It's not really a new notion that what we eat can affect our moods, but all the recent work being done on our bodies microbiomes has revealed that perhaps the bacteria we make in our gut corresponds remarkably to 'mood' and even to some extent, personality traits.
The problem I see, at the moment anyways, is they're not necessarily clear on what foods produce the proper microbes to translate to various moods.
The literature talks about 'probiotics' as being providing the 'good' bacteria, but that seems rather generalized. Though you can certainly find products in the grocery story called 'probiotics'. But really, is that it. Is our only option for tranquility some gross old factory produced yogurt?
Have you ever correlated your mood with your diet?
If you go on a week long binge of chimichangas and poblano peppers do you then feel the need for mid-day siesta?
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Alma wrote:
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Unconstitutionally liberal oversampling bias.
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Elinda wrote:
Though you can certainly find products in the grocery story called 'probiotics'. But really, is that it. Is our only option for tranquility some gross old factory produced yogurt?
Jamie Lee Curtis says so!
The local AM talk stations are rather taken with "Healthy Trinity Probiotics" in their ads. I guess conservatives have trouble pooping or something because they run those ads a lot.
The closest I've come to correlating diet to mood is being too bored and lazy to do more than cook ramen and order pizza.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Elinda wrote:
If you go on a week long binge of chimichangas and poblano peppers do you then feel the need for mid-day siesta?
On a semi-serious note, I wonder if this is going to take the logical next step and have psychiatrists recommending intestinal bacteria implants to cure different psychological ailments.
They swapped out the microbes between a timid, nervous mouse and a confident, calm mouse and it caused them to change their personalities.
If you could develop a microbiome system in your gut that produced positive results in mood, you could market it.
If you could develop a microbiome system in your gut that produced positive results in mood, you could market it.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Elinda wrote:
They swapped out the microbes between a timid, nervous mouse and a confident, calm mouse and it caused them to change their personalities.
Maybe they just confused the two mice.
Was the one mouse with the grain and cheese bacteria all "I like the fresh air and open fields and straw in the barn" and the mouse with the cake and sorbet bacteria all "I'm more comfortable in a warm apartment wall with a kitchen to eat from at night"?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Yup, this has been gaining more and more interest lately. We're getting better and better and figuring out just what's in the gut, and how they communicate with you. Those little buggers do a lot, not just to tell you when their hungry and you need to eat, or tell you to unleash the immune system when they're in danger, but they seem to be able to pull a lot of strings to get you to act different ways as well. The whole idea that you can alter a lot about a person by simply altering their gut bacterial levels is a bit of a new thing, but there's a nice amount of money being thrown at these bacterial communities and human health. It'll be interesting to see what they discover going forward, and of course what the limitations are of the whole mess.
I've been known to binge on those and sleep in the afternoons. Though I live in NM and work nights, so I don't think it implies causation in any way.
On a semi-serious note, I wonder if this is going to take the logical next step and have psychiatrists recommending intestinal bacteria implants to cure different psychological ailments.
Fecal transplant is a thing.
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Elinda wrote:
If you go on a week long binge of chimichangas and poblano peppers do you then feel the need for mid-day siesta?
On a semi-serious note, I wonder if this is going to take the logical next step and have psychiatrists recommending intestinal bacteria implants to cure different psychological ailments.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
Jophiel wrote:
Elinda wrote:
They swapped out the microbes between a timid, nervous mouse and a confident, calm mouse and it caused them to change their personalities.
Maybe they just confused the two mice.
Was the one mouse with the grain and cheese bacteria all "I like the fresh air and open fields and straw in the barn" and the mouse with the cake and sorbet bacteria all "I'm more comfortable in a warm apartment wall with a kitchen to eat from at night"?
Do you suppose the laboratory has a Country wing and a City wing for the subjects.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
someproteinguy wrote:
Fecal transplant is a thing.
