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#52 Mar 01 2014 at 7:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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#54 Mar 01 2014 at 7:35 PM Rating: Decent
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coup
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noun: coup; plural noun: coups; noun: coup d'état; plural noun: coups d'état; plural noun: coup d'états

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a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.

Do you see why it is relevant? It was not illegal. The government lost its mandate from the people. People replaced it.


Now go on and read some news sport. You are almost there. It shouldn't take that much effort to connect the dots from here...although I know our media buried a lot of the real news under all that "Russia's AntiGay" stuff.

Do you know why Ukraine was in the position it was in November? Go look up ultimatum. Then go read some news from last spring through early summer.

Here is a hint to get you started.
Go check out the EU's proposal for its "Agreement in Principle" Tell me if anything jumps out at you that would force the sitting government to take the Russian deal instead. Check out the position of the EU that forced the Ukraine government to abandon the deal...go do some research and come tell us what you found out.


Oh and while you are out there googling for the background news that led up to this point. Check out the Bandera ****'s, and their ties to the minority pro west bloc UDAR Party.




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#55 Mar 01 2014 at 9:59 PM Rating: Decent


Some audio for you all. (I forgot about this about a month old now)


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“I think Yats [Yatsenyuk] is the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience,” Nuland says. “What he needs is Klitsch [Klitschko] and [Oleh] Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I just think Klitsch going in, he’s going to be at that level, working for Yatsenyuk, it’s just not going to work.”

Pyatt agrees.

“Let me work on Klitschko,” he can be heard saying, “and I think we should get a Western personality to come out here (to Ukraine) and midwife this thing.”


"@#%^ the EU" pertains to the EU not going along with the US on sanction talks when the Government began to crackdown on the rioters.


For the record the US has its guys where they want them. Yats (Fatherland Party) is the PM and Klitschko (leader of UDAR) is going to be running for President in the next real election, with Tyahnybok maintaining party leadership of the Fatherland Party.






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#56 Mar 01 2014 at 11:54 PM Rating: Good
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=287_1393605865
(Russian combat helicopters have crossed the border of Ukraine and executed some mission in the Crimea. We can count a dozen of Mi-24 in the video, which is a lot of firepower.)


weeee!

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#57 Mar 02 2014 at 12:11 AM Rating: Decent
Hope they fly and land in the middle of Kiev. Lord knows that the rioters burned out enough of it to provide a landing strip.

Coups are dirty plays and Obama and Merkel should feel ashamed.

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#58 Mar 02 2014 at 12:11 AM Rating: Decent
DOUBLE!

Ill use it for this.

http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_02_28/Anonymous-operations-expose-Ukrainian-Bandera-*****-9458/

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_02_23/Anonymous-Ukraine-releases-Klitschko-e-mails-showing-treason-3581/

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#59 Mar 02 2014 at 6:37 AM Rating: Good
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You realize that faction is just a different extremist group under a 'popular' nomer, right?

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Yanukovych said during that press conference he is planning to return to Ukraine. How realistic do you think is this?
Well, I think it really depends on the person and the truth about who is now being made known internationally, which is already happening: many more articles, especially in the internet and blogs, but also some mainstream press started to report it, and I think this is absolutely kosher, and naturally it also depends on the internal situation both in the EU and in the US.


Sure, if Russia want's to openly move in and declare him leader, legitimized by Russian military force, rather than the Ukrainian people.

Yanukovych has also left a paper trail of corruption.

Did you expect the movement to overthrow Russia's puppet wouldn't be pre-planned? that it would be an organic escalation of the protests?

That's a fantasy.
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#61 Mar 02 2014 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
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#62 Mar 02 2014 at 8:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, and we've got diplo leaks.
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The sound is important.
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#64 Mar 02 2014 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
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The sound is important.


The GIF is updated to include olympic rings on the flag at the start...as for the sound ive seen that episode so many times I can hear the voices in my head!

(also I linked that month old sound clip already!)
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lolgaxe wrote:
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That green ***** with the flying monkeys and shoe fetish.


Bijou beat you to that one.
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#67 Mar 02 2014 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
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Is the argument here whether or not the EU/USA ("West") is in the wrong by attempting to gobble up sovereign governments en masse for the sake of economic domination or that Russia is in the wrong for taking any opportunity it can to expand the borders of it's influence and if so; are people supposed to take a stance and chose between these two policies?

