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Gbaji wrote:

*cough* No they aren't. While a ton of political folks used the Zimmerman case as an excuse to bring up and attack Stand Your Ground. The law did not actually apply to the case, and Zimmerman did not claim it. Zimmerman's shooting of Martin was justified under normal self defense laws that exist in every freaking state in the Union and had that case been tried in any state almost certainly would have resulted in the same verdict. That Florida is a stand your ground state was utterly irrelevant to the Zimmerman case.

This, btw is why the jurisdiction isn't as relevant as some want to claim. This is an actual attempt to claim stand your ground, so being in a jurisdiction where stand your ground is allowed is relevant. Um... And it'll almost certainly fail. The guy shot someone else from within his own car. Even if you don't have a requirement to flee, you do have to show that you were in direct danger from the person you shot. Given that he was in his car and they were in there's, that's pretty close to impossible to show. If there was some other witness who could corroborate his claim that there was a gun brandished at him from the other car, he *might* have a shot. But in the absence of a gun, or any sign of a gun, he's probably going to lose his syg claim.

So you're saying that they were both cases of a man shooting an unarmed teen?

Quite the contrary. You're using a straw man argument. I'm merely pointing out your failure to acknowledge any similarities than what you previously mentioned. My claim has nothing to do with race, hence why I didn't mention it. Nor was it about claiming that the two cases were exactly the same, hence why I didn't bother to counter your self-defense claim. My point was to show that they are more similar than what you claimed, hence why I mentioned the similarities.

I now understand why you claim that there were no similarities.

It's about establishing racial social assumptions among a target population so as to make certain types of political arguments easier to make in the future.

Welfare queens and furloughed prisoners do it all the time. Illegal immigrants, too.

I'm failing to mistakenly think that the similarities between the two cases are more than minor and insignificant relative to their differences. Which makes me vastly more "right" than the people who keep making a point of saying "this is just like the Zimmerman case" or "here's how this case is similar to the Zimmerman case", when in reality the only reason they think that is because no one's putting the details of the hundreds of other gun related crimes that actually share more with either of those case in front of them.

If the only two meals you've ever eaten are steak and salad, you'll think that those are really similar too.



Sure. But it's a good bet that if the victim hadn't been black and the shooter white (or at least labeled white), you would never have heard of Dunn in order to think "this is similar to the Zimmerman shooting". Get it? You only think so because you are ignorant of all of the other crimes which share more things in common with these two cases than these two do with each other.



I never once said that anyone was claiming they were identical. I disagree with singling this case out and saying it's similar to the Zimmerman case not because it doesn't have *some* similarities, but because those similarities are incredibly minor and not worth singling out. Monkeys and Zebras share lots of similar features, but you'd never go to the zoo and pick just those two animals out of all of the other animals and make a point of saying they are similar.

I mean, they are in a very broad context. But so are lots of other random pairs of animals we could pick. So one would assume that the person making the statement really isn't commenting on any real significant similarities between Monkeys and Zebras, but that for some reason that person wants me to focus my attention on just the Monkeys and Zebras.



And my point is that the reasons you think this and not that there are similarities between any of a long list of other cases out there is because someone wants you thinking about these cases, and not those other ones. They don't want you thinking about all the legitimate uses of self defense out there, which closely match the Zimmerman case (but just never got the public attention of that case). And they don't want you thinking about all the cases where it was the car full of black kids in the parking lot who decided to shoot the white couple who made the mistake of parking next to them. Or all the cases where two groups of black kids met up in a parking lot and it ended in gunfire and death.

They want you to not think about those, but instead focus on the rare cases that make it seem like there's some kind of scary trend of crazed white racists running around with guns targeting innocent black teens. Cause that happens all the time and we need to do something about it!

Way to be used though.



I never said there were no similarities. Sheesh!

But Bijou, they're different ages! Clearly that shows just how different the cases are.

Last night, I cut my brother-in-law's hair and ended up making him look like Zimmerman. He (my b-i-l) is half Ecuadorean, and also named George. I told him that at least now he can get away with shooting black kids.

But you should never stick your **** in crazy so what's the point in that.

Still wouldn't try it. She'd probably keep the kid so they'd have your DNA, eventually track you down, and make you pay child support for the next 18 years.