Now FDA approved.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
someproteinguy wrote:
Those little buggers do a lot, not just to tell you when their hungry and you need to eat, or tell you to unleash the immune system when they're in danger, but they seem to be able to pull a lot of strings to get you to act different ways as well. The whole idea that you can alter a lot about a person by simply altering their gut bacterial levels is a bit of a new thing, but there's a nice amount of money being thrown at these bacterial communities and human health.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Elinda wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Fecal transplant is a thing.
Now FDA approved.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
Wouldn't it really differ from person to person?
I might not find the same things satisfying as you...I might think that Spaghetti is the food that puts me in the best mood, you might think a nice juicy apple is the way to start your day. The ingredients are quiet different, as are the. foods effects on the body. Yet we could both claim Good Moods are caused by food of choice.
Also I totally believe food is a stimulant. Spaghetti is mine, making it is one of my favorite things to do, eating is also one of my favorite things to do. Having been sick the past week when I got my appetite back I craved Spaghetti. So Saturday I bought all the stuff and Yesterday I just made a slowly cooked sauce and basked in the flavor all afternoon. It was awesome. I even had a few beers! I felt great, Eating it was awesome, so good with the Maple Syrup (no joke!) I woke up today at 8:30 taking my last sickday (because I felt like it), and have sat around and had an exceptional day so far.
Spaghetti is my rock.
Edited, Nov 18th 2013 12:05pm by rdmcandie
I might not find the same things satisfying as you...I might think that Spaghetti is the food that puts me in the best mood, you might think a nice juicy apple is the way to start your day. The ingredients are quiet different, as are the. foods effects on the body. Yet we could both claim Good Moods are caused by food of choice.
Also I totally believe food is a stimulant. Spaghetti is mine, making it is one of my favorite things to do, eating is also one of my favorite things to do. Having been sick the past week when I got my appetite back I craved Spaghetti. So Saturday I bought all the stuff and Yesterday I just made a slowly cooked sauce and basked in the flavor all afternoon. It was awesome. I even had a few beers! I felt great, Eating it was awesome, so good with the Maple Syrup (no joke!) I woke up today at 8:30 taking my last sickday (because I felt like it), and have sat around and had an exceptional day so far.
Spaghetti is my rock.
Edited, Nov 18th 2013 12:05pm by rdmcandie
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Wonder Gem rdmcandie wrote:
Spaghetti is my rock.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
someproteinguy wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Elinda wrote:
If you go on a week long binge of chimichangas and poblano peppers do you then feel the need for mid-day siesta?
On a semi-serious note, I wonder if this is going to take the logical next step and have psychiatrists recommending intestinal bacteria implants to cure different psychological ailments.
Elinda wrote:
Wonder Gem rdmcandie wrote:
Spaghetti is my rock.
Done.
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.
I know that sometimes when I get really hungry, I get in an irritable mood. My husband is the same way. I assume most people are, but I guess I just haven't been around enough really hungry people to know.
I wonder if having Crohn's will affect the effects of the microbes...
I wonder if having Crohn's will affect the effects of the microbes...
Forget mood-enhancing bacteria. I'm still waiting on the ones that will make you lose weight.
Your biome is also what may play a role in red meat giving you heart disease.
Edit: Fine, Joph.
Edited, Nov 18th 2013 12:51pm by Catwho
Your biome is also what may play a role in red meat giving you heart disease.
Edit: Fine, Joph.
Edited, Nov 18th 2013 12:51pm by Catwho
That's quite a leap between "may play a role" and "is what causes" 
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Catwho wrote:
Forget mood-enhancing bacteria. I'm still waiting on the ones that will make you lose weight.
There can't be any.
The whole concept of consumption is to eat enough other mass to sustain your own mass. What you do with that mass is up to you...you can either burn most of it as energy or you can store that mass for use later.
If you want to lose bad weight (fat) without working it off you will have reduce the amount you consume to less than your mass, then your body will be forced to consume its stored proteins to sustain its mass, thus reducing its overall mass.
There is no such thing as magic skinny food. If you eat it and don't use it...then you won't lose it.