Am I looking at this too simplistically to view this as a plain struggle between the concept of nation states and the concept of a global economic oligarchy? It seems that Americans (in general) have a somewhat unique perception of these matters. On one hand US citizens, unlike much of Europe, perceive the borders of our country themselves as providing us with the right and status to be citizens of this country, as opposed to Europeans which seems to view the borders of a country as more of a mere political and economic tool rather than a cultural and nationalist qualifier...and the actions of the EU seem to confirm this. On the other hand the United States government seems to operate in the same manner as the European governments in which they seem (to me) to view a 'global' economic state as being more relevant than any notion of nationalism.. except for where the two overlap or where the nationalism can be used to serve the larger economy (eg the banks). This seems to be the root of the growing gulf between the US government and the US population at large excepting where the propaganda has achieved its goal of making people think that their public interest is of more concern than expanding the wealth of big businesses.. big businesses to which any true loyalty to the public of any nation is of no relevant concern except for (once again) where they can serve the interest of the money-making body (eg Ukraine?).

It just seems that all that any of this is (as some have pointed out) and can clearly be quantified as a struggle between borderless economic powers such as the EU(in bed with the US government) and the standard nationalist governments such as Russia that are either big enough or powerful(militarily or economically) enough to refuse to play ball with said conglomerate of economic bodies...
and all of this at the expense of the general public... (not that this notion would be anything new).

Am I just stating the painfully obvious here or should I just grab my tin-foil hat and just believe that the "powers that be" really do have my personal best interest at heart instead of the interest of building new and more efficient ways of gaining more power and more wealth?

I'm clearly a very simply person and just want to process this in the most simple way possible. If something that I have just stated above is inaccurate or off in left-field than please feel free to rip it to shreds and educate me on your superior understanding of the situation of this planet and its people.
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#68 Mar 02 2014 at 10:54 PM Rating: Good
Kelvyquayo wrote:

I'm clearly a very simply person and just want to process this in the most simple way possible. If something that I have just stated above is inaccurate or off in left-field than please feel free to rip it to shreds and educate me on your superior understanding of the situation of this planet and its people.


Thats pretty much the gist of it ya.

EU wants the Ukranian market, and there was more or less a deal in place (at least an agreement in principle, nothing concrete on the finer regulations of said deal), until the EU for some reason (there isn't a clear cut answer that Ive found) decided to tack on an ultimatum that more or less said, "But you have to stop dealing with Russia and being part of their Energy Cartel". US wants Ukraine to come over to the west so it can stick a few dozen NATO anti missile defense systems into it, so Russia can't reliably hit American holdings in the middle east or Europe, and to reduce Russias strategic support to Syria and Iran. Russia wants Ukraine to remain pro Russian, because pretty much all of Russia's pipelines to the EU run through there, Russia and Ukraine have a nice little deal worked out where both nations make a bunch of money off the EuroZone.

When EU stapled their "no working with Russia" Ultimatum on the deal, Russia countered with a sizeable loan, and a new energy deal that would drastically reduce costs for importing russian gas and oil. Basically Ukraine had the option to take a chance on an "agreement in principle" or take a concrete deal that would solve two of the nations biggest issue at present, lack of money, and lack of affordable energy. The US as usual saw a chance to play puppetmaster and stuck its nose into the situation, and as the leaked phone call eluded too, had already discussed the outcome of a possibile overthrown government. But to my knowledge the US was never formally involved in either the deal being tabled, nor it being rejected, they just playing on the opportunity that arose. Granted they could have been in Brussels ear and told them to tack on an ultimatum knowing it would be impossible for Ukraine to accept removing itself self from its position in Russias Energy Cartel (but that last bit is just speculation and only supported by a couple recent email leaks by anonymous so take it with a grain of salt.)







