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#202 Mar 05 2014 at 7:38 PM Rating: Good
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#203 Mar 05 2014 at 7:56 PM Rating: Default
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The point I was making about buying power was that raising the minimum wage will not increase the buying power of those at the minimum because costs will adjust to match.


Good point. Except, of course, that we've raised the minimum wage before, and there's never been inflation related to the wage increase, ever. one of those things that sounds promising in your head, but on paper makes no sense and in practice is obviously idiotic.


If there really were no adjustment or other negative economic effects, then why stop at $15/hour? Why not make minimum wage $50/hour? Then everyone would be economically comfortable, right?

There's a reason why even minimum wage advocates always increase it in small bits and over time. Because by keeping it small, it minimizes the cost adjustment, thus ensuring that the majority of people who earn significantly more than the minimum wage don't notice it. That way they can continue to use the same argument as a wedge issue in election years. Which is really the point of all of this.

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For costs to "adjust to an increase in the minimum wage" that increase would have to be, in aggregate, about 1000 times larger than it actually is (not hyperbole, it's really that stupid of an idea). About 3 million workers are paid minimum wage. They work about an average of 1000 hours per year. Raising the minimum wage $5 an hour brings in about another 2 million employees who would now be below the federal minimum, also averaging about 1000 hours per year. So let's just say 5 million at 1000 hours each, or 5 billion hours per year. Let's also just assume they all get a raise of $5, pushing an extra $25B into the economy annually. Your argument is that this $25B increase into a 15 TRILLION+ GDP is going to cause inflation.


Huh? It doesn't increase or decrease the money in the economy at all. We're not talking about monetary inflation. We're talking about consumer price adjustments (which can lead to inflation, but it's not about measuring one against GDP like you're trying to do). If you raise the wages of the workers in a store, the store must increase its prices to make up the difference. Calculated directly, this is a small increase because compensation is only part of the total cost of business. However, much of those other costs *also* involve labor (actually you can argue that all of them do). Someone is paid to make all the products you sell in your store. Someone else is paid to package those products. Someone is paid to deliver them. Etc, etc, etc.

The effect on this isn't just about the dollar increase in the wages of those working in the store, it's the wage increase for everyone involved in any part of anything sold in that store or used by the store in the process of selling those goods. And the larger the wage increase, the more people's wages increase, and the larger this effect. Given that the majority of near minimum wage workers work in retail/hospitality industries, this means that it directly affects everyone. It affects those with lower incomes *more* than those with high incomes, because they're spending a larger portion of their earnings buying groceries. But those are the very people you're claiming to help by increasing the minimum wage.
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#204 Mar 05 2014 at 8:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Why not make minimum wage $50/hour? Then everyone would be economically comfortable, right?
Word for word Fox News. Word. For. Word. Smiley: laugh
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#205 Mar 05 2014 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Why not make minimum wage $50/hour? Then everyone would be economically comfortable, right?
Word for word Fox News. Word. For. Word. Smiley: laugh

But why stop there, if it really works why not $100 or even $100,000?

God **** government handouts. **** welfare bums sucking at the teets of their employers.

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Now I know what you're thinking: "Jon, these arguments against raising the minimum wage are entertainingly sh*tty. But I feel like I need more of them. Is there any way I could supersize them, with a side of slippery slope?"


edit: sauce: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/06/1260581/-MUST-SEE-Jon-Stewart-BLASTS-arguments-against-raising-the-minimum-wage#

Sorry as a canadian thats how I have to view my Jon Stewart these days. Thanks Obama.

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Why not make minimum wage $50/hour? Then everyone would be economically comfortable, right?
Word for word Fox News. Word. For. Word. Smiley: laugh

But why stop there, if it really works why not $100 or even $100,000?

God **** government handouts. **** welfare bums sucking at the teets of their employers.

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Now I know what you're thinking: "Jon, these arguments against raising the minimum wage are entertainingly sh*tty. But I feel like I need more of them. Is there any way I could supersize them, with a side of slippery slope?"


edit: sauce: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/06/1260581/-MUST-SEE-Jon-Stewart-BLASTS-arguments-against-raising-the-minimum-wage#

Sorry as a canadian thats how I have to view my Jon Stewart these days. Thanks Obama.


