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#1 Nov 03 2013 at 10:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Pakistan has accused the US of “murdering
the hopes of peace” after the leader of the
Taliban was killed by a CIA drone strike on
the eve of a meeting between militants and
representatives of the government.
The country’s security forces were placed
on high alert after the Taliban vowed to
carry out a series of revenge attacks after
Mehsud was killed at a
compound at Dande Derpa Khel in North
Waziristan. The body of the 34-year-old
was hastily buried and various Taliban
groups reportedly met on today in order to
select a new leader.
Reports said that Mr Mehsud had returned
to his compound in the remote tribal areas
after meeting other militants at a nearby
mosque when four missiles struck on Friday
morning. Five or six other suspected
militants were killed in the strike, including
his uncle, cousin and personal bodyguard.
Pakistan’s prime minister, Nawaz Sharif,
was elected earlier this year having said he
wanted to start talks with the Taliban as a
means to end militant violence and publicly
urged the US to end drone strikes. On
Thursday, while in London, he said initial
contact had been made and on Saturday
several Muslim clerics, acting as
intermediaries, were to have met with
Taliban fighters on behalf of the
government.
Instead, on a series of government ministers
denounced the US attack that killed the
Taliban leader. Interior minister Chaudhry
Nisar said the government believed the US
was responsible for the “murder of peace in
this area”. He claimed the entire
relationship between Washington and
Islamabad would now be reviewed.
“The government of Pakistan does not see
this strike as a strike on an individual, but
on the peace process,” he said. “Americans
said they support our efforts at peace. Is this
support?”

Source: The Independent

And thus, the war on rising oil prices continues, and the US continues to rain freedom on developing countries in the middle east, etc etc.


What are your thoughts? I'm surprised you folks don't already have a thread on this.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2013 11:22am by Demoncard
#2 Nov 03 2013 at 10:25 AM Rating: Good
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#3 Nov 03 2013 at 10:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Demoncard wrote:
What are your thoughts?


If properly formatted, this whole thread would only take up maybe 5 lines instead of 50.


Demoncard wrote:
Pakistan has accused the US of “murdering the hopes of peace” after the leader of the Taliban was killed by a CIA drone strike on the eve of a meeting between militants and representatives of the government. The country’s security forces were placed on high alert after the Taliban vowed to carry out a series of revenge attacks after Mehsud was killed at a compound at Dande Derpa Khel in North Waziristan. The body of the 34-year-old was hastily buried and various Taliban groups reportedly met on today in order to select a new leader.

Reports said that Mr Mehsud had returned to his compound in the remote tribal areas after meeting other militants at a nearby mosque when four missiles struck on Friday morning. Five or six other suspected militants were killed in the strike, including his uncle, cousin and personal bodyguard. Pakistan’s prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, was elected earlier this year having said he wanted to start talks with the Taliban as a means to end militant violence and publicly urged the US to end drone strikes. On Thursday, while in London, he said initial contact had been made and on Saturday several Muslim clerics, acting as intermediaries, were to have met with Taliban fighters on behalf of the government.

Instead, on a series of government ministers denounced the US attack that killed the Taliban leader. Interior minister Chaudhry Nisar said the government believed the US was responsible for the “murder of peace in this area”. He claimed the entire relationship between Washington and Islamabad would now be reviewed. “The government of Pakistan does not see this strike as a strike on an individual, but on the peace process,” he said. “Americans said they support our efforts at peace. Is this support?”


Like so.

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#4 Nov 03 2013 at 10:51 AM Rating: Excellent
I have no problem blowing up Taliban leaders via remote control. I dislike killing innocent civilians that way, but **** happens.
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#5 Nov 03 2013 at 11:30 AM Rating: Default
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TirithRR wrote:
Demoncard wrote:
What are your thoughts?


If properly formatted, this whole thread would only take up maybe 5 lines instead of 50.

But what if it was all a part of some greater American conspiracy to perpetuate conflict in Pakistan and Afghanistan? The drone strikes breed extremism among the populace, and the killing of someone open to negotiation can only have the effect of more people joining the Taliban's ranks.
#6 Nov 03 2013 at 12:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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And thus, the war on rising oil prices continues

Smiley: dubious
Pakistan is #59 in oil producing nations, behind such petroleum juggernauts as France, Germany and Taiwan. US efforts against the Taliban in the region have nothing at all to do with oil prices.
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And thus, the war on rising oil prices continues

Smiley: dubious
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Next time I'll be less subtle and talk about the IRA in Afghanistan.

