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And once it's legal in all states, gbaji will insist that he never said SSM shouldn't be allowed, we didn't understand what he was trying to say, yadda yadda yadda...
gbaji reminds me of Andrew Napolitano's logic about the civil war and slavery.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-march-11-2014/andrew-napolitano
Well, slavery was on its way out (it wasn't) and was already outlawed in 1808 so we should have just let it wind down on its own.
Well, civil rights were progressing state by state so SCOTUS was wrong to strike down Virginia's miscegenation law in 1968.
Well, public opinion is starting to turn on gay marriage so we should just allow states to pass it on a state by state basis.
Let's take no action unless we can do it right the first time, never mind the fact that in the mean time, there is still abhorrent policy or law in place.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-march-11-2014/andrew-napolitano
Well, slavery was on its way out (it wasn't) and was already outlawed in 1808 so we should have just let it wind down on its own.
Well, civil rights were progressing state by state so SCOTUS was wrong to strike down Virginia's miscegenation law in 1968.
Well, public opinion is starting to turn on gay marriage so we should just allow states to pass it on a state by state basis.
Let's take no action unless we can do it right the first time, never mind the fact that in the mean time, there is still abhorrent policy or law in place.
But it's abhorrent to other people so it's okay.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
trickybeck wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Marriage is awesome and all, but it's a roundabout way of encouraging people to raise their children at best, and you reward all sorts of behavior that isn't kid related. Can't have people getting sham married for the benefits, or mooching off the government for 50 years while remaining childless.
Best to actually reward the behavior you're trying to encourage, which is raising a kid in this case. If you want to do something about marriage, find the reasons people are getting divorced, and try and fix those or something like that.
Best to actually reward the behavior you're trying to encourage, which is raising a kid in this case. If you want to do something about marriage, find the reasons people are getting divorced, and try and fix those or something like that.
Well there are lots of other societal benefits to marriage that have nothing to do with children. Largely due to stability - if one partner loses their job, the couple can remain afloat and keep their home until a new job is found, rather than going on welfare. They can share a (private) healthcare plan rather than using the emergency room. All sorts of other shared resources that increase effiency and reduce reliance on public aid. It's like bundling 2 derivatives to reduce the overall default risk of the package.
Also, married people are also less likely to commit crime, are healthier, abuse drugs less, etc. (And a minor benefit that cohabitation is easier on the environment.)
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
lolgaxe wrote:
Paskil wrote:
gbaji wrote:
So you're basically saying that since marriage restrictions aren't perfect now, we should just make them less perfect? How does that make any sense?
Jophiel wrote:
I find my interest in debating SSM has gone way down since it became apparent that the conservatives have already lost this one. State after state is flipping, court after court ruling that these are actual rights, poll after poll showing strong majority support for SSM rights -- It'll take a while for the full loss to take effect but this battle's as good as over. All that's left is the wailing and gashing of teeth from the losing side as it comes to a close.
The victories are still few and slow for those of us these policies actually affect, though. So that's why I'm still in gbaji's face over the whole thing. Plus I'm bored.
But you are right, it's no longer a matter of "if" it's a matter of "when".
yeah we've already long passed the wailing and gnashing of teeth phase over here. It's now ho-hum, equal rights, booooring.
Oh, I don't think it's boring. And I'd be happy to see it move faster. But it's moving faster than I ever would have predicted a few years ago. And listening to Gbaji prattle on about "natural children" and "incentives to marry" is a lot less entertaining (such as it is) when the race is already a foregone conclusion.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
And listening to Gbaji prattle on about "natural children" and "incentives to marry" is a lot less entertaining (such as it is) when the race is already a foregone conclusion.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
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