Um... You do realize that the argument I'm making has existed and been made long before this last week on Fox News, right? And while I guess it's fun to get your political opinions from a comedian, the response he gives avoids the actual point being made (with comedy, so there's that).

If there are zero economic negatives to raising minimum wage, then there should be no negatives no matter how high you raise it. If there *are*, then either those negatives exist to some degree no matter how much it's raised, and we should be honest about them *or* those negatives kick in at some specific dollar amount, and we should be talking about that. But what we get are really arbitrary numbers. Some propose raising it to $10/hour. Some to $15/hour. Some even more. Why the difference? If there's no harm at all, then why not raise it to be high enough so that people can live more comfortably? I mean, $15/hour is better than $7.50, but you're not going to be living large at that rate.

If there is harm, then shouldn't we be able to determine some specific dollar level at which either the harm doesn't occur yet (like if there's a cut off), or the benefits can be shown mathematically to outweigh that harm? And if that's the case, shouldn't all the supposed economic geniuses on the left all agree on that dollar amount?

Yet they don't. So it's not really about economics, it's about emotion. Which, I suppose, is why the best people to defend raising the minimum wage are comedians. Cause it's a joke.

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#208 Mar 05 2014 at 10:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Um... You do realize that the argument I'm making has existed and been made long before this last week on Fox News, right?
Right, it's made regularly on Fox News when they cycle back through their talking points, which coincidentally so do you. So tell us again how you come up with your "brilliant thought provoking well written arguments" all by your lonesome.

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And while I guess it's fun to get your political opinions from a comedian

Hey, at least he gets his news from somewhere! Smiley: laugh
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#210 Mar 05 2014 at 11:18 PM Rating: Decent
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If there are zero economic negatives to raising minimum wage, then there should be no negatives no matter how high you raise it. If there *are*, then either those negatives exist to some degree no matter how much it's raised.


Well you just like FOX are an idiot. But hey you are one who also tries to legitimize CEO's making 1000x more per hour than their employees. Who knows maybe go read the facts for yourself and learn about **** instead of being a parrot of anecdotal commentary based in poor economic opinion.

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If there really were no adjustment or other negative economic effects, then why stop at $15/hour? Why not make minimum wage $50/hour? Then everyone would be economically comfortable, right?

You know who thought that way? Stalin! Does anyone in your life take this **** even remotely seriously?

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Under 400 calories isn't really a meal, anyway. You do actually need energy to live, I don't know if anyone ever told you that.


I'm a fatty on a roughly 1600 calorie diet. 400 calories is absolutely a meal.
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If there are zero economic negatives to raising minimum wage, then there should be no negatives no matter how high you raise it.


There are economic negatives to raising the minimum wage to extreme levels. These effects are minuscule (ie, probably less than rounding error) if you raise the FMW to $10-12/h and enormous if you raise it to $10000000000000000000000000000000000000000/hr. Most people get this concept.

I'm sure some restaurant will add a 1% "Thanks Obama" fee to your meal if the FMW is raised. So there's that.
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No, no, if it won't stand up to insane hyperbolic examples, it clearly won't stand up at all.

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When Washington residents voted in 1998 to raise the state’s minimum wage and link it to the cost of living, opponents warned the measure would be a job-killer. The prediction hasn’t been borne out.

In the 15 years that followed, the state’s minimum wage climbed to $9.32 -- the highest in the country. Meanwhile job growth continued at an average 0.8 percent annual pace, 0.3 percentage point above the national rate. Payrolls at Washington’s restaurants and bars, portrayed as particularly vulnerable to higher wage costs, expanded by 21 percent. Poverty has trailed the U.S. level for at least seven years.


Part of the article mentions alternate means in which companies absorb the higher labor cost beyond "fire everyone", "go out of business" or even "raise all our prices". This would also help explain why raising the minimum wage to a million-thousand dollars isn't the same thing -- moderate increases can be absorbed in various ways and spread over time whereas cataclysmic shifts could not.
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#216 Mar 06 2014 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
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No, no, if it won't stand up to insane hyperbolic examples, it clearly won't stand up at all.
And if that doesn't work, an analogy about a car will sell it.
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When Washington residents voted in 1998 to raise the state’s minimum wage and link it to the cost of living, opponents warned the measure would be a job-killer. The prediction hasn’t been borne out.