Edited, Nov 18th 2013 1:03pm by rdmcandie
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.
Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Catwho wrote:
Forget mood-enhancing bacteria. I'm still waiting on the ones that will make you lose weight.
There can't be any.
There is no such thing as magic skinny food. If you eat it and don't use it...then you won't lose it.
People eat when they're hungry and stop once they're full. Your gut bacteria appear to be a significant factor in that process. More specifically the lack of certain bacteria giving you a nice "you're full now" message appears to be correlated with obesity. The idea is if you're one of those people who are overweight and don't have a good population of that specific bug they can introduce it into your body. You'll be told you're full at the proper time now, and weight loss will be the result.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
someproteinguy wrote:
Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Catwho wrote:
Forget mood-enhancing bacteria. I'm still waiting on the ones that will make you lose weight.
There can't be any.
There is no such thing as magic skinny food. If you eat it and don't use it...then you won't lose it.
People eat when they're hungry and stop once they're full. Your gut bacteria appear to be a significant factor in that process. More specifically the lack of certain bacteria giving you a nice "you're full now" message appears to be correlated with obesity. The idea is if you're one of those people who are overweight and don't have a good population of that specific bug they can introduce it into your body. You'll be told you're full at the proper time now, and weight loss will be the result.
^ thats not food
That is a naturally occurring bacteria culture within the human body. If people are missing it a food isn't going to help them, the missing bacteria culture will.
Now is the bacteria culture missing causing obesity.
Or is Obesity causing the bacteria culture to disappear.
(people who over time eat less and less do so because they get fuller faster, perhaps the amount you eat dictates the volume and strength of this bacteria?)
In either regard reducing your consumption levels and using your stored proteins (fat) to fill the gap will reduce the levels of your "unhealthy" weight, to support your "healthy" weight. Fat isn't inherently unhealthy (it is a natural process of our energy system) what is unhealthy is that larger people tend to have less healthy respiratory and cardiovascular systems. Large in part to them not being physically active....we can say this because if they were physically active the food stuff they consume would be burned as energy to support their required mass, not stored energy in fat.
Changing ones mass is entirely dependent on that persons willingness to either 1) Be active burning consume mass as energy or 2) Consume less mass.
or (in my case) 3) Consume more mass
Then again I have weighed 125-135 for the past 15 years...So maybe I eat exactly what I need to to keep myself in the weight range I feel best at.
Edited, Nov 18th 2013 1:51pm by rdmcandie
Edited, Nov 18th 2013 1:53pm by rdmcandie
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Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Catwho wrote:
Forget mood-enhancing bacteria. I'm still waiting on the ones that will make you lose weight.
There can't be any.
There is no such thing as magic skinny food. If you eat it and don't use it...then you won't lose it.
People eat when they're hungry and stop once they're full. Your gut bacteria appear to be a significant factor in that process. More specifically the lack of certain bacteria giving you a nice "you're full now" message appears to be correlated with obesity. The idea is if you're one of those people who are overweight and don't have a good population of that specific bug they can introduce it into your body. You'll be told you're full at the proper time now, and weight loss will be the result.
That is a naturally occurring bacteria culture within the human body. If people are missing it a food isn't going to help them, the missing bacteria culture will.
Now is the bacteria culture missing causing obesity.
Or is Obesity causing the bacteria culture to disappear.
(people who over time eat less and less do so because they get fuller faster, perhaps the amount you eat dictates the volume and strength of this bacteria?)
In either regard reducing your consumption levels and using your stored proteins (fat) to fill the gap will reduce the levels of your "unhealthy" weight, to support your "healthy" weight. Fat isn't inherently unhealthy (it is a natural process of our energy system) what is unhealthy is that larger people tend to have less healthy respiratory and cardiovascular systems. Large in part to them not being physically active....we can say this because if they were physically active the food stuff they consume would be burned as energy to support their required mass, not stored energy in fat.
