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#52 Jan 28 2014 at 8:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Except most people don't really see it as such and the biggest ball o' mud ("Benghazi!") hasn't really been sticking.
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Except most people don't really see it as such and the biggest ball o' mud ("Benghazi!") hasn't really been sticking.


I'm sure it hasn't been sticking on MSNBC. And yet, people keep talking about it. It's almost like just saying something isn't a story doesn't automatically make that true.
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#54 Jan 28 2014 at 9:06 PM Rating: Default
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Except most people don't really see it as such and the biggest ball o' mud ("Benghazi!") hasn't really been sticking.


I'm sure it hasn't been sticking on MSNBC. And yet, people keep talking about it. It's almost like just saying something isn't a story doesn't automatically make that true.


Yet Fox News continues to complain how every new piece of news got more air time than Benghazi.....
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"People" being the GOP. It's almost like insisting it's a story doesn't make people care or believe you.

Clinton's sitting on a +10 favorability rating. Do you really think there's just that many people who haven't heard about Benghazi yet? I mean, that's fine and all and I suppose there's not much point in arguing over something a few years out but it baffles me how fervently people cling to this. Guess it's the great hope for taking Clinton down.
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And yet, people keep talking about it.
They're called "conservatives." You know, people you pretend to be similar to.
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Someone forgot to mention Benghazi in the SotU last night.



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#58 Jan 29 2014 at 7:54 AM Rating: Default
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That depends on which channel you were watching.....
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'm sure it hasn't been sticking on MSNBC. And yet, people keep talking about it. It's almost like just saying something isn't a story doesn't automatically make that true.

Refresh my memory, what's the false thing I'm supposed to think might be true, again? I hear so little about it, I've sort of forgotten. Clinton encouraged the USMC guards to join the attack to build diplomatic ties or something?
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'm sure it hasn't been sticking on MSNBC. And yet, people keep talking about it. It's almost like just saying something isn't a story doesn't automatically make that true.

Refresh my memory, what's the false thing I'm supposed to think might be true, again? I hear so little about it, I've sort of forgotten. Clinton encouraged the USMC guards to join the attack to build diplomatic ties or something?


Republican take:

1) Clinton knew (or should have known) about the danger and did nothing.

2) After the attack she tried to coverup what they knew about it.

3) We should hold her, and the rest of the administration, responsible for their actions.

Democratic take:

1) Terrorists launched a surprise attack and killed some of our people.

2) In the confusion immediately following the attack inaccurate information got conveyed, and were sorry about that.

3) We're working with our allies to hold the terrorists responsible for their actions.

Everyone else's take:

1) Some more of our people got killed in the middle east.

2) No one can give me a straight answer about what happened, or why this is important.

3) Where's my beer, the football game is on.
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#61 Jan 29 2014 at 3:47 PM Rating: Default
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1) Clinton knew (or should have known) about the danger and did nothing.


The funny thing is, it can't be both, yet she is accused of both.
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Democratic take:

1) Terrorists launched a surprise attack and killed some of our people.


Yup. Like one week after Obama launched his whole "Al Queda is defeated" campaign. Surely you can see how there might be some motivation within the Obama administration to downplay the global terrorism angle and perhaps upsell the idea that this was an isolated incident arising from a protest in response to a video?

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2) In the confusion immediately following the attack inaccurate information got conveyed, and were sorry about that.


Even if we accept the idea that this was just an honest mistake that happened to blame the whole thing on a filmmaker rather than any sort of increase in terrorist activity in the region, that does not explain why the white house was still trying to sell that false narrative 5 days later. And even if we accept that this was also just an honest mistake, it does not explain why the president himself continued to try to sell this story a week or so after the general "WTF?" response to Rice's media blub.

I'd say it was less "confusion" and more "wishful thinking" on the part of the Obama administration. They wanted it to be about a protest, so they pushed that narrative far far after it was abundantly obvious that this wasn't remotely true.

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Yeah. Really not the point though. As I've said in the past, the big killer for Clinton is (and will be) her on camera diatribe about "why does it matter?!" in response to the issue of why our embassy was attacked. Regardless of what sequence of events occurred which lead to the attack, and the response after wards, one should hope that determining what actually happened and why should be a principle job requirement for someone in the position of Secretary of State. Failing to learn why it happened would seem to be a job failure. Yet she basically told a congressional hearing that her job didn't really matter to her.

That's a big deal for someone trying to be president, right? It should matter whether those who attacked our embassy did so as a result of a planned campaign against us, or a random spur of the moment thing. For her to question why it matters tells us that she either doesn't understand the job she was doing, or didn't care about the job she was doing. So why the **** should we reward her with an even more important job?
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Yup. Like one week after Obama launched his whole "Al Queda is defeated" campaign.

ooooookay. I follow terrorism news pretty closely and I have ZERO idea what this means. No one in the administration has said "Al Queda is defeated". Ever. Did you mean "on the path to defeat" or the like, something that's been said universally since Sept 12, 2001? I'm legitimately confused. If your outreach to voters relies on their "knowledge" of the "hypocrisy" here and how it sets up the desire to cover up an inconvenient truth....GOOD FUCKING LUCK WITH THAT.
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Yup. Like one week after Obama launched his whole "Al Queda is defeated" campaign.

ooooookay. I follow terrorism news pretty closely and I have ZERO idea what this means.