In the 15 years that followed, the state’s minimum wage climbed to $9.32 -- the highest in the country. Meanwhile job growth continued at an average 0.8 percent annual pace, 0.3 percentage point above the national rate. Payrolls at Washington’s restaurants and bars, portrayed as particularly vulnerable to higher wage costs, expanded by 21 percent. Poverty has trailed the U.S. level for at least seven years.


Part of the article mentions alternate means in which companies absorb the higher labor cost beyond "fire everyone", "go out of business" or even "raise all our prices". This would also help explain why raising the minimum wage to a million-thousand dollars isn't the same thing -- moderate increases can be absorbed in various ways and spread over time whereas cataclysmic shifts could not.
This. Seriously we did this years ago, and it's worked fine for years. It's humorous that people keep claiming it's a killer, when it clearly hasn't been. At least to any amount that matters.

For all the ups and downs and what not, it doesn't really make a bit of meaningful difference. We pay people over $9/hr to pump our gas for us here, and our prices are basically indistinguishable to those on the other side of the borders. The peg to inflation is a good idea, it keeps salaries at the same relative year after year and you don't have to worry about it. People don't get relatively poorer due to inflation. The cost to society is minimal, either way. The percentage of the economy that is represented in those minimum wage jobs is so small you can fiddle with it all you want within reasonable limits and you'll be hard pressed to see the effects, at all.

There's just a whole lot of more important factors in the economy, and many that are probably worth a lot more debate and airtime than this is getting.


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Just because it didn't destroy the world last time, or the time before that, or the time before that, it doesn't mean it won't this time! Also just because every time we've gone to war since the 1950s it's turned into an embarrassing cluster@#%^ doesn't mean that this time we won't be hailed as conquering heroes.

You know what they say about history: Those who fail to learn from history are bound to get it right this time.

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Raising the minimum wage to $10.10 would save 4.6 billion dollars a year in food stamps without having to change anything else.
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Yeah, but think of all the layoffs at the food stamp card factory. Why don't liberals care about those guys?
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Under 400 calories isn't really a meal, anyway. You do actually need energy to live, I don't know if anyone ever told you that.


I'm a fatty on a roughly 1600 calorie diet. 400 calories is absolutely a meal.

That's weird, I'm built roughly like The Machinist but 400 calories to me is a light snack.
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I'm a fatty on a roughly 1600 calorie diet.

Yeah. ""Roughly""
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I'm a fatty on a roughly 1600 calorie diet.

Yeah. ""Roughly""


Weight Watchers doesn't measure calories, so the calorie-in-calorie-out varies on a daily basis. Smiley: rolleyes
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Weight Watchers doesn't measure calories, so the calorie-in-calorie-out varies on a daily basis. Smiley:

Yeah, that's lovely and all, but there are physics involved. Unless your "fat" at 120 lbs, you aren't fat consuming 1600 calories a day unless you are literally bedridden.
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Weight Watchers doesn't measure calories, so the calorie-in-calorie-out varies on a daily basis. Smiley:

Yeah, that's lovely and all, but there are physics involved. Unless your "fat" at 120 lbs, you aren't fat consuming 1600 calories a day unless you are literally bedridden.


I'm computer-ridden, close enough.

I've always had the metabolism of a turtle.
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Congratulations on losing scholar, gbaji.


/shrug. People are afraid of the truth. So much for liberals valuing free speech I guess.


If it makes you feel any better, I've rated you up quite a few times before. Smiley: wink

It's kind of like ******* into the wind though. One would think with such a high post count your karma would never really move.

Me too. I think it's important to reward you when you're actually right. Especially when it's an important thing to say too.
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But honestly, my goal on this forum is less about arguing my positions as trying to get people to recognize and use good arguments versus bad ones. It's something I see far too much of. I'll eternally challenge arguments of the "anyone who doesn't agree with me is bad" form. So there's that. And if the pattern of ratedowns I get is any indication (while we're on the subject anyway), people care less about me challenging their positions on issues as they do with me challenging why they hold those positions. And that's something I find very very interesting.

I don't rate you down when I disagree with you gbaji. I rate you down occasionally when you say something so morally obnoxious and intellectually bankrupt that it would be dangerous to let it stand without comment. Often I don't have the energy to reply to you. Certainly replying to you would be fruitless if I wanted to change your mind. So I let a ratedown stand in for a comment.

