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#1 Feb 05 2014 at 10:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Not really a surprise of any kind ( well, to anyone but Gbaji )

It is interesting how easily the guy on chat admitted this. Just few months ago when I talked to a Clear (tm ) rep about potential change he would not dream of telling me what they throttle.

Times change, Verizon, ATT, Comcast officially do not have to care whether they block their content competitor. Hurray for free markets. Hurray, I says.Hip hip

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Oh boy, That individual is going to be meeting lots of new and interesting web packets in the next few days. Nice of him to let the bad guys know what cloud service packets to look for too.
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Well, in the defense of the bar, it was always low to begin with.
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The question is why. What does Verizon get out of waging this war? I understand Comcast and cable providers, because Netflix, Hulu and Amazon are competing products, but why Verizon? In fact, I kind of expected people to start jumping ship from cable companies entirely and moving to Verizon to escape the heavy-handed BS. I was going to be one of them. Right now I'm with local Blue Ridge cable but you can bet that if they start throttling my speeds, to ANYWHERE, I'll switch to DSL until I can move somewhere there's FIOs.

I already dropped cable TV entirely because the prices are out of control. The cable companies did this to themselves, and I really hope that Verizon is going to come down on the right side of this issue. Otherwise, we're not going to have ANY choices.

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Comcast is sending out notices that they will charge for going over 300 gb per month in the areas that they are allowed to do so. I'm OK with that, so long as they don't throttle anything.
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Why would you be okay with that? Smiley: dubious
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Why would you be okay with that? Smiley: dubious


I agree - content is getting larger, and if the cable companies are going to charge more (which they have been) they need to invest in better infrastructure. America is pretty far behind some other countries we claim to be superior to, and it's because companies get away with giving less service for more money and not putting any of their profits back into the infrastructure.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Why would you be okay with that? Smiley: dubious

Presumably because he doesn't come near to 300gb a month.

Actually, Comcast's services do have a theoretical cap (well below 300gb), Comcast just hasn't enforced it except in a few select markets.

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The question is why. What does Verizon get out of waging this war?

Money from Netflix, stupid. Were you repeatedly dropped as a child or something?
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The question is why. What does Verizon get out of waging this war?

Money from Netflix, stupid. Were you repeatedly dropped as a child or something?


It's because Verizon owns redbox, a netflix competitor.
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It's because Verizon owns redbox, a netflix competitor.

Yeah, no. Verizon is also a TV provider around here, also not the reason (assuming this even happening at all at this point). It's just a potential revenue stream, that's all.
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Torrence wrote:
The question is why. What does Verizon get out of waging this war? I understand Comcast and cable providers, because Netflix, Hulu and Amazon are competing products, but why Verizon? In fact, I kind of expected people to start jumping ship from cable companies entirely and moving to Verizon to escape the heavy-handed BS. I was going to be one of them. Right now I'm with local Blue Ridge cable but you can bet that if they start throttling my speeds, to ANYWHERE, I'll switch to DSL until I can move somewhere there's FIOs.

I already dropped cable TV entirely because the prices are out of control. The cable companies did this to themselves, and I really hope that Verizon is going to come down on the right side of this issue. Otherwise, we're not going to have ANY choices.

Edited, Feb 7th 2014 9:12am by Torrence


To use Gbaji's argument: the function of the corporation is to make money if they can. Verizon found another means to make money. Or at least save it for now. In short, because there is nothing stopping them.
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Sigh...

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This guy honestly doesn't understand why he's getting better network performance from business to a remote site than from his home? Really? Maybe it's because he's not a networking expert. Because if he was, he would have understood exactly why this is and why the "tests" he performed don't actually support the cart before the horse explanation he's trying to sell to people on his blog.

Did he test his network bandwidth from his home to other remote sites? Did he compare that to the network bandwidth from his business to those same remote sites? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it'll be faster in every single case. Not because of some nefarious action, but because the business account pays like 10 times more money for its internet access. If he wants to have high speed to everywhere on the internet, he can choose to pay more for it, just like his work does.

Um... duh.
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Torrence wrote:
The question is why. What does Verizon get out of waging this war?


They don't. Which is the first hint that this is people who start with a political agenda and then look for false signs they can use to convince people to agree with them. There is no unfair business practices involved. And if you can't noodle out why your home network might just suddenly get slower after 4PM, maybe you need to actually grow a few brain cells.
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Sigh...

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Sigh...

linked article wrote:
I’m not a networking expert...


This guy honestly doesn't understand why he's getting better network performance from business to a remote site than from his home? Really? Maybe it's because he's not a networking expert. Because if he was, he would have understood exactly why this is and why the "tests" he performed don't actually support the cart before the horse explanation he's trying to sell to people on his blog.

Did he test his network bandwidth from his home to other remote sites? Did he compare that to the network bandwidth from his business to those same remote sites? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it'll be faster in every single case. Not because of some nefarious action, but because the business account pays like 10 times more money for its internet access. If he wants to have high speed to everywhere on the internet, he can choose to pay more for it, just like his work does.

Um... duh.


