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#77 Nov 07 2013 at 9:59 PM Rating: Good
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And *that's* why I don't vote Democrat.

Because being an elitist, privileged, bigoted douche is what the GOP is all about.

Again, thanks for the absolute confirmation of your zeal for and dedication to pissing all over anyone you want because that's the right of every American!!


Oops, I meant the right of every *conservative*; my bad.
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#78 Nov 07 2013 at 10:06 PM Rating: Excellent
I thought it had been explained a number of times that discrimination against felons, alcoholics, and drug addicts causes great risk to the financial viability of a company and are therefore considered justifiable discrimination, while discrimination against race, sex, creed, sexual orientation is not a risk towards the financial viability of a company and therefore is not justifiable discrimination.
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And yet, conservatives have no problems providing those complex explanations and arguments for their positions

Right. Which is why you're jumping up and down and demanding little soundbite criteria.
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And *that's* why I don't vote Democrat.

No one is upset about that, trust me Smiley: laugh

Edited, Nov 7th 2013 10:10pm by Jophiel
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#80 Nov 07 2013 at 10:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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I thought it had been explained a number of times that discrimination against felons, alcoholics, and drug addicts causes great risk to the financial viability of a company and are therefore considered justifiable discrimination, while discrimination against race, sex, creed, sexual orientation is not a risk towards the financial viability of a company and therefore is not justifiable discrimination.
It doesn't count unless Joph says it. Smiley: rolleyes

Edited, Nov 7th 2013 8:47pm by someproteinguy
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#81 Nov 07 2013 at 11:31 PM Rating: Good
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Speaking of being gay.




(i know its old but relevant none the less.)



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#82 Nov 08 2013 at 6:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is precisely the circular answer I said wasn't valid (but predicted that most people could not avoid, so thanks for being typical). You basically just said that the criteria for characteristics we protect from discrimination is whatever we've written into our laws to be protected from discrimination. Which is completely circular.


Yes, and arbitrary. All laws are arbitrary. All societies function based on a set of completely arbitrary rules. Prohibition against murder? Arbitrary. There's no logical case for it that doesn't equally apply to equal protection for gay people. Also there is no Santa. This was your big reveal? Seriously? Your "gotcha" moment was that there is no magic natural law decree that articulates statutory protection for gay folks? Seriously? Wait, you don't ACTUALLY think that argument makes some sort of negative case against equal protection, do you? No one could really be that deluded, could they?
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#83 Nov 08 2013 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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And *that's* why I don't vote Democrat.
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#84 Nov 08 2013 at 7:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's about creating a wedge and coming up with yet another bogus issue that can be used to paint the rational people in our society (that's conservatives btw) as "bad" by encouraging people to act on emotion rather than reason.
Not hiring someone because your religion says gays are bad is based on reason and not emotion?
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Wait, you don't ACTUALLY think that argument makes some sort of negative case against equal protection, do you? No one could really be that deluded, could they?

"But, Gee Wilikers, Smash! If all laws are arbitrary, my canary brain says that means all laws can be found to be the same by a false equivalency argument and discrimination against [Protected Class] is exactly the same as not letting child molesting heroin addicts work in your day care!"

This is the same person who once argued that universal health care would "discriminate" by only giving casts to people with broken bones so that's no different than discrimination against women in the workplace.

Or the ever famous "You can kill someone with a gun and you can kill someone with a crazy-straw, therefore crazy-straws are just as deadly as guns!"

I've no idea how people like that make it through the day without needing handlers. "I can eat cereal and I can eat dirt so dirt must be food just like cereal!"

Edited, Nov 8th 2013 7:57am by Jophiel
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#86 Nov 08 2013 at 8:05 AM Rating: Excellent
I am the source of all law; it springs from my forehead like the Goddess Athena on a pogo stick, catches the fragile lives of men in its vice grip and squeezes until they turn into people like rdmcandie, gbaji... and you, you piece of ****. Fuck you, how dare you read my fucking post.

Fuck you.
#87 Nov 08 2013 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good
That's a generic you, by the by.

Anyone who read that post, you got what you deserved.
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Anyone who read that post, you got what you deserved.
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#90 Nov 08 2013 at 9:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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I am the source of all law; it springs from my forehead like the Goddess Athena on a pogo stick, catches the fragile lives of men in its vice grip and squeezes until they turn into people like rdmcandie, gbaji... and you, you piece of sh*t. Fuck you, how dare you read my fucking post.

Fuck you.


Pensive, stop posting on Kavekk's acct. thx.
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Smasharoo wrote:
Wait, you don't ACTUALLY think that argument makes some sort of negative case against equal protection, do you? No one could really be that deluded, could they?

"But, Gee Wilikers, Smash! If all laws are arbitrary, my canary brain says that means all laws can be found to be the same by a false equivalency argument and discrimination against [Protected Class] is exactly the same as not letting child molesting heroin addicts work in your day care!"

