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#152 Feb 11 2014 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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I'm suspecting something along the lines of people not wanting to pay to have their advertizements for chicken ******* appear on **** sites, or as suggested links next to them in search results and the like.


Well google already heavily censors their search results by default, so it must be the former. I'd think that advertisers would want to reach as broad an audience as possible, though. This seems to me like google getting more evil.
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I'm suspecting something along the lines of people not wanting to pay to have their advertizements for chicken ******* appear on **** sites, or as suggested links next to them in search results and the like.


Well google already heavily censors their search results by default, so it must be the former. I'd think that advertisers would want to reach as broad an audience as possible, though. This seems to me like google getting more evil.
I dunno, the response didn't get much thought admittedly.

Mostly just that people fixated on viewing boobies are highly unlikely to be purchasing anything unrelated to said boobies at that time, and the easier it is to tell which sites are which the easier it is to get the proper adds appearing on the those sites. If you have to pay to have your links appear, you only want it appearing when people are likely to actually click your link.

Or something like that?
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#154 Feb 11 2014 at 2:28 PM Rating: Good
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That should just be part of the ad targeting. IE if people rarely click on ads for a pizza place when browsing pornography they shouldn't serve the ads there, however if people actually are buying a lot of tricycles while browsing xxxsexmachines.com they should be listed as ads there. There is no content filtering needed, just appropriate content for the site. It's fundamentally retarded to try to shift a forum towards being a more ad friendly environment rather than using ads that target the users of the forum.

Users use a forum product not in order to better see the advertising, but in order to see content.
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Perhaps they were confused by the superbowl.
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#156 Feb 11 2014 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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Perhaps they were confused by the superbowl.

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Torrence wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
I'm suspecting something along the lines of people not wanting to pay to have their advertizements for chicken ******* appear on **** sites, or as suggested links next to them in search results and the like.


Well google already heavily censors their search results by default, so it must be the former. I'd think that advertisers would want to reach as broad an audience as possible, though. This seems to me like google getting more evil.


Nah, brand management is a pretty massive investment by companies. You don't want your ads showing up next to content that could negatively impact your brand image. Sure, there's probably a strong correlation between people who watch **** and people who drink Coke. But Coke doesn't particularly want their brand being connected with bukake in those customer's minds.

And they're not crazy. Studies on branding pretty firmly reinforce the idea that control is preferable.
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So then give advertisers that choice and then host ads, (perhaps at a discount if it warrants it) for advertisers who do wish to advertise on sites with more offensive content. Plenty of advertisers would like to market to the natural community of gamers rather than only those gamers who want a sanitized environment.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Sure, there's probably a strong correlation between people who watch **** and people who drink Coke. But Coke doesn't particularly want their brand being connected with bukake in those customer's minds.


It's funny that you mention that...

NSFW NSFW

Sprite is one of Coke Cola's products in case you didn't know for some reason or another. Also this isn't a legit ad, but I digress.

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So then give advertisers that choice and then host ads, (perhaps at a discount if it warrants it) for advertisers who do wish to advertise on sites with more offensive content. Plenty of advertisers would like to market to the natural community of gamers rather than only those gamers who want a sanitized environment.
Yeah, i really don't understand why they don't have "tiers" for this. You'd think google would want to get in on the **** ads.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Google DID have a **** site option, at least through some company under its control.

I think the bigger issue is setting up any kind of realistic tiering option.

This is a gaming site. Google would do best by providing ads that are most likely to be attractive to gamers (gaming-related ones, obviously, but also ads suitable to the site's demographic). But forums like the Asylum really break the mold there - a lot of the ads they want to run they don't want to run alongside a discussion about whether or not condoms are best for the **** industry.

Is having a "adult content possible" tier really going to help Google's profits? Probably not. Particularly not when the website doesn't really have another advertising option in the first place.

And the thing is, Google also needs to establish their brand name, just like the companies advertising through them. Google has decided it doesn't want its brand associated with smut. I'm not surprised.

Not saying I'm happy about this at all. But I'm not remotely shocked. From a business perspective, it's smart. As a consumer, I lose out. But Google has to market their adsense service to businesses, not the people visiting the website. We're the product, not the customer.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
And the thing is, Google also needs to establish their brand name, just like the companies advertising through them. Google has decided it doesn't want its brand associated with smut. I'm not surprised..


Then they need to stop providing search results for smut, or an image page that displays said smut without actually going to the website. Right now Google is known at "the best search engine to find **** with", unless there is another that is better than them.
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#163 Feb 11 2014 at 7:20 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
And the thing is, Google also needs to establish their brand name, just like the companies advertising through them. Google has decided it doesn't want its brand associated with smut. I'm not surprised..


Then they need to stop providing search results for smut, or an image page that displays said smut without actually going to the website. Right now Google is known at "the best search engine to find **** with", unless there is another that is better than them.


[:puzzled:]

Um, it's pretty widely known that Google is the worst search engine to find **** with. They've been very actively filtering out smut for a long while now.

They don't remove it entirely (well, the legitimate sites), but you need to be far more specific with your search terms to find it.

