, but this is behavior people generally want protection from in the end.

Where there's a will there's a way or something.
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#69 Mar 06 2014 at 4:57 PM Rating: Default
Cameras should be illegal.
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
Remember, this is about an action that would result in Jail time.

Not necessarily. Could just be a fine in most instances. That said, I've put about zero effort into thinking of potential legislation.
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#71 Mar 06 2014 at 5:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I disagree.
That's fine, but again like your comparison, the right to privacy in the areas you mentioned are from within the designated area, not from outside it.
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#72 Mar 06 2014 at 5:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I disagree.
That's fine, but again like your comparison, the right to privacy in the areas you mentioned are from within the designated area, not from outside it.


Someone doesn't have to enter my house in order to invade my privacy by peering into my windows.
#73 Mar 06 2014 at 5:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Someone doesn't have to enter my house in order to invade my privacy by peering into my windows.
Taking pictures from the street isn't.
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#74 Mar 06 2014 at 5:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Someone doesn't have to enter my house in order to invade my privacy by peering into my windows.
Taking pictures from the street isn't.
I don't know about US laws so I'm not 100% certain but I'm pretty sure taking pictures looking into the house is still a violation of privacy laws.
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#75 Mar 06 2014 at 5:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Someone doesn't have to enter my house in order to invade my privacy by peering into my windows.
Taking pictures from the street isn't.


Taking pictures from outside my window is.
#76 Mar 06 2014 at 5:23 PM Rating: Default
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Someone doesn't have to enter my house in order to invade my privacy by peering into my windows.
Taking pictures from the street isn't.
I don't know about US laws so I'm not 100% certain but I'm pretty sure taking pictures looking into the house is still a violation of privacy laws.


Im sorry I was taking a picture of that tree and you just happened to walk by the window naked at the same time. Im a big fan of nature shots. Maybe next time close your curtains.
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