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#1 Jan 06 2014 at 1:29 PM Rating: Good
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Multi-Level Marketing is the business model used by Avon, Tupperware, Amway, Herballife etc. The model is built on levels of distributors. If one were to make a visual of the distribution of distributors it would like very much like a pyramid.

In the world of supply -demand economics it's not really a viable model due to product demand, market saturation etc. Yet the companies themselves survive.

In 1979 The FTC ruled that Amway, as long as it maintained a certain level of sales of it's products to the general public and quit fudging the amount of money it's distributor's were making, was not a pyramid scheme.

Most recently Herbalife has been coming under fire for it's business plan. Some market speculators think the pyramid is getting ready to collapse.

Do you buy stuff from an MLM or have you ever sold stuff for them? Maybe recruited an underling, etc?

I have a bunch of Tupperware I bought in high school when a girlfriend decided to be a seller. I still have some it. The stuffs expensive but will seriously last you forever. My mom used to have all sorts of home parties where stuff was being sold - I remember not only Avon and Tupperware, but Sarah Coventry Jewelry and Home Decor stuff (not sure of the name). Most all of these companies would tempt you to be a distributor so you could get a discount on all the stuff they convinced you that you needed to have.

I never contemplated being a seller/distributor, but I'm really bad at salesmanship.




Edited, Jan 6th 2014 9:38pm by Elinda
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#2 Jan 06 2014 at 1:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
I have a bunch of Tupperware I bought in high school when a girlfriend decided to be a seller. I still have some it. The stuffs expensive but will seriously last you forever.
Goodness we have some tupperware we use regularly that must be a good 40 years old. Plastic, it's powerful stuff.

Other than that though, I remember my mom doing the Avon thing for a bit when I was a kid. It didn't last long though. Sales were hard to come by, and the town was pretty saturated with people selling stuff at that point in time. Like all those scams that went through our school for fundraising, sell stuff and some of the money goes back to the school. Like a few free jump-ropes or balls for the gym or something for all that hassling my neighbors. They must have loved us. At least the girl scouts had tasty stuff. Smiley: lol

I had to google Herbalife. Smiley: blush
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#3 Jan 06 2014 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
I don't. The products are overpriced, the sales people pushy, and in the case of Herbalife, it's just a giant scam.

My oldest sister just tried to get me in on a MLM thing for some herbal supplement she takes. I told her I could go to the plant store, obtain the specific herbs in her fancy blend, dry them out, and make a six months supply of the herbal mix myself for about $20.

(But the potency! the purity! this is concentrated! they wail.)

#4 Jan 06 2014 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
I have a cousin who has fallen under the wing of some MLM movement. He goes to conferences and posts things on Facebook like, "TGIM, Thank God It's Monday!! Do your best today!"

I've been pretty worried about him, as he wanted to be a doctor and has dropped out of college to do this, thinking he's going to be rich. He shares articles about what the "wealthy" do that others don't. I used to think he was smart.

As far as I know, he's still living at home with his dad.

ETA: The place is called Leadership Team Development, and I have absolutely NO IDEA what they're supposed to be doing.

Edited, Jan 6th 2014 2:34pm by Belkira
#5 Jan 06 2014 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
I think I read the "what the wealthy do that the poor don't" article.

The problem is that they confused correlation with causation. Yeah, the wealthy read more nonfiction books each year. If it's anything like my job, they get to count that reading as work time. (I'm slogging through Land on your feet, not on your face at the moment myself. For work.)
#6 Jan 06 2014 at 4:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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My friend's wife spent some time doing some candle crap. Fortunately, I was a single male at the time and wasn't really in her target demo for scented candles.

A cousin of mine did Pampered Chef. Eventually gave away a bunch of kitchen utensil crap.

My wife was invited to a "party" by a friend which turned out to be some stealth MLM thing for sex toys. Because there's no way that could be uncomfortable. "Welcome to my party! Wanna buy a *****? Or maybe get into the ***** sales industry?"
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#7 Jan 06 2014 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
I've been to one of the "sex parties" before. They're actually kind of fun, if the sales lady is good at her job. It wasn't a friend doing the selling, though. It was some place you contacted to come and host the party at your house. I think it was a bridal shower or something. They had all kind of stuff, vibrators, ***** and ****** wind-up toys, ***** pasta, french ticklers, lingerie. I got this neat feather with some chocolate-flavored powder. You were supposed to use the feather to dust it over your partner then lick it off. The powder tasted awful, but the feather was a lot of fun.

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This wasn't a bridal shower, it was just presented as a "Come on by on Friday night, a bunch of us are getting together!" type thing.
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#9 Jan 06 2014 at 4:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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#10 Jan 06 2014 at 5:26 PM Rating: Good
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#11 Jan 06 2014 at 5:42 PM Rating: Good
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The problem is that they confused correlation with causation.

No, the more likely explanation is that Tom Corley and Dave Ramsey are liars.

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#12 Jan 06 2014 at 5:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Catwho wrote:
The problem is that they confused correlation with causation.

No, the more likely explanation is that Tom Corley and Dave Ramsey are liars.