But they seemed so nice! Smiley: rolleyes

Meh, we're pack animals. Morality is nothing but that herd instinct manifesting itself. It's going to try and guilt you into doing what's best for the group, whatever you see your group as, and after things have been passed through the filter of your own perceptions. We wont let child molesting heroin addicts work in the daycare unless a whole lot of us view that as in the best interests of society.

Yay a safeguard. Smiley: yippee

Edited, Nov 8th 2013 8:15am by someproteinguy
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#92 Nov 08 2013 at 1:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm asking what criteria we use to decide what the law should say.


- Common decency.
- Protection of others from harm
- Workplace productivity

In that order.


I get that #1 is a bit of a problem for bigoted imbeciles like yourself. That's the great thing about having a population of ~300 million people. Eventually, over time, the bigots will be overruled by the more tolerant and decent members of society, which is exactly the process you're seeing now with equal protection for homosexuals, both in their personal and work lives.

Edited, Nov 8th 2013 1:52pm by BrownDuck
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Hawaii's state House, "turning back furious -- if futile -- pleas for delay, voted late Friday to grant marriage equality to gay and lesbian couples," the Honolulu Star Advertiser reports.

"The 30-19 vote sends the bill to the state Senate, which is inclined to agree to the House version Tuesday and transmit the bill to Gov. Neil Abercrombie for his signature."

New York Times: "Hawaii is poised to be among 16 states to approve gay marriage, along with Illinois and shortly after Minnesota, New Jersey and Rhode Island. But the step in Hawaii has special resonance because the contemporary battle over same-sex marriage was born here two decades ago."


Edited, Nov 9th 2013 8:52am by Jophiel
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#94 Nov 11 2013 at 8:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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- Common decency.
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I get that #1 is a bit of a problem for bigoted imbeciles like yourself.
Nice on paper, pretty useless in practice. Doing something solely because it's the nice thing to do and gives you a warm fuzzy isn't much reason to do, or not do, anything. I'm not killing people because it is the decent thing to do.

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Belkira wrote:
I thought it had been explained a number of times that discrimination against felons, alcoholics, and drug addicts causes great risk to the financial viability of a company and are therefore considered justifiable discrimination, while discrimination against race, sex, creed, sexual orientation is not a risk towards the financial viability of a company and therefore is not justifiable discrimination.


And if those were the only ones I'd mentioned, you'd have a point. What about discrimination based on an applicants height, or hair color, or color of their shirt, or any of a number of factors which a potential employer might use to decide to hire person A instead of person B?

There's actually decent statistics showing that short people as a group suffer far more economic disadvantage relative to tall people than homosexuals compared to heterosexuals. So why not add height to the list of things we can't discriminate against when hiring? It's not just about whether hiring someone will hurt someone's business. The point is that we should allow the employer the freedom to spend his money (in the form of hiring people) in whatever way he wants and only place limits on what criteria he can use to make those choices to those which are absolutely necessary to prevent some gross harm to a whole group.


And there just isn't much evidence that homosexuals as a group are being harmed by the absence of special protections. Since this is the question at hand, that would seem to be relevant, right?
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This is precisely the circular answer I said wasn't valid (but predicted that most people could not avoid, so thanks for being typical). You basically just said that the criteria for characteristics we protect from discrimination is whatever we've written into our laws to be protected from discrimination. Which is completely circular.


Yes, and arbitrary. All laws are arbitrary. All societies function based on a set of completely arbitrary rules.


I disagree. But it is a position commonly held by those who wish to make legal changes that can't be argued via any method other than the "since all laws are arbitrary why *not* pass this one" approach.

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Prohibition against murder? Arbitrary.


Wrong.

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There's no logical case for it that doesn't equally apply to equal protection for gay people.


The very phrase "equal protection for gay people" assumes that the speaker has no clue what "equal protection" actually means. Thanks for being consistent though!

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Wait, you don't ACTUALLY think that argument makes some sort of negative case against equal protection, do you? No one could really be that deluded, could they?


Equal protection? No. The thing you're claiming is "equal protection"? Absolutely. Do you need me to actually explain to you why?
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What about discrimination based on an applicants height, or hair color, or color of their shirt, or any of a number of factors which a potential employer might use to decide to hire person A instead of person B?
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#98 Nov 11 2013 at 8:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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#99 Nov 11 2013 at 9:37 PM Rating: Good
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What about discrimination based on an applicants height, or hair color, or color of their shirt, or any of a number of factors which a potential employer might use to decide to hire person A instead of person B?
So is your normal target audience in preschool? You keep trying to use the same faulty argument that doesn't make any real world sense. It's actually getting pretty sad, even by the lowered expectations everyone has for you. You're not even changing words like you normally do and pretending it's a completely new point.
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There's actually decent statistics showing that short people as a group suffer far more economic disadvantage relative to tall people than homosexuals compared to heterosexuals. So why not add height to the list of things we can't discriminate against when hiring?

So get the ball rolling and start a petition to do this. Call your Congressman.

Unless you're just using the incredibly weak and lazy "Unless you're doing everything, you can't do this!" argument, I mean.
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There's actually decent statistics showing that short people as a group suffer far more economic disadvantage relative to tall people than homosexuals compared to heterosexuals.

Nope.


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