The reason he is complaining is not that it is slower than the business account has faster internet, but because his is not exactly slow ( in theory 75 Mb/s -- it helps to read the entire thing ) and yet it would appear it is not sufficient. Surely, a networking expert such as yourself can explain to us, internet peons, how we should be grateful that VZ even ALLOWS us on their network.

I think even such an expert like you would agree that there is something wrong with fios doing 40kb/s; even if it is just a lowly pedestrian fios?

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angrymnk wrote:
I think even such an expert like you would agree that there is something wrong with fios doing 40kb/s; even if it is just a lowly pedestrian fios?


Because he shares a loop with like 1000 other home users. Seriously. Want to think again about why his performance suddenly slows down after 4PM everyday?

None of the tests he performed support the conclusion he's arguing.
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I think even such an expert like you would agree that there is something wrong with fios doing 40kb/s; even if it is just a lowly pedestrian fios?


Because he shares a loop with like 1000 other home users. Seriously. Want to think again about why his performance suddenly slows down after 4PM everyday?

None of the tests he performed support the conclusion he's arguing.


Was it 4pm? And even if it was, do you not think that when you pay for ADVERTISED speed, you should actually get what you pay for?
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I'll give you a hint: It's the same reason why you can't drive the posted speed limit on your local highway after say 4PM each day.
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I'll give you a hint: It's the same reason why you can't drive the posted speed limit on your local highway after say 4PM each day.


Yes, the difference is NTHSA does not advertise traffic flows leading you to believe that you will fly over the continent at exorbitant speeds ( all while doing other things too ). Apples to apples, please.

Maybe some company should invest in infrastructure if they advertise the speeds they can't deliver?

I cut the insults. I am trying to be kosher.

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angrymnk wrote:
Was it 4pm?


Did you read the article beyond "rar! Net neutrality!!!"? He specifically stated this:

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I’ve since tested this almost every day for the last couple of weeks. During the day – the bandwidth is normal to AWS. However, after 4pm or so – things get slow.


He get's "normal" performance from his home network. Until 4PM rolls around, then it gets "slow". Gee. We can assume that Verizon has decided to engage in a nefarious plot in which they throttle network speed to AWS, but only after 4PM for some reason *or* we can make the vastly more reasonable assumption that after 4PM, a ton more people hop on their home internet and it makes it slow for him.

Which could it be! It's just so hard to do this whole "critical thinking" thing.

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And even if it was, do you not think that when you pay for ADVERTISED speed, you should actually get what you pay for?


Dunno. What was the advertised speed? Nowhere in the article does he mention that he paid for a contract with his ISP which guaranteed him any specific speed. Do you see that? I don't. He does, however, say that he gets "normal" speed during the day. So...?
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gbaji wrote:
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Was it 4pm?


Did you read the article beyond "rar! Net neutrality!!!"? He specifically stated this:

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I’ve since tested this almost every day for the last couple of weeks. During the day – the bandwidth is normal to AWS. However, after 4pm or so – things get slow.


He get's "normal" performance from his home network. Until 4PM rolls around, then it gets "slow". Gee. We can assume that Verizon has decided to engage in a nefarious plot in which they throttle network speed to AWS, but only after 4PM for some reason *or* we can make the vastly more reasonable assumption that after 4PM, a ton more people hop on their home internet and it makes it slow for him.

Which could it be! It's just so hard to do this whole "critical thinking" thing.

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And even if it was, do you not think that when you pay for ADVERTISED speed, you should actually get what you pay for?


Dunno. What was the advertised speed? Nowhere in the article does he mention that he paid for a contract with his ISP which guaranteed him any specific speed. Do you see that? I don't. He does, however, say that he gets "normal" speed during the day. So...?


So are you telling me that 40 kb/s is acceptable speed from fios?

Quick breakdown from their own website.

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I'll give you a hint: It's the same reason why you can't drive the posted speed limit on your local highway after say 4PM each day.


Yes, the difference is NTHSA does not advertise traffic flows leading you to believe that you will fly over the continent at exorbitant speeds ( all while doing other things too ).


Sure they do. They post these signs on the side of the **** road every mile telling me how fast I can go. That's the "advertised speed" of the highway, right? So how dare they lie to me! I should be able to drive that fast every day at any time of the day, no matter what! Road neutrality man! Power to the people!

Seriously though, how is a speed limit sign any different than paying for an ISP connection which advertises "up to 100mbs bandwidth!". It's the same **** thing. And it's the "up to" part that you need to pay attention to. See, when businesses pay through the nose for guaranteed bandwidth. They pay that vastly higher rate because they are actually paying for "guaranteed bandwidth".

Guess what? It takes like 100 times longer for me to just load up the google front page at home than at work (seriously, I get frustrated at how slow my home network is compared to work). Clearly that must be the result of my ISP engaging in unfair network throttling practices. Oh wait! It's not. It's slower cause... wait for it... it's a home network. I'm free to pay a few thousand dollars a month to get some high speed guaranteed bandwidth, but it's not worth that much just to make google load faster.

FIOS just means that's the hardware layer type. Says nothing about how much bandwidth you actually get and you're a fool if you think otherwise.
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