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#69 Mar 02 2014 at 11:18 PM Rating: Decent
The funny thing is, I am usually pretty on top of goings on and it never dawned on me that the leaked phone call was of any real consequence until the named parties all landed in positions of power in the "temporary" Government. "Angry" linked that call back at the beginning of February and I personally just brushed it off as a diplomatic oops. The Euro websites I hit up are not very happy with the contents, especially now that the Government has changed hands. There is not very much support for the situation in European areas, especially those heavily dependent on Russian Energy. If this thing really goes sideways and Russia turns off the tap Europe is going to be in a great deal of hurt and I think they know that which is why the outcry condemning Russia hasn't been nearly as vocal as the US or even Canada.

Also of note:
The first major action the new government took was to strike down a Russian language law. Which is odd for a transitional Government to do.
A Jewish synagouge was firebombed by elements of the Euromaiden movement (allegedly supported by the Bandera ****'s)
There are reports of Jewish and Ethnic Russians being assaulted and harassed in and around kiev since the Governent was toppled.
In regards to the last two, the Chief Rabbi in Ukraine has urged Jews to flee Kiev and the surrounding areas, and has called on Israel for support.
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#70 Mar 03 2014 at 12:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Hope they fly and land in the middle of Kiev. Lord knows that the rioters burned out enough of it to provide a landing strip.

Coups are dirty plays and Obama and Merkel should feel ashamed.



Heh. I see now.

The west is trying to **** off mother Russia, but taking away one of her prodigal children.

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#72 Mar 03 2014 at 8:03 AM Rating: Good
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#73 Mar 03 2014 at 8:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Speaking of Chancellor Merkel,
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Russian President Vladimir Putin has agreed to a German proposal for international observers to review the tense standoff in Ukraine’s Crimea area, a Kremlin news service dispatch indicated Monday.

The proposal for a “contact group” of mediating foreign diplomats and an observer delegation to assess Moscow’s claims that ethnic Russians are threatened with violence under Ukraine’s new leadership was made by German Chancellor Angela Merkel during a late Sunday phone call to Putin, her spokesman told journalists in Berlin on Monday.
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#74 Mar 03 2014 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
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[quote=LA Times]Russian President Vladimir Putin has agreed to a German proposal for international observers to review the tense standoff in Ukraine’s Crimea area, a Kremlin news service dispatch indicated Monday.

Putin is putting is newly acquired world viewing skills to good use.

How does one observe 'threatened violence'?

If the popular vote supports it and Ukraine gave up Crimea to Russia, would everyone be happy?

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Not the western part of Ukraine, it would risk east Ukraine seceding as well and it would lose a lot of income from tourism.
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#76 Mar 03 2014 at 9:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Speaking of Chancellor Merkel,
LA Times wrote:
Russian President Vladimir Putin has agreed to a German proposal for international observers to review the tense standoff in Ukraine’s Crimea area, a Kremlin news service dispatch indicated Monday.

The proposal for a “contact group” of mediating foreign diplomats and an observer delegation to assess Moscow’s claims that ethnic Russians are threatened with violence under Ukraine’s new leadership was made by German Chancellor Angela Merkel during a late Sunday phone call to Putin, her spokesman told journalists in Berlin on Monday.


Eh Germany put themselves in a whole when they elected to ratify an EU deal with an ultimatum stapled to the bottom. Germany has to much to lose from a US style of politics, 40% of their NatGas, and 35% of their oil comes from Russia, hence the soft ball. Merkel Herself is in a weak position overall as there are many other people in opposition to her that have friendly ties with Russia, so really she doesn't have much sway due to her minority government. Which is one reason why Germany hasn't jumped on the sanction train, and contradicted the US/Canada position that Russia be removed from the G8. (granted Canada just took itself out of the G8 in protest instead of just blowing smoke)


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If the popular vote supports it and Ukraine gave up Crimea to Russia, would everyone be happy?


Doubtful, if that happened the majority pro Russian East would likely desire to cede as well, as they share no real ties with the Western provinces. Which would result in a huge backlash across Ukraine as well in regards to national capital. Furthermore with Crimea removed as a trading chip the Ukraine would be at the mercy of Russia in terms of energy costs, and would essentially become insolvent, resulting in even greater unrest in the West. At present the majority of prosperity in the Ukraine comes from its Eastern side, they have the jobs, the factories, the energy, the farmland. Losing that means you may as well just give up the whole nation.

That also sticks Poland and Belarus in a peculiar situation as well, as all Russia would then need to do is lean on their Pro Russian regions and fracture those countries as well.

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