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#1 Oct 27 2013 at 9:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Keith Alexander tell you a whole lot of interesting things in this brilliant piece of propaganda.

He equates intellectual property to social security numbers. Says the spying programs are not spying programs, and basically says 9/11 makes it all ok; and oh, that he needs a back up copy of the internet to catch the up the bad guys.

Crap. I forgot. He also wants to build a great wall that would protect the network. ^^;

I recommend listening to it just for the entertainment. Gbaji specifically, I would like you to listen to him and tell me you are not afraid that this person is at the helm of the agency that is dealing with security,

Now, go back to work, and be free prole!

Edited, Oct 27th 2013 11:54pm by angrymnk
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#2 Oct 28 2013 at 6:47 AM Rating: Good
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I recommend listening to it just for the entertainment. Gbaji specifically, I would like you to listen to him and tell me you are not afraid that this person is at the helm of the agency that is dealing with security,

Nothing he says in public matters at all. Nothing. "We use unicorn powered rainbow turds to kill the evil doers." You have no right to privacy, you never have had one. Every nation state on Earth gathers as much information about everything as they possibly can. The test is how it's used. When NSA information starts being used to catch shoplifters, then there is a problem. Prior to that there is a complete lack of transparency. The NSA is at best "sort of" subject to rule of law. Sue them, maybe you'll