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#327 Mar 17 2014 at 8:36 AM Rating: Decent
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If you google that it was an exaggeration, the choices were to join Russia or stay with Ukraine but with more autonomy.

According to the HP the ballot choices were:

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Are you in favour of the reunification of Crimea with Russia as a part of the Russian Federation?

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Are you in favour of restoring the 1992 Constitution and the status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine?


I blame the Russian translation!!!!Smiley: glare
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#328 Mar 17 2014 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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The 1992 constitution is not currently in force; it declares Crimea to be part of Ukraine, but also to be sovereign. If Crimea is sovereign, the leader of its parliament has declared his intention to join the Russian Federation.

It's a no choice poll.
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#329 Mar 17 2014 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
Elinda wrote:
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If you google that it was an exaggeration, the choices were to join Russia or stay with Ukraine but with more autonomy.

According to the HP the ballot choices were:

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Are you in favour of the reunification of Crimea with Russia as a part of the Russian Federation?

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Are you in favour of restoring the 1992 Constitution and the status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine?


I blame the Russian translation!!!!Smiley: glare
It's from Huffington Post. I'm sure the translator is designed to lean to the left.


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#330 Mar 17 2014 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
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The wording of the translation isn't important, knowing what the 1992 Constitution actually is, is.
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#331 Mar 17 2014 at 10:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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The 1992 constitution is not currently in force; it declares Crimea to be part of Ukraine, but also to be sovereign. If Crimea is sovereign, the leader of its parliament has declared his intention to join the Russian Federation.

It's a no choice poll.

So I was right!

Man, I can do this all day.
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#332 Mar 17 2014 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
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The 1992 constitution is not currently in force; it declares Crimea to be part of Ukraine, but also to be sovereign. If Crimea is sovereign, the leader of its parliament has declared his intention to join the Russian Federation.

It's a no choice poll.

So I was right!

Man, I can do this all day.


I took your lead and admitted to being wrong. I'll never do that again! Smiley: lol
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#333 Mar 17 2014 at 10:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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#334 Mar 17 2014 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Kavekk wrote:
The 1992 constitution is not currently in force; it declares Crimea to be part of Ukraine, but also to be sovereign. If Crimea is sovereign, the leader of its parliament has declared his intention to join the Russian Federation.

It's a no choice poll.


This is incorrect. The May 1992 Constitution puts Crimea as essentially a Territory of Ukraine, In the sense it is part of the Ukraine but Governs itself and takes little influence on government of Kiev. This was changed in June when Kiev said it wouldn't accept that and forced Crimea to change it under threat of expulsion from Ukraine, Crimean government said ok. (i explained the difference last page)




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#335 Mar 17 2014 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Kavekk wrote:
The 1992 constitution is not currently in force; it declares Crimea to be part of Ukraine, but also to be sovereign. If Crimea is sovereign, the leader of its parliament has declared his intention to join the Russian Federation.

It's a no choice poll.


This is incorrect. The May 1992 Constitution puts Crimea as essentially a Territory of Ukraine, In the sense it is part of the Ukraine but Governs itself and takes little influence on government of Kiev. This was changed in June when Kiev said it wouldn't accept that and forced Crimea to change it under threat of expulsion from Ukraine, Crimean government said ok. (i explained the difference last page)


Everything I said is precisely correct. The May constitution declares Crimea to be both sovereign and a part of Ukraine. If Crimea becomes sovereign again, as it would were this constitution to be resurrected, its leaders have said they will vote to join with Russia. The independence of Crimea was the part that Ukraine demanded be changed; it did not demand that all autonomy be given up.
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#336 Mar 17 2014 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Kavekk wrote:
The 1992 constitution is not currently in force; it declares Crimea to be part of Ukraine, but also to be sovereign. If Crimea is sovereign, the leader of its parliament has declared his intention to join the Russian Federation.

It's a no choice poll.


This is incorrect. The May 1992 Constitution puts Crimea as essentially a Territory of Ukraine, In the sense it is part of the Ukraine but Governs itself and takes little influence on government of Kiev. This was changed in June when Kiev said it wouldn't accept that and forced Crimea to change it under threat of expulsion from Ukraine, Crimean government said ok. (i explained the difference last page)


Everything I said is precisely correct. The May constitution declares Crimea to be both sovereign and a part of Ukraine. If Crimea becomes sovereign again, as it would were this constitution to be resurrected, its leaders have said they will vote to join with Russia. The independence of Crimea was the part that Ukraine demanded be changed; it did not demand that all autonomy be given up.


More false information!.

