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#27 Jan 14 2014 at 3:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Like Obama.
Exactly, he had a much more appealing persona. I can see Christie as capable, but he seems to be lacking a broad appeal. Who knows though, he still has time to reinvent himself.

Bush: Straight-talking cowboy ruggedness.
Obama: Overcoming adversity, historic moment.
Christie: Angry fat guy. <--- Need something better here.

Edited, Jan 14th 2014 1:45pm by someproteinguy
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#28 Jan 14 2014 at 5:46 PM Rating: Default
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jimbrown45 wrote:
Like Obama.
Exactly, he had a much more appealing persona. I can see Christie as capable, but he seems to be lacking a broad appeal. Who knows though, he still has time to reinvent himself.

Bush: Straight-talking cowboy ruggedness.
Obama: Overcoming adversity, historic moment.
Christie: Angry fat guy. <--- Need something better here.

Edited, Jan 14th 2014 1:45pm by someproteinguy


I wouldn't underestimate the angry fat guys; as a demographic they are clearly gaining majority. It is very relatable in a 'guy like me kind of stupidity'.
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#29 Jan 15 2014 at 6:16 AM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
Christie: Angry fat guy. <--- Need something better here.
Don't know, kind of worked in Teddy's favor. Bully.
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#30 Jan 15 2014 at 7:38 AM Rating: Good
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Like Obama. No Republican will win a national election for a very long time, if ever. Numbers don't support the GOP. Over half the nation is dependent on government in some capacity. And the Dems have all these people locked up and Obama's increasing their numbers at an exponential rate. By the time Obama's done 60% of this national will be receiving some sort of government aid.


Well it's closer to 100%, really. I mean the home mortgage interest tax deduction is a massive welfare program, not to mention underwriting of said same mortgages. When you add in gurantees for student loans you end up with about 19 or 20 ultra rich douche-bags who haven't collected welfare.
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#31 Jan 15 2014 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good
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Christie: Angry fat guy. <--- Need something better here.
Don't know, kind of worked in Teddy's favor. Bully.

I've always viewed Christie as more of a jovial chubby guy.

Bush -> rugged. Really?


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#32 Jan 15 2014 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good
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Don't know, kind of worked in Teddy's favor. Bully.

Angry is fine. Christie is really fat though. REALLY fat. "loses every televised debate immediately" fat. William Howard Taft fat. That's not going to work in 2016. He needs to Huckabee that **** really soon to not be laughed off the stage in 2016. Again, no chance, regardless, but definitely way too fat to even consider at the moment.
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#33 Jan 15 2014 at 8:16 AM Rating: Good
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Unfortunately we still tend to view obesity as a sign of poor character rather than as a disease that needs treatment.

But Smash is correct in this.
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Hey just keep adding whatever you like. I mean clearly you think getting a welfare check is the same as taking an interest tax deduction on a house you've already paid taxes on to begin with.

But I suppose it helps you sleep at night living the lie that everyone is on the take rather than primarily just the people you associate with politically.


Spoken like someone who went to a public university but doesn't realize that was welfare. Oh well, I don't expect takers like you to have self awareness. Noblesse oblige and all that.
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Hey just keep adding whatever you like. I mean clearly you think getting a welfare check is the same as taking an interest tax deduction on a house you've already paid taxes on to begin with.

But I suppose it helps you sleep at night living the lie that everyone is on the take rather than primarily just the people you associate with politically.


Spoken like someone who went to a public university but doesn't realize that was welfare. Oh well, I don't expect takers like you to have self awareness. Noblesse oblige and all that.


Doesn't change the fact that there's a pretty significant difference between paying less in taxes versus receiving a check from the government far in excess of anything paid in. I think it's kinda pointless to argue over labels while ignoring the large facts of the issue. "Takers" are those who receive more from the government than they pay. That's what he was talking about (in an admittedly ham fisted way, but whatever). As the percentage of people who receive more than they pay increases, those people are more likely to be beholden to the political party that is essentially paying them for their votes.


That's a valid argument to make, IMO. The Dems have shifted over time from arguing for their political ideology, to just scaring people about their government benefits (basically holding them over them). It's really hard to not see that Dems are doing exactly what we conservatives have argued for decades is the danger of government funded welfare. It becomes a means to control the population. Once you make people dependent on those benefits, you can control them. And every time a Democrat says something like "Don't vote GOP, or they'll cut your benefits!", they're exercising that control. From a conservative point of view, the correct course of action is to not provide those benefits in the first place, and then the government can't use them as a tool to control people. But heaven forbid we care about people's freedoms.

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I think it's kinda pointless to argue over labels
Says the guy who uses the word liberal like a comma.
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I think it's kinda pointless to argue over labels
Says the guy who uses the word liberal like a comma.


But I'm not ignoring the larger issues when I do, so no problem, right?
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I learned something today. The maximum time someone can be on TANF (current term for welfare) is five years.

So, even if someone is raising their children at home since they can't afford child care sitting on their duff and collecting government benefits instead of working, the teat gets chopped off.