Edited, Jan 6th 2014 5:43pm by Allegory
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#13 Jan 06 2014 at 5:55 PM Rating: Good
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One of my distant relatives (2nd, 3rd cousin? Can't remember) got into some MLM Cash for Gold thing. Would host "Gold Parties" and constantly spam Facebook about how you could join her and make tons of money (and of course she'd take some sort of cut). All you had to do was pay for this kit and testing material, and get your friends to come to you with all their gold so you could tell them what it was worth and give them cash for it all.

I never bothered talking to her about it, and eventually had to remove her from my friends list. But I was kind of curious what sort of rip off price they were offering for the gold they received, after every "tier" took there cut from the true value.
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#14 Jan 06 2014 at 8:09 PM Rating: Good
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They had all kind of stuff, vibrators, ***** and ****** wind-up toys, ***** pasta, french ticklers, lingerie.
Chef Boyardee is getting weird.
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#15 Jan 06 2014 at 10:52 PM Rating: Good
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My old roommate got into both Amway, which I told him was a pyramid scheme, and worked the Cutco "Knife Job" for a bit. To be fair, the knife job was vector marketing rather than MLM, but still a really dumb thing to get into, IMO.
#16 Jan 07 2014 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
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One of my distant relatives (2nd, 3rd cousin? Can't remember) got into some MLM Cash for Gold thing. Would host "Gold Parties" and constantly spam Facebook about how you could join her and make tons of money (and of course she'd take some sort of cut). All you had to do was pay for this kit and testing material, and get your friends to come to you with all their gold so you could tell them what it was worth and give them cash for it all.

I never bothered talking to her about it, and eventually had to remove her from my friends list. But I was kind of curious what sort of rip off price they were offering for the gold they received, after every "tier" took there cut from the true value.


Sounds like a solid business plan on all levels. "My friends will never ever run out of gold they want to sell me at below market value!"
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#17 Jan 07 2014 at 3:46 PM Rating: Good
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My sister was trying to sell herbalife for a time. I'm not really sure what her long term plan was with it, but thankfully it fizzled before she got in too deep. There's still a ton of junk herbalife products between her house and my mom's that I assume she ended up paying for herself. She doesn't talk much about it, but I remember seeing the labels and thinking "wow this is some craps".

#18 Jan 07 2014 at 4:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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I plan on starting a 3d printer pyramid scam eventually. I'll print a 3d printer to sell to someone for an insane amount of money, then they can use their printer to print more printers to sell to other people for insane amounts of monies. The trick will be that the printers will all use some sort of wierd hexagonal shaped filliament that i'm the only one on the planet that will make and patent, and it will cost more than HP printer ink!

I don't think it's a terribly sound buisiness model at the moment, but it seems to work for Stratasys.
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#19 Jan 07 2014 at 6:18 PM Rating: Good
We gave up on HP inkjets and switched to a color laser printer when the last one died.

If we're going to pay $100 for a color cartridge, it might as well last for more than a month.
#20 Jan 07 2014 at 7:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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I remember in the 70's people used to say Amway the same way they'd say Communism in the 50's.
#21 Jan 07 2014 at 7:28 PM Rating: Decent
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My sister used to do Amway back in the day. Not surprisingly, she didn't make any money at it. Amway at least had the virtue that if you were going to buy those kinds of items anyway, you could get a discount buying it through them. I'm not sure if it was worth the trouble, but at least there was sufficient variety of items that you could maybe justify it that way.

The ones you really want to stay away from are the ones where the product being sold is secondary to other buy-in or membership costs. I remember someone trying to sell me on one of these sorts of schemes, and it was like pay $100/month to be a member, which entitled you to order stuff and sell it. But the catalog info was vague as hell, and it was clear that the real intent was to get people to sign up more people, with each getting a piece of the membership cost of those they brought in. The products for sale were so obviously just an afterthought in order to make it technically legal that it was laughable. Always a bad sign...
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#22 Jan 08 2014 at 12:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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My sister is currently selling some brand of makeup. Her intent however, is not to actually make money but just get the makeup for cheaper than usual for herself and her friends, which appears to be working well.
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#23 Jan 08 2014 at 8:26 AM Rating: Decent
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My friend spent the summer after high school selling the Cutco knives. Pretty much out of boredom, I guess.
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#24 Jan 08 2014 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
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My sister is currently selling some brand of makeup. Her intent however, is not to actually make money but just get the makeup for cheaper than usual for herself and her friends, which appears to be working well.


That can work if your friends all use the same makeup you do. I'm locked into Clinique for skin care, my best friend does not wear makeup, and my next closest female friend that does is a professional aesthetician and gets all her stuff from some organic shop on Etsy.
#25 Jan 08 2014 at 9:01 AM Rating: Good
Etsy has to be one of the most depressing things on the internet. Hilarious and depressing.
#26 Jan 08 2014 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
I think of it as the straw market of the Internet. 99.9% of it is useless crap that nobody needs or wants, but then suddenly they're the only place that has Obscure Item X that you suddenly desperately need for someone's birthday next week.

Edited, Jan 8th 2014 1:34pm by Catwho
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