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#1 Nov 19 2013 at 6:04 PM Rating: Default
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..I was raised on 'in soviet russia' jokes. Shut up.

Anyhoo, inevitably we had an instance of a guy tinkering with his shiny new smarttv and finding out that companies love to know what you are doing. Apparently, they love it so much, that even turning off watching option does not actually turn the TV reporting of what the user does.

The TV also tracks the files played ( in this case, midget ****:P ). So what happens next? Firewalls or people don't care enough again.

I, personally, think they do care; well cops do, which is particularly hilarious given that Boston cops are perfectly happy to track everyone else.

So how do you feel about TV watching you watching midget ****?
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While I get the concern about someone else being able to track the locations of police cars in real time being a potential security issue, I don't know if I agree with the whole privacy angle on that one. This quote in particular kinda stuck out at me as "wrong":

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As these anonymous officers and their union official argue, tracking someone’s location as they go about their day-to-day life is incredibly invasive.


This isn't their "day to day life" though. This is you at work on someone else time for which you are being paid. My employer absolutely has the right to know where I am when I'm on the clock. And I don't think anyone would think it wrong for a business to put GPS locators in their company vehicles, and I believe a whole hell of a lot of them do. How exactly is a cop different than a delivery driver in this regard? Just not seeing it.
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#3 Nov 19 2013 at 6:33 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
While I get the concern about someone else being able to track the locations of police cars in real time being a potential security issue, I don't know if I agree with the whole privacy angle on that one. This quote in particular kinda stuck out at me as "wrong":

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As these anonymous officers and their union official argue, tracking someone’s location as they go about their day-to-day life is incredibly invasive.


This isn't their "day to day life" though. This is you at work on someone else time for which you are being paid. My employer absolutely has the right to know where I am when I'm on the clock. And I don't think anyone would think it wrong for a business to put GPS locators in their company vehicles, and I believe a whole hell of a lot of them do. How exactly is a cop different than a delivery driver in this regard? Just not seeing it.


Holy crap, we agree on something. Let me stop here and ponder the implications.
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Oh. As to the smart TV sending data, that's not surprising really. That there are so little legal recourse for this is what bothers me though. Unfortunately, we've allowed so much precedent in terms of organizations we interact with tracking data about those interactions that it's become increasingly difficult to argue where that privacy line lies. There are a lot of services we're offered in these smart devices that more or less depend on them collecting data about usage pattern of the devices themselves. At what point is it spying on us versus anticipating what we want/need?

Funny thing is that I was just talking to some co-workers about this today. I mentioned that every time I see that commercial with the smart TV that allows you to use hand gestures to control it, instead of thinking that's a great and useful idea, my thought is that I really don't want my TV to be able to see everyone in my living room and be able to analyze what we're doing. Doubly so if it contains any sort of data storage device and/or is connected to any sort of data network.
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#5 Nov 19 2013 at 6:49 PM Rating: Good
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Holy crap, we agree on something. Let me stop here and ponder the implications.

It's disorienting, isn't it? I know!

Edited, Nov 19th 2013 7:51pm by Aripyanfar
#6 Nov 19 2013 at 8:07 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
Oh. As to the smart TV sending data, that's not surprising really. That there are so little legal recourse for this is what bothers me though. Unfortunately, we've allowed so much precedent in terms of organizations we interact with tracking data about those interactions that it's become increasingly difficult to argue where that privacy line lies. There are a lot of services we're offered in these smart devices that more or less depend on them collecting data about usage pattern of the devices themselves. At what point is it spying on us versus anticipating what we want/need?

Funny thing is that I was just talking to some co-workers about this today. I mentioned that every time I see that commercial with the smart TV that allows you to use hand gestures to control it, instead of thinking that's a great and useful idea, my thought is that I really don't want my TV to be able to see everyone in my living room and be able to analyze what we're doing. Doubly so if it contains any sort of data storage device and/or is connected to any sort of data network.


No one is surprised. I argued against it since the idea was presented as the new thing after 3d blew up. Unfortunately, most people, normal people want simplicity. My married friend declared that he does not want a PC ever since he got the smart TV. It makes sense. He watches an odd video, checks some random thing he is looking for, and .. that is it. Anecdotal evidence, but still it did say something..

As for the anticipation of needs vs spying, do I really want advertisers to know that I prefer **** over midgets, and suggests new alternatives while friends show up for a friendly visit? It is a brave new world..

Disclaimer: midgets were not hurt during writing of this post; anally or otherwise

Edited, Nov 19th 2013 9:11pm by angrymnk
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#7 Nov 20 2013 at 1:06 AM Rating: Good
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Its only bad when the government does it. Quit trying to bring down the free market.
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angrymnk wrote:
..I was raised on 'in soviet russia' jokes. Shut up.
Why? This explains so much...

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So how do you feel about TV watching you watching midget ****?
Internet has better ****, more variety, and better viruses to boot. I don't watch t.v. anyway so it's just like tapping my land line and then Obama saying no one was listening to the phone conversations. Smiley: rolleyes
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#9 Nov 20 2013 at 3:10 AM Rating: Good
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I argued against it since the idea was presented as the new thing after 3d blew up.
I have my doubts you've been arguing against this since the 1970s.
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#10 Nov 20 2013 at 7:20 AM Rating: Default
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angrymnk wrote:
I argued against it since the idea was presented as the new thing after 3d blew up.
I have my doubts you've been arguing against this since the 1970s.


I was referring to a more recent push to have everyone wear glasses for 3dtv. It was only my luck that people are just too lazy. Phew
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#11 Nov 20 2013 at 7:21 AM Rating: Default
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someproteinguy wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
..I was raised on 'in soviet russia' jokes. Shut up.
Why? This explains so much...



What would it explain?
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angrymnk wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
I argued against it since the idea was presented as the new thing after 3d blew up.
I have my doubts you've been arguing against this since the 1970s.


I was referring to a more recent push to have everyone wear glasses for 3dtv. It was only my luck that people are just too lazy. Phew

So, that would have been the 1980's.

Your posts are always so confusing. Cop cars, tv's that watch you and midget ****. What do these three things have in common?

If you think midget **** is so aberrant why are you watching it?

If it's not, why does it matter if your tv knows you're watching it?
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#14 Nov 20 2013 at 8:43 PM Rating: Default
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Elinda wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
I argued against it since the idea was presented as the new thing after 3d blew up.
I have my doubts you've been arguing against this since the 1970s.


I was referring to a more recent push to have everyone wear glasses for 3dtv. It was only my luck that people are just too lazy. Phew

So, that would have been the 1980's.

Your posts are always so confusing. Cop cars, tv's that watch you and midget ****. What do these three things have in common?

If you think midget **** is so aberrant why are you watching it?

If it's not, why does it matter if your tv knows you're watching it?


Would it be less confusing if I talked about cop ****( 50 shades of grey if you are a woman), and midget cars?
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#15 Nov 21 2013 at 7:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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Am I to understand these televisions are only sold in the United States?
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#16 Nov 21 2013 at 7:08 AM Rating: Good
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We have LG Smart TVs. I assume there's no difference in manufacturing and options for those sold in Canada versus those sold in the US.
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#17 Nov 21 2013 at 7:17 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Am I to understand these televisions are only sold in the United States?


Televisions? Those are viewports in the Panopticon.
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Samira wrote:
Am I to understand these televisions are only sold in the United States?


The guy in the originally linked article seemed to be in the UK. Either that or he's got an unusual infatuation with UK weather.
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