I searched "worst search engine to find ****" into both Google and Bing. Google's results were all about managing the hunt for child pornography and how the US rejects the idea of automatic **** filtering.

Bing's results were a whole bunch of **** sites, with a Huffington Post article halfway down the page about how **** is much harder to find with Google's increasingly stringent filtering mechanisms.

edit: don't remember the ??? code, don't particularly care.

Edited, Feb 11th 2014 8:20pm by idiggory
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#164 Feb 11 2014 at 7:30 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
And the thing is, Google also needs to establish their brand name, just like the companies advertising through them. Google has decided it doesn't want its brand associated with smut. I'm not surprised..


Then they need to stop providing search results for smut, or an image page that displays said smut without actually going to the website. Right now Google is known at "the best search engine to find **** with", unless there is another that is better than them.


Bing is by far the best for ****.

Trust me on this, I have a lot of hands on experience.
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Bing is by far the best for ****.

Trust me on this, I have a lot of hands off experience.


Apparently I've been doing it wrong. Noted.
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#166 Feb 11 2014 at 8:21 PM Rating: Good
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
IDrownFish of the Seven Seas wrote:
Bing is by far the best for ****.

Trust me on this, I have a lot of hands off experience.


Apparently I've been doing it wrong. Noted.


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#167 Feb 11 2014 at 8:26 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
edit: don't remember the ??? code, don't particularly care.


It's "confused."
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
edit: don't remember the ??? code, don't particularly care.


It's "confused."

Why thank you!
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I searched "worst search engine to find ****" into both Google and Bing. Google's results were all about managing the hunt for child pornography and how the US rejects the idea of automatic **** filtering.

Bing's results were a whole bunch of **** sites
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#170 Feb 12 2014 at 11:16 AM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Google DID have a **** site option, at least through some company under its control.

I think the bigger issue is setting up any kind of realistic tiering option.

This is a gaming site. Google would do best by providing ads that are most likely to be attractive to gamers (gaming-related ones, obviously, but also ads suitable to the site's demographic). But forums like the Asylum really break the mold there - a lot of the ads they want to run they don't want to run alongside a discussion about whether or not condoms are best for the **** industry.

Is having a "adult content possible" tier really going to help Google's profits? Probably not. Particularly not when the website doesn't really have another advertising option in the first place.

And the thing is, Google also needs to establish their brand name, just like the companies advertising through them. Google has decided it doesn't want its brand associated with smut. I'm not surprised.

Not saying I'm happy about this at all. But I'm not remotely shocked. From a business perspective, it's smart. As a consumer, I lose out. But Google has to market their adsense service to businesses, not the people visiting the website. We're the product, not the customer.


But this isn't about delivering appropriate ad content to a site - at least that's not what I took from the explanation of the change. This is Google saying "we're not going to play ball with you if you don't stop using bad words". That means no adsense at all if the asylum breaks a certain threshold of what Google considers "questionable content".
#171 Feb 12 2014 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent
I would guess that zam has picked a category that they want to fit in based on audience and potential ad revenue, and google is setting rules within that space.
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#172 Feb 12 2014 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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I would guess that zam has picked a category that they want to fit in based on audience and potential ad revenue, and google is setting rules within that space.


Yeah, that.

It sucks, but the reality is that the content and visitors of the Asylum (and to a lesser extent the OOT) are completely different from the content of the rest of the network. Because Zam probably stands to make way more money through ad content targeting a specific demographic linked to gaming, they're going to have to follow the rules that Google sets for gaming-demographic ad content.
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#173 Feb 12 2014 at 11:55 AM Rating: Excellent
I just wish reddit had a conversation mode.
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#174 Feb 12 2014 at 1:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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I just wish reddit had a conversation mode.

Reddit sucks as a forum substitute. I don't even know if a topic has a new post unless I open it, because there's no "last post date" feature. And lack of avatars makes distinguishing posters a pain. We'd be better off with a free phpBB host.
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#175 Feb 12 2014 at 1:23 PM Rating: Excellent
I'll just keep posting here, I can't be bothered to find a new way.
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#176 Feb 12 2014 at 1:28 PM Rating: Good
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I've always gone through periods of posting and nonposting.

And during the periods of nonposting, I didn't necessarily plan to come back. Usually it was because the gaming forums brought me back (new game, or back into an old game).

I don't really use Zam much for gaming purposes anymore, beyond the general game forum. So IDK. Maybe if I disappeared and I wanted to check out the Wildstar forums or something...

Though the problem has consistently been that the community here is pretty established, now. So it's like walking into a room with a lot of people screaming and you know who none of them are, though you might spot a few familiar (disgusted) faces scattered throughout the room.

Kind of what the FFXIV forum feels like. It's a hellhole, but I've been wandering in for the masochistic entertainment.
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#177 Feb 12 2014 at 1:33 PM Rating: Excellent
Suck it up princess
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#178 Feb 12 2014 at 1:40 PM Rating: Excellent
May I proffer a solution? Use cockney slang. Join us, you might like us ...