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The IRA? Oh, yeah, that terrorist group in my country funded by a bunch of American cu[i][/i]nts. Thanks for reminding me.

Wow, that's some great formatting I did there. Don't hide your mistakes with edits, kids.

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Pakistan is #59 in oil producing nations, behind such petroleum juggernauts as France, Germany and Taiwan. US efforts against the Taliban in the region have nothing at all to do with oil prices.


The Taliban primarily threaten the heroin trade. The heroin trade is the primary level of control in the region, picking winners and losers in that industry is how the US maintains functional control over it's regional interests. This is not news or particularly interesting.
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Man, the US is really good at alienating its allies, eh? Spying, interfering in internal affairs, **** up peace talks. I wonder what crazy shenanigans the US will try next. I envy future historians and the fun they'll have debating this period in history.
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Man, the US is really good at alienating its allies, eh? Spying, interfering in internal affairs, @#%^ing up peace talks. I wonder what crazy shenanigans the US will try next. I envy future historians and the fun they'll have debating this period in history.

Smiley: lol Yeah cuz Obama invented espionage.
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Man, the US is really good at alienating its allies, eh?

Maybe, but I'm not sure what that has to do with Pakistan.
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Pakistan was a reluctant but very useful ally for the US alliance to stage attacks on Afghanistan from after 9/11.

Over here the Aussie spies messed up and got caught spying on Indonesia. Some affronted Indonesian hackers staged stagy denial of service viruses on 200 random Australian business websites. The graphics were colorful enough to get them featured on the TV news. Somewhere in here is a joke about Australia following faithfully in the USA's footsteps all the way.
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Pakistan was a reluctant but very useful ally for the US alliance to stage attacks on Afghanistan from after 9/11.

No, they were a reluctant but useful nation to stage attacks from. It's always been a business arrangement rather than any ideological or cultural binds. People can call them whatever they want but saying "we angered our ally" when discussing Pakistan is a different kettle of fish than saying the same phrase about the UK, Canada, Israel, Germany, etc.
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What are your thoughts? I'm surprised you folks don't already have a thread on this.
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Smiley: laugh....I mean, 'ew'

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People can call them whatever they want but saying "we angered our ally" when discussing Pakistan is a different kettle of fish than saying the same phrase about the UK, Canada, Israel, Germany, etc.

Right, because brown people, amirite? Perish the thought that our "special" relationship with the UK has anything to do with money. No, no, we feel a certain kinship with Europe not because they have most of the rest of the money, but because, you know, white people stuff.
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Right, because brown people, amirite? Perish the thought that our "special" relationship with the UK has anything to do with money. No, no, we feel a certain kinship with Europe not because they have most of the rest of the money, but because, you know, white people stuff.

I have no idea what you're trying to snarkily say.

Pakistan is lacking in both white people and money though so who gives a shit Smiley: laugh
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Pakistan was a reluctant but very useful ally for the US alliance to stage attacks on Afghanistan from after 9/11.

Over here the Aussie spies messed up and got caught spying on Indonesia. Some affronted Indonesian hackers staged stagy denial of service viruses on 200 random Australian business websites. The graphics were colorful enough to get them featured on the TV news. Somewhere in here is a joke about Australia following faithfully in the USA's footsteps all the way.



We in Canada got caught spying on Brazil, our PM just ignored it, because if you pretend it didn't happen, it didn't
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Smiley: laugh....I mean, 'ew'

The lesson here is, when you see a terrorist running away while stealing glances of the sky - don't follow.
Meh, chances are if you see one running away they probably aren't very good and messed up the plan.
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Man, the US is really good at alienating its allies, eh? Spying, interfering in internal affairs, @#%^ing up peace talks. I wonder what crazy shenanigans the US will try next. I envy future historians and the fun they'll have debating this period in history.

Smiley: lol Yeah cuz Obama invented espionage.


My comment didn't just apply to the current adinistration, it was intended to stretch at least as far back to some questionable decisions by the Clinton administration, and possibly, depending on how one views things, the H.W. Bush and Reagan administrations. I'm willing to let some, but not all of the stuff from earlier pass due to the necessitation of such caused by the Cold War, but the US hasn't been doing the best in matters of foreign affairs for a very long time now.

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Maybe, but I'm not sure what that has to do with Pakistan.