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#42 Jan 15 2014 at 6:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Christie must not be too tough. I had to listen to Limbaugh go on for far too long today about how mean ole Bruce Springsteen is a big meanie-head and hurt Christie's feelings and made him cry because liberals are big meanie jerkie-jerk-jerk-sauces. Who are mean. To Chris Christie.
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#43 Jan 15 2014 at 6:27 PM Rating: Good
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Doesn't change the fact that there's a pretty significant difference between paying less in taxes versus receiving a check from the government far in excess of anything paid in. I think it's kinda pointless to argue over labels while ignoring the large facts of the issue. "Takers" are those who receive more from the government than they pay.

Right, like people that get 30 year mortgages for ****** San Diego condos. Such instruments don't exist without Fannie Mae. Takers like that?
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Doesn't change the fact that there's a pretty significant difference between paying less in taxes versus receiving a check from the government far in excess of anything paid in. I think it's kinda pointless to argue over labels while ignoring the large facts of the issue. "Takers" are those who receive more from the government than they pay.

Right, like people that get 30 year mortgages for sh*tty San Diego condos. Such instruments don't exist without Fannie Mae. Takers like that?


I'm reasonably certain that 30 year mortgages with 20% down would exist with or without Fannie Mae. Don't confuse the fact that the government has increasingly stepped into regulating the lending market with the assumption that lending would not exist without the government. It would, and would arguably be far less prone to the kinds of disasters we experienced a few years back.


And having said that, "takers" in this context means getting more from the government than you pay. Regardless of the governments involvement in creating/regulating the loan instrument itself, the person taking out the loan still pays more in taxes than he gets back in deduction. It's a deduction. By definition, it can't pay more money than the person paid in taxes. The best it can do is make you pay zero taxes (income taxes anyway). This is completely different than receiving a welfare check of some kind. That's money paid to you, period. Not a reduction in the amount you pay.

I'm sure that this is the point where you argue that the value of what government does for the people as a whole is so incredibly vast that everyone is a "taker", so let me respond ahead of time with "that's not what we're talking about". It's about direct dollars paid versus taken. Whether we collectively gain more benefits from our public education or transportation or whatever dollars than it costs us is a completely different question. We're talking about an individual, and how much money he pays to the government versus how much money the government directly pays to him. No amount of tax deductions makes someone a taker. A person who pays zero dollars in taxes while receiving tens of thousands of dollars in direct benefits is.

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Christie must not be too tough. I had to listen to Limbaugh go on for far too long today about how mean ole Bruce Springsteen is a big meanie-head and hurt Christie's feelings and made him cry because liberals are big meanie jerkie-jerk-jerk-sauces. Who are mean. To Chris Christie.


Rush comes in strong down here. The station up north that plays his shows barely comes in. I try listening to him... but I can't tell when he's ranting about current issues, or when he's trying to sell gold/silver, home security, or identity protection, to people afraid of Liberals. Or maybe the two categories aren't mutually exclusive.
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I'm reasonably certain that 30 year mortgages with 20% down would exist with or without Fannie Mae.

You are dead fucking wrong. I know you operate from blissful ignorance, but look into the history of the 30 year mortgage sometime. Not really a partisan issue, there's no reason to take on the aggregate risk involved without Fannie and Freddie and banks wouldn't. To own a house you'd have to basically be able to pay cash or close to it. A good argument could be made that having to do that would have avoided home price bubbles funneled money to places other than real estate speculation and be better generally for the economy, but that's a separate issue. There is zero chance, ZERO that banks could make 30 year loans without broad guarantees. Certainly not against 80% LTV at prime +2 or whatever.

Edited, Jan 15th 2014 7:56pm by Smasharoo
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when he's trying to sell gold/silver, home security, or identity protection, to people afraid of Liberals.

The commercials are fascinating. My favorite is the dog vitamins where the testimonials are always "Them fancy science vet types gave me all sorts of terrible advice and done near killed my dog. Then I tried these here simple vitamins made by common folk and my dog is better than ever!" It's custom made for the conservative anti-science mindset.
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The commercials are fascinating. My favorite is the dog vitamins where the testimonials are always "Them fancy science vet types gave me all sorts of terrible advice and done near killed my dog. Then I tried these here simple vitamins made by common folk and my dog is better than ever!" It's custom made for the conservative anti-science mindset.

No idea if it's market specific but all of the conservative talk commercial breaks here are basically:

Limp ****? Owe taxes? Buy gold! Buy newsletter! Getting divorced? Going bald? On an endless loop. Leads one to conclude that the demographic is basically impotent men who are bad at paying taxes. Who are getting divorced.
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The "owe taxes?" one is always good for a chuckle out of me. What can I say, they know their demo.

I liked the silver ones after the market tumbled: "Now you can buy silver on sale! For less than the cost of production!" Makin' lemonade and all that.
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Leads one to conclude that the demographic is basically impotent men who are bad at paying taxes. Who are getting divorced.


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Leads one to conclude that the demographic is basically impotent men who are bad at paying taxes. Who are getting divorced.


Cause, meet effect.


Women hate men who are bad at paying taxes.
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