This is right load of Jackson Pollock enacted by Khyber Passes Smiley: clown

On a serious note thanks for the heads up Kaolian. I completely understand this needs to happen and appreciate you are not enacting all that google are asking for. I doubt I'll notice much change as I post little and I do not really swear much. My only concern is that some people post some very funny stuff using profanity.
Would Google silence George Carlin in text form? .... he had a sketch on a similar vein actually about TV censorship back in the 70's.



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Reddit sucks as a forum substitute. I don't even know if a topic has a new post unless I open it, because there's no "last post date" feature. And lack of avatars makes distinguishing posters a pain.


Has pretty much all of those things, actually. Depends how far on to the learning curve you want to go, I guess. Obviously the layout and navigation is different and people hate change.
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#180 Feb 12 2014 at 1:45 PM Rating: Excellent
I've never really bothered to play around with my reddit settings, as I use it not for conversation, but just idle amusement.

How would you make it into a format that supports conversations? I assume it would be some kind of subreddit setting to restrict people so that they only reply to the original post rather than making threads, and ordering them somehow?

I think addons will let you do things like highlight the new comments you haven't yet read, although I'd have to look into that to figure out how, RES doesn't do that by default, and I don't see any obvious way of making it start. Honestly this is the biggest thing for me, I want to be able to identify things I haven't read. If I can do that, then navigating different reply chains in a thread is a trivial problem.

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Well I just signed up 2 days ago and didn't see any of those things. And couldn't find them in the preferences. I can handle some change, but the change should be intuitive to navigate :)
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#182 Feb 12 2014 at 1:49 PM Rating: Excellent
hmm, apparently reddit gold will do that for you.
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If this forum moved away from Zam, I think it would cease to exist before too long. It's already sickly, but if it's not at Zam it will have virtually no influx of new lurkers and posters and it will die.


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Get the Reddit Enhancement Suite (RES) addon, it makes everything better. You can also sort replies by top (highest karma), best (best up to downvote ratio), controversial (worst up to downvote ratio) and new (newest posts on top).
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#185 Feb 12 2014 at 1:58 PM Rating: Excellent
but it doesn't give you new comments, so if there are a bunch of replies you need to read through everything.

I'm testing something, quick someone go make a comment on one of the reddit threads.

Also Elinda is right, but I'm bored and learning new things.

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If this forum moved away from Zam, I think it would cease to exist before too long. It's already sickly, but if it's not at Zam it will have virtually no influx of new lurkers and posters and it will die.


There's an influx?
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#187 Feb 12 2014 at 1:59 PM Rating: Excellent
there's that angrymnk guy who's posted once or twice.
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#188 Feb 12 2014 at 1:59 PM Rating: Excellent
Plus everyone posts for the Anonymous Guests (68)
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
but it doesn't give you new comments, so if there are a bunch of replies you need to read through everything.

RES does show you how many new posts there are and if you have reddit gold it highlights new posts.
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Plus everyone posts for the Anonymous Guests (68)


I know I do. They're my favorite people/bots/NSA spies. Smiley: nod

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I know I do. They're my favorite people/bots/NSA Google spies. Smiley: nod
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#193 Feb 12 2014 at 2:09 PM Rating: Excellent
That would explain your post count.

I don't want to buy reddit gold Aethien.
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I know I do. They're my favorite people/bots/NSA Google spies. Smiley: nod
How could you miss that?
They're too bogged down trying to find naughty images in lolgaxe's folder to appear much here?
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If this forum moved away from Zam, I think it would cease to exist before too long. It's already sickly, but if it's not at Zam it will have virtually no influx of new lurkers and posters and it will die.


There's an influx?

Yes. It's not keeping up with attrition but it's keeping the vultures at bay.

Also, what about when Totem shows up for his annual post and can't find the place?

What about Moe and Tare and them others?

Change is bad.

Anons at 82 and climbing. Smiley: smile

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Yes. It's not keeping up with attrition but it's keeping the vultures at bay.

Also, what about when Totem shows up for his annual post and can't find the place?

What about Moe and Tare and them others?

Change is bad.


Don't worry, I'm sure Kao is just overreacting. Source: All of his posts.
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If this forum moved away from Zam, I think it would cease to exist before too long. It's already sickly, but if it's not at Zam it will have virtually no influx of new lurkers and posters and it will die.


If all of us regulars here were to open a new forum we would have the same core people with the same thread topics we mostly frequent.

Video Game Sales.
Politic sh*t.
Weird sh*t.
Provoking and laughing at Gbaji.

Who needs Google or Zam when it is us posting folk who make the community.

Granted I am only here to hit 10K, if I have to start over again Id just stick to trolling Yahoo comments.

Edited, Feb 12th 2014 8:07pm by rdmcandie
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HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#201 Feb 12 2014 at 8:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Elinda wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
If this forum moved away from Zam, I think it would cease to exist before too long. It's already sickly, but if it's not at Zam it will have virtually no influx of new lurkers and posters and it will die.


There's an influx?

Yes. It's not keeping up with attrition but it's keeping the vultures at bay.

Most of those are varus and various others. It's not an influx, it's continually drinking our own ****.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
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