Well, given the desire to get rid of Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, much of which seems to enjoy hiding in Pakistan, it stands to reason that it's in the best interests of the US, should they want to continue this silly "war on terror", not to offend Pakistan, who has been, honestly, fairly generous with their aid to that cause. Not to mention, the US should really try to be on the best of terms with any nuclear armed state, which while Pakistan is one that seems unlikely ever to use nuclear weapons, is a thing.
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Man, the US is really good at alienating its allies, eh? Spying, interfering in internal affairs, @#%^ing up peace talks. I wonder what crazy shenanigans the US will try next. I envy future historians and the fun they'll have debating this period in history.

Smiley: lol Yeah cuz Obama invented espionage.


My comment didn't just apply to the current adinistration, it was intended to stretch at least as far back to some questionable decisions by the Clinton administration, and possibly, depending on how one views things, the H.W. Bush and Reagan administrations. I'm willing to let some, but not all of the stuff from earlier pass due to the necessitation of such caused by the Cold War,
So cold war spying was ok, but everything since then not ok?

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Pakistan, who has been, honestly, fairly generous with their aid to that cause.

No they haven't. They've been bought every step of the way and have made massive concessions to the same organizations we're trying to defeat, have aided other terrorist groups they use towards their own ends, gave nuclear technology to Iran, N. Korea and Libya and almost certainly had government elements colluding to keep bin Laden hidden.
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Not to mention, the US should really try to be on the best of terms with any nuclear armed state

They lack the capacity to lob a weapon over the ocean. I guess they could always spread their nuclear weapons technology to other states if we're not nice enou--- oh, wait.

Great allies, there.
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Not to mention, the US should really try to be on the best of terms with any nuclear armed state

They lack the capacity to lob a weapon over the ocean. I guess they could always spread their nuclear weapons technology to other states if we're not nice enou--- oh, wait.

Great allies, there.
We're just a pawn in their little regional conflict anyway. They'll juice for as much as they can while staying just important enough that we wouldn't want India to bomb them.
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Man, the US is really good at alienating its allies, eh? Spying, interfering in internal affairs, @#%^ing up peace talks. I wonder what crazy shenanigans the US will try next. I envy future historians and the fun they'll have debating this period in history.

Smiley: lol Yeah cuz Obama invented espionage.


My comment didn't just apply to the current adinistration, it was intended to stretch at least as far back to some questionable decisions by the Clinton administration, and possibly, depending on how one views things, the H.W. Bush and Reagan administrations. I'm willing to let some, but not all of the stuff from earlier pass due to the necessitation of such caused by the Cold War,
So cold war spying was ok, but everything since then not ok?



It's all about the extent of the spying, and the reasons for it. With the Cold War, a lot was at stake, both sides had both legitimate and false beliefs and concerns about what the other side wanted to do and was doing, and most of the direct espionage campaigns they had going against each other were more or less justifiable. Although, even with that in mind, both sides went way too far with their interference in South America(mostly US), Central America(again, mostly US), and Africa(both, to the detriment of several African nations). What's happening these days is too far, and this is a prime example, although not quite espionage, the US military really just **** up something that could have been a good thing. The spying being done today on leaders and citizens of allied countries and the citizens of their own country, is absolutely, and inarguably unjustifiable, and unethical.

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Pakistan, who has been, honestly, fairly generous with their aid to that cause.

No they haven't. They've been bought every step of the way and have made massive concessions to the same organizations we're trying to defeat, have aided other terrorist groups they use towards their own ends, gave nuclear technology to Iran, N. Korea and Libya and almost certainly had government elements colluding to keep bin Laden hidden.
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Not to mention, the US should really try to be on the best of terms with any nuclear armed state

They lack the capacity to lob a weapon over the ocean. I guess they could always spread their nuclear weapons technology to other states if we're not nice enou--- oh, wait.

Great allies, there.


Good point, I'll admit that I don't know as much as I should have before posting about that relationship, and I made some assumptions. Some quick research proves your point, and I retract(in principle, but not actually editing my post) my previous statement.

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Not to mention, the US should really try to be on the best of terms with any nuclear armed state

They lack the capacity to lob a weapon over the ocean. I guess they could always spread their nuclear weapons technology to other states if we're not nice enou--- oh, wait.

Great allies, there.
We're just a pawn in their little regional conflict anyway. They'll juice for as much as they can while staying just important enough that we wouldn't want India to bomb them.


I honestly don't even think that there's much risk of that happening, even if the US didn't have a use for Pakistan, because India's government just doesn't seem crazy or dumb enough to start a war(that it might likely win due to sheer numbers, but I don't know the details of both nations' true military strength, and for all I know, Pakistan could be better armed).
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