Changing ones mass is entirely dependent on that persons willingness to either 1) Be active burning consume mass as energy or 2) Consume less mass.
or (in my case) 3) Consume more mass
Then again I have weighed 125-135 for the past 15 years...So maybe I eat exactly what I need to to keep myself in the weight range I feel best at.
It actually is a lot more complicated than that. Calories in < Calories out makes you lose weight, but when my body processes calories at a different rate than your body, and we have no accurate means of measuring what the calories out of any one person actually is, the equation suddenly turns into a lot of variables instead of a solid answer.
Huh?
You get your BMR...(Basic Metabolic Rate) which is found based on oxygen consumption per KG(of weight) when the body is at rest.(vs height and age as well)
Once you get your BMR you use the Harris Benedict Equation to figure out your required caloric intake to maintain that.
If you are sedentary (little or no exercise) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.2
If you are lightly active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.375
If you are moderatetely active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.55
If you are very active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days a week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.725
If you are extra active (very hard exercise/sports & physical job or 2x training) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.9
Then you have how much mass your body requires to maintain its CURRENT mass.
My BMR is about 1500 and about 2400 after doing the HBE. I have been using this system since I was 16 and we learned about it in Health Fitness in school. I have maintained the same weight and body structure since then. (well since Grade 8 but the first few years were a fluke.)
Sometimes I cheat and gain weight I eat too much (oh no!) sometimes I don't eat enough and lose weight (oh no!) but you can most certainly keep yourself within 10-15 pounds of a target weight very very easily if you put the effort into it.
If you want to know how much you need to eat...go see a dietician. Or figure out your BMR, and do the equations yourself.
Its not non-existent science, and there isn't going to be a magic cure to obesity...Consumption is consumption and you either supply your body with to little, to much, or the right amount.
And yes different people are different. That is why YOU need to figure out what YOU need.
Edited, Nov 18th 2013 3:23pm by rdmcandie
(according to health heads I am unhealthy. Underweight. But @#%^ them I like being small.)
Edited, Nov 18th 2013 3:26pm by rdmcandie
Edited, Nov 18th 2013 3:53pm by rdmcandie
You get your BMR...(Basic Metabolic Rate) which is found based on oxygen consumption per KG(of weight) when the body is at rest.(vs height and age as well)
Once you get your BMR you use the Harris Benedict Equation to figure out your required caloric intake to maintain that.
If you are sedentary (little or no exercise) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.2
If you are lightly active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.375
If you are moderatetely active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.55
If you are very active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days a week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.725
If you are extra active (very hard exercise/sports & physical job or 2x training) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.9
Then you have how much mass your body requires to maintain its CURRENT mass.
My BMR is about 1500 and about 2400 after doing the HBE. I have been using this system since I was 16 and we learned about it in Health Fitness in school. I have maintained the same weight and body structure since then. (well since Grade 8 but the first few years were a fluke.)
Sometimes I cheat and gain weight I eat too much (oh no!) sometimes I don't eat enough and lose weight (oh no!) but you can most certainly keep yourself within 10-15 pounds of a target weight very very easily if you put the effort into it.
If you want to know how much you need to eat...go see a dietician. Or figure out your BMR, and do the equations yourself.
Its not non-existent science, and there isn't going to be a magic cure to obesity...Consumption is consumption and you either supply your body with to little, to much, or the right amount.
And yes different people are different. That is why YOU need to figure out what YOU need.
Edited, Nov 18th 2013 3:23pm by rdmcandie
(according to health heads I am unhealthy. Underweight. But @#%^ them I like being small.)
Edited, Nov 18th 2013 3:26pm by rdmcandie
Edited, Nov 18th 2013 3:53pm by rdmcandie
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.
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You get your BMR...(Basic Metabolic Rate) which is found based on oxygen consumption per KG(of weight) when the body is at rest.
Annnnnnd where do I get this?
Only oxygen consumption test I've ever had done was a VO2max during a kinesiology study. (I have apparently have fantastic lung function.)
Edited, Nov 18th 2013 3:31pm by Catwho
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