Oh Jesus. Don't be coy Smash. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Obama was just ramping up his "OBL is dead and GM is alive" rhetoric. His stump speech highlighted just how much Al queda was "on the run" and "decimated", and made constant references to OBL being dead. He was very clearly cashing in on this angle as part of his campaign.

Then Benghazi happened. It's not hard to see why the Obama campaign would desperately want the American public to believe that the attack happened for any reason other than some kind of resurgence of terrorism directed at the US. And the whole "protest over a video that got out of hand" bit was just too convenient.
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They're muddling the story as much as they can, throwing in snippets of their own here and there in hopes whatever mangled mess they come up with work to their advantage. I'd imagine by 2016, whoever is running for the Democratic ticket by then will have murdered those four guys with his or her bare hands, right here on American soil-- and they'll still refer to it as "Benghazi." Unless there is a *** scandal. Maybe Obama's wife's cousin's sister's friend's 18 year old grandson will get in trouble for having *** with his 16 year old girlfriend. It's all Hilary's fault.

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Oh yeah, the 16 year old girl is white.

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Oh Jesus. Don't be coy Smash. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

I really don't.


Obama was just ramping up his "OBL is dead and GM is alive" rhetoric. His stump speech highlighted just how much Al queda was "on the run" and "decimated", and made constant references to OBL being dead. He was very clearly cashing in on this angle as part of his campaign.


Wait, I think I understand now. You think the attack in Libya created a Zombie Bin Laden, who arose from the depths of the sea like some grim leviathan, his sites set on destroying freedom. Now the urgency around this from that side makes more sense. Well sit down, little guy, I hate to break this to you, but that didn't actually happen. Bin Laden still dead. Massive Obama accomplishment completely intact.

Then Benghazi happened. It's not hard to see why the Obama campaign would desperately want the American public to believe that the attack happened for any reason other than some kind of resurgence of terrorism directed at the US. And the whole "protest over a video that got out of hand" bit was just too convenient.

I vaguely remember that part. I'm reasonably sure I posted "that's an idiotic idea" immediately.

Of course, the best part about this, is that it made Romney a liar on national TV during the debate and drove home how out of touch he was. That was awesome, do you remember? When he forgot reality and had to be corrected by Candy Crowley? Hard to imagine how he could have been so foolish. Probably just overconfident because of his massive lead in the polls at the time.

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They're muddling the story as much as they can, throwing in snippets of their own here and there in hopes whatever mangled mess they come up with work to their advantage.


Honestly, there's no muddling required. The video of Clinton's outburst at the congressional hearings is pretty damning, and arguably election career ending. It's just too powerful and too easy for an opponent to use. And it's hard for her to get around. It's her directly saying that it doesn't matter why our ambassador was killed.

That's seriously the ball game. Say what you will about any other aspect of the Benghazi attack and its political ramifications, that video is incredibly harmful to any future political career for Clinton. The faithful liberals will dismiss and/or ignore it, but if you could win national elections with just that group we wouldn't be talking about whether or not Obama lied when he said you could keep your health insurance. It will haunt any election run by Clinton.
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They're muddling the story as much as they can, throwing in snippets of their own here and there in hopes whatever mangled mess they come up with work to their advantage.


it doesn't matter why our ambassador was killed.
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The faithful liberals will dismiss and/or ignore it, but if you could win national elections with just that group we wouldn't be talking about whether or not Obama lied when he said you could keep your health insurance.

Ooohh, I hope Obama wins his next election!
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The faithful liberals will dismiss and/or ignore it, but if you could win national elections with just that group we wouldn't be talking about whether or not Obama lied when he said you could keep your health insurance.

Are we talking about that? I need to hang out with the average Fox News viewer more, clearly. Where can I find a terrified 70 year old white guy? Dennys?
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I need to hang out with the average Fox News viewer more, clearly. Where can I find a terrified 70 year old white guy? Dennys?

Chick-fil-A should do in a pinch.
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The faithful liberals will dismiss and/or ignore it, but if you could win national elections with just that group we wouldn't be talking about whether or not Obama lied when he said you could keep your health insurance.

Are we talking about that? I need to hang out with the average Fox News viewer more, clearly. Where can I find a terrified 70 year old white guy? Dennys?


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Mostly places with dying and/or incontinent people.
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Mostly places with dying and/or incontinent people.


Walmart. Just camp the electric motor carts.
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gbaji wrote:
The faithful liberals will dismiss and/or ignore it, but if you could win national elections with just that group we wouldn't be talking about whether or not Obama lied when he said you could keep your health insurance.

Ooohh, I hope Obama wins his next election!

Sort of serious question, could Obama (or any other former president) run for senator or some other elected position or is being a president for 8 years the end of that line?
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Mostly places with dying and/or incontinent people.


Isn't that what I said?
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