You've never challenged me on why I hold my positions. Your propositions are so often wrong to start out with that your syllogisms are worthless to consider and your conclusions almost invariably wrong.
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.... although the sea salt seems to season my chicken better when I cook it.
That's all that matters.

I suspect that the grain size does have something to do with it. I buy course-grained sugar to top my muffins with. It gives better texture.


Its healthier to, since it is largely unprocessed it retains many other mineral deposits like magnesium, potassium, and calcium. Table Salt doesn't retain these minerals due to its processing and is mixed with other additives like Iodine, and an Anti Clumping agent that is not toxic but does nothing of worth for the body.

Wait, why is magnesium good but iodine is bad? Iodized salt has probably had positive health impacts for millions on par with fluoridated water. In fact, there is worry that with so many people jumping on the sea salt craze, plus eating so much processed food that's pre-salted with non-iodized salt, rather than actually cooking food, that we'll see an increase iodine-deficiency related illnesses, like mental retardation and thyroid problems.
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Eh, the iodized salt is just bad because it's missing all the *other* minerals found in sea or mountain salt, and has that anti-clumping agent. If you're eating enough seafood and eggs, you should be getting enough iodine.
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#230 Mar 08 2014 at 6:33 AM Rating: Good
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I have canning salt. It's not iodized, but is gross for seasoning. It clumps fiercely.

For the most part I'd not be seeking to get balanced trace minerals from their salt. It's just a seasoning - that should be used sparsely.
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But honestly, my goal on this forum is less about arguing my positions as trying to get people to recognize and use good arguments versus bad ones. It's something I see far too much of. I'll eternally challenge arguments of the "anyone who doesn't agree with me is bad" form. So there's that. And if the pattern of ratedowns I get is any indication (while we're on the subject anyway), people care less about me challenging their positions on issues as they do with me challenging why they hold those positions. And that's something I find very very interesting.

Yeah, no. I don't rate anyone, which I'm sure Kao can confirm. However, when I've been not logged in and seen one of your posts below default, and then read it, I've never thought "that's not fair, people just disagree with his well reasoned valid opinion". I've mostly thought "yeah, even stupider than usual, makes sense."

The idea that you're a benevolent rhetoric educator simply challenging inarticulate positions actually made laugh loud enough to frighten Nexa. Pretty much all of your arguments are terrible ones that can be demolished instantly. It's disappointing, really. I've posted many times "this is actually a position with some merit, but your argument makes no sense." Hundreds?
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.... although the sea salt seems to season my chicken better when I cook it.
That's all that matters.

I suspect that the grain size does have something to do with it. I buy course-grained sugar to top my muffins with. It gives better texture.


Its healthier to, since it is largely unprocessed it retains many other mineral deposits like magnesium, potassium, and calcium. Table Salt doesn't retain these minerals due to its processing and is mixed with other additives like Iodine, and an Anti Clumping agent that is not toxic but does nothing of worth for the body.

Wait, why is magnesium good but iodine is bad? Iodized salt has probably had positive health impacts for millions on par with fluoridated water. In fact, there is worry that with so many people jumping on the sea salt craze, plus eating so much processed food that's pre-salted with non-iodized salt, rather than actually cooking food, that we'll see an increase iodine-deficiency related illnesses, like mental retardation and thyroid problems.


I didn't say Iodine was bad, I just said table salt is lacking the other minerals that the body uses. You gain more overall health benefit from Sea Salt. Ergo it is healthier. That doesn't mean Table Salt is bad, its just not as good. Assuming of course you are eating a balanced diet and acquiring iodine from other sources.
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What is the anti-clumping agent that keeps getting mentioned? Growing up our salt shaker has always had a small bit of rice in it to absorb moisture and prevent clumping.
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And I know for a fact that there are a number of posters/lurkers on this forum who agree with me, but are literally afraid of posting their opinions because they don't want to suffer the negative backlash that would result.

Then they're pussies. Seriously. It's a god **** web forum. What's the worst that happens here -- someone calls you stupid in a variety of creative ways? Oh, golly no!