The leaders of Crimea have said no such thing. Come on guy at least follow the news you are trying to talk about.
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#337 Mar 17 2014 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
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#338 Mar 18 2014 at 2:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Interesting, someone is trying to stir the pot.

BBC Live feed wrote:
20:01:Crimean police say an inspection of the scene of shooting in Simferopol (see 19:13) shows that the firing came from a single location and was aimed at both the local defence forces and the Ukrainian servicemen, Interfax-Ukraine news agency reports. One Ukrainian serviceman and one member of the Crimean self-defence forces was killed and two others were wounded.
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#339 Mar 18 2014 at 4:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Probably the same ************ who started shooting protesters and security forces in Kiev, kicking this whole sexy fun time off.
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#340 Mar 18 2014 at 5:20 PM Rating: Default
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Mccain was already suggesting military presence.. I'm sure he got a rise out of this.
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#341 Mar 18 2014 at 6:36 PM Rating: Good
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Well that was fast.

That's Russian's putting up their signage on the council building hours after the vote.

Sourcing on the lettering puts it being created prior to the occupation.

So much for "peace-keeping"
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#342 Mar 18 2014 at 7:06 PM Rating: Default
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Timelordwho wrote:
Well that was fast.

That's Russian's putting up their signage on the council building hours after the vote.

Sourcing on the lettering puts it being created prior to the occupation.

So much for "peace-keeping"


Ya that is a picture of them dismantling the Current lettering so of course the letters were made before the occupation.

Sauce: http://www.nationaljournal.com/pictures-video/how-quickly-crimea-is-becoming-russia-in-photos-20140318
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#343 Mar 18 2014 at 9:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Precisely. This invalidates several of your previous arguments.
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#344 Mar 18 2014 at 11:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Precisely. This invalidates several of your previous arguments.

Ya im not sure I follow. It doesn't invalidate anything. Especially given the fact that they aren't putting anything up.

Did you bother clicking that link to see how your assumption of "They made those letters in advance!" is incorrect? Or are you just talking out your ***?

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Hey guys look a random picture with no context! I assume it means this! See RCD you were so wrong!.

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Hey guys I googled this image it took me to a page in 2 seconds that explained what was happening in the picture, so i didn't have to make an incorrect assumption!





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#345 Mar 19 2014 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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It's you who has been and probably will continue to stay in fantasy land.

That is a photo of the sign being changed from one to the other. They removed lettering, and then put up new lettering.

Thank you for proving my point.
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#346 Mar 19 2014 at 12:19 PM Rating: Default
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It's you who has been and probably will continue to stay in fantasy land.

That is a photo of the sign being changed from one to the other. They removed lettering, and then put up new lettering.

Thank you for proving my point.


Did they put up new lettering? Haven't seen anything regarding putting anything up. Other than your assumption that they did. Only thing I have seen is them taking down lettering. Thats it. I am sure you have a source for that right, If you do by all means link it. Otherwise you have linked to a picture with no context, and are assuming something that doesn't have any support anywhere.

You do have supporting evidence to them putting up new lettering right? Or are we supposed to accept speculation as fact now.

If you got the sauce lets see it.
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#347 Mar 19 2014 at 2:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
If you got the sauce lets see it.


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BBC live feed wrote:
A couple stand outside the Crimean parliament, where a new sign reads "State Council of the Crimean Republic" in central Simferopol.
I couldn't tell you if that was Ukrainian letters, Russian letters, or gibberish however. Smiley: lol

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#348 Mar 19 2014 at 3:30 PM Rating: Decent
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If you got the sauce lets see it.


Linky to image

BBC live feed wrote:
A couple stand outside the Crimean parliament, where a new sign reads "State Council of the Crimean Republic" in central Simferopol.
I couldn't tell you if that was Ukrainian letters, Russian letters, or gibberish however. Smiley: lol

Edited, Mar 19th 2014 1:28pm by someproteinguy


Ya I think thats the sign they just took down. I could be wrong TLW seems to have information on the subject that doesn't exist anywhere in US, Europe, Russia or Middle East presently, so gotta wait for him to provide it.


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#349 Mar 19 2014 at 3:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Meh, it said said it was a "new" sign, and it came off the live feed like an hour ago. I suppose there's not a date stamp on the photo or anything, but the sign could also read "free monkeys inside!" for all I know, so let's take that for what it's worth.
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#350 Mar 19 2014 at 4:01 PM Rating: Good
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#351 Mar 19 2014 at 4:41 PM Rating: Default
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I did not expect that.

I was sure the standoff would be a spark. Instead, there was just a surrender.

So... how far west Russia will move now ( because, you know, Russians everywhere have to be protected )?
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