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#1 Jan 13 2014 at 3:46 AM Rating: Decent
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What are your Governor Christie predictions?

My predictions are as follows:

1. No evidence of his participation, but proof of his knowledge
2. No one says nuttin....Christie gets by with little damage and moves on to run for 2016
#2 Jan 13 2014 at 6:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Same thing that always seems to happen in these cases: some underling will throw himself on the grenade and be summarily dismissed. Christie will live down the stink.
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#3 Jan 13 2014 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
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I don't think he'll suffer much. If the proceeding investigations are kept low-key and don't find anything terribly damning, the public will have forgotten all about it by spring.
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#4 Jan 13 2014 at 7:57 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Same thing that always seems to happen in these cases: some underling will throw himself on the grenade and be summarily dismissed. Christie will live down the stink.


That's already pretty much what happened. Problem is, the other underlings getting caught up in this have little loyalty to him. The one who pled the fifth, Wildstein I think it was, has been offered immunity to squeal like a pig. He's still in talks with lawyers.

What gets me is the stupidity of coordinating this by email. All it took was perfectly legal requests by citizens for the emails to uncover the whole rat's nest.

Edited, Jan 13th 2014 9:04am by Catwho
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#5 Jan 13 2014 at 8:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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What gets me is the stupidity of coordinating this by email. All it took was perfectly legal requests by citizens for the emails to uncover the whole rat's nest.


Doesn't surprise me a bit. People are generally ignorant about how very permanent an email trail can be.

If you have any experience with electronic forensics or discovery, you quickly learn that people will say anything in email, and be absolutely confident that they've covered their own tracks by deleting it. After it's been sent, forwarded, archived, etc. etc. etc.
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Doesn't surprise me a bit. People are generally ignorant about how very permanent an email trail can be.

If you have any experience with electronic forensics or discovery, you quickly learn that people will say anything in email, and be absolutely confident that they've covered their own tracks by deleting it. After it's been sent, forwarded, archived, etc. etc. etc.


This is actually why I prefer email. At my old job, I would save every email I got, even the ones that just said "thank you" after I sent someone something. A co-worker asked me about that once, and I said, "They can't deny that I sent it to them or that it got lost somehow this way."
#7 Jan 13 2014 at 11:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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What gets me is the stupidity of coordinating this by email. All it took was perfectly legal requests by citizens for the emails to uncover the whole rat's nest.
This is what happens when people sit around inside all day. GO OUTDOORS AND TALK TO OTHERS IN PERSON YOU FREAKS!

Kids these days... Smiley: disappointed

It'll be interesting to see how far up it went and how many people have to take a hit to blunt the charge. It'll erode his support structure at the very least, less loyal minions around to sacrifice next time something blows up. Now seeing we're moving on to a Sandy money scandal it makes me wonder who's been sitting on what for how long, and how much of it there is.

Should be some good dramas.

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#8 Jan 13 2014 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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I heard about that too. Something about the winning bid of the marketing firm for the revitalized Jersey Shore costing 2.2 million more than the next lowest bidder. The firm that was chosen featured Chris Christie in the advertisements - during his re-election campaign. The losing bid did not. Smiley: tinfoilhat
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What it does, at least short term, is undermine the "Straight talking guy who might be brash but gets things done" persona he's created for himself. People don't mind (or maybe even respect) an in-your-face attitude that gets results but they mind political vendettas that affect them personally.

Whether any of this will matter in 2016, who knows. We spent 2004 talking about some medals Kerry earned in the 1960s/70s and 2008 dissecting a sermon from a guy from 2001. So who knows trivial stuff will pop back up in 2016.
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At least it went out to bid. My guess is, if they had a bidding process, that there is something on record to justify the award of the contract - even if it is cheesy reasoning.

I think the dems are probably on a bit of a Christie-witch hunt right now.

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At least it went out to bid. My guess is, if they had a bidding process, that there is something on record to justify the award of the contract - even if it is cheesy reasoning.

I think the dems are probably on a bit of a Christie-witch hunt right now.

Visual of the lane closure.


That cheesy reasoning cost US taxpayers 2.2 million dollars of money that was designated for Superstorm Sandy relief efforts. I don't think the feds care what NJ does with NJ's money, but that cheesy reason had better be rock solid to be worth two million bucks.
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#12 Jan 13 2014 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
At least it went out to bid. My guess is, if they had a bidding process, that there is something on record to justify the award of the contract - even if it is cheesy reasoning.

I think the dems are probably on a bit of a Christie-witch hunt right now.

Visual of the lane closure.


That cheesy reasoning cost US taxpayers 2.2 million dollars of money that was designated for Superstorm Sandy relief efforts. I don't think the feds care what NJ does with NJ's money, but that cheesy reason had better be rock solid to be worth two million bucks.

The cheesy reasoning I thought was to give one company the contract over another. The ads themselves were supposedly approved by the feds - I'm assuming before it even went out to bid.

Honestly, I don't know anything about the situation, only that if there is a bid process then there is likely some justification for giving the contract out.






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What are your Governor Christie predictions?



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People are generally ignorant about how very permanent an email trail can be.
Most people are pretty ignorant about how forum posting works, too. They seem to believe it's the same as regular conversation, and that given enough time what they say will be forgotten.
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Samira wrote:
People are generally ignorant about how very permanent an email trail can be.
Most people are pretty ignorant about how forum posting works, too. They seem to believe it's the same as regular conversation, and that given enough time what they say will be forgotten.


Wait, it doesn't automagically disappear like that instagram thingy?
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#18 Jan 13 2014 at 10:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I predict that, once the public gets over the shock of discovering high-level corruption in New Jersey, they will soon pay more attention to another breaking story: new mayor Di Blasio's treasonous act of eating a slice of pizza...with a fork!
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Well, I wouldn't eat real pizza with a fork but I guess eating the New York stuff with a fork is okay.
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Well, I wouldn't eat real pizza with a fork but I guess eating the New York stuff with a fork is okay.
You should realize that while those are English words, in that combination its just nonsensical gibberish that no one can decipher.
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It's Chicago style you eat with a knife and fork. Duh.
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Christie was only ever a viable '16 candidate in the minds of the chattering classes. There was and is 0 chance he could make it through that primary process. This is better for everyone concerned, really. The "if only we could elect a moderate" pundits have a new McCain to pine over without the complications of the idiot in question making it to the national stage and being exposed as a petty hack. The narrative of the '16 GOP loss writes itself really.
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I predict that, once the public gets over the shock of discovering high-level corruption in New Jersey
Smiley: dubious

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Christie was only ever a viable '16 candidate in the minds of the chattering classes. There was and is 0 chance he could make it through that primary process. This is better for everyone concerned, really. The "if only we could elect a moderate" pundits have a new McCain to pine over without the complications of the idiot in question making it to the national stage and being exposed as a petty hack. The narrative of the '16 GOP loss writes itself really.
Not only that but the "tough-talking" thing doesn't fly as well elsewhere in the country. It's nice he's moderate and all, but the whole persona comes off as being an ill-mannered jerk who you'd rather not have as president. They need more of a George Bush personality to appeal to the ignorant masses.

Edited, Jan 14th 2014 8:59am by someproteinguy
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Catwho wrote:
What gets me is the stupidity of coordinating this by email. All it took was perfectly legal requests by citizens for the emails to uncover the whole rat's nest.


Person A: "Yea, did you uh take care of that thing?"

Person B: "I took care of that thing"

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