As much as I'd like to see some various points of view, if someone says something I disagree with, I'm going to disagree with them in the same manner that I'd disagree with anyone else. If someone needs to be coddled and sheltered because their frail egos and fragile views can't hold up to being told they're wrong and perhaps even dumb then who needs them? There's a number of people "literally afraid of posting their opinions"? F' em. I don't need to waste time on precious little flowers who can't handle direct sunlight.
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What is the anti-clumping agent that keeps getting mentioned? Growing up our salt shaker has always had a small bit of rice in it to absorb moisture and prevent clumping.

Sodium Ferocyanide (or something like that). Its nontoxic most of the time. Unless you mix it with acid, in which case you can make Cyanaide Gas which is toxic. Most people don't mix salt with Acid though.

Also a lot of people put rice in depending on the humidity of their homes. Since the clumping agent dissolves in water to much moisture in the air can cause the agent to dissolve and salt to clump. Rice keeps the ambient moisture neutralized.
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Debalic wrote:
What is the anti-clumping agent that keeps getting mentioned? Growing up our salt shaker has always had a small bit of rice in it to absorb moisture and prevent clumping.

Sodium Ferocyanide (or something like that). Its nontoxic most of the time. Unless you mix it with acid, in which case you can make Cyanaide Gas which is toxic. Most people don't mix salt with Acid though.

My family puts a salt into vinegar and oil as part of making salad dressing. Smiley: frown Then there's fish and chips, which we cover with salt and vinegar Smiley: mad

...AND lemon juice!

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#240 Mar 08 2014 at 10:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Debalic wrote:
What is the anti-clumping agent that keeps getting mentioned? Growing up our salt shaker has always had a small bit of rice in it to absorb moisture and prevent clumping.

Sodium Ferocyanide (or something like that). Its nontoxic most of the time. Unless you mix it with acid, in which case you can make Cyanaide Gas which is toxic. Most people don't mix salt with Acid though.

My family puts a salt into vinegar and oil as part of making salad dressing. Smiley: frown Then there's fish and chips, which we cover with salt and vinegar Smiley: mad

...AND lemon juice!


I wouldn't lose sleep over it, and I was talking "real" acids. Your stomach acid has a higher acidic value then Lemon Juice or Vinegar so....

Hydroflouric Acids and Sulfuric Acids, the ones that people shouldn't be ingesting anyway is what I was eluding to. If its less acidic than your stomach, generally you are A-OK. You might get heartburn or gassy, but otherwise you have nothing to worry about.

Maybe if you mix a box of salt in a bowl with stomach acid and stuck your face over it and started inhaling you might pooch your lungs...but I don't think that is a realistic situation in your home.



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So I have to throw up, mix the salt in then drink the vomit? Smiley: confused Why can't I just eat the salt to mix it with my stomach acid? Smiley: frown
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#242 Mar 09 2014 at 5:45 AM Rating: Good
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So I have to throw up, mix the salt in then drink the vomit? Smiley: confused Why can't I just eat the salt to mix it with my stomach acid? Smiley: frown

Does English stop at the border or something?

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Which border?

And why is it so hard to just say, "Because the harm is done by inhalation" if that's the case?
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Texas/Oklahoma
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Texas/Oklahoma


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#246 Mar 09 2014 at 12:32 PM Rating: Default
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Which border?

And why is it so hard to just say, "Because the harm is done by inhalation" if that's the case?


Because I didn't expect to see someone replying with "But I use Salt in Vinegar and Lemon Juice".

To answer your question though


ITS A ******* GAS, Gasses tend to enter your system through inhalation. It should go without saying to anyone who has taken at least grade 3 science. Holy ******* Christ.
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Right, that wasn't my question.
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#248 Mar 09 2014 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Right, that wasn't my question.


go out and drink a gallon of Hydroflouric acid.
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Aw, you do get snitty when you're wrong, don't you? That explains the more or less permanent snit, I suppose.
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#250 Mar 09 2014 at 6:07 PM Rating: Default
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Aw, you do get snitty when you're wrong, don't you? That explains the more or less permanent snit, I suppose.

I get snitty dealing with blatant ******* stupidity.

I shouldn't have to clarify a gas will harm your lungs, no more than one should have to clarify drinking a gallon of hydrofluoric acid is a bad thing for your insides.

But evidently the short bus dropped you off and forgot to pick you back up. Seriously you shouldn't need your hand held here. But then again I am not really surprised either.
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My question had nothing to do with chemistry and everything to do with demeanor. I'm not at all surprised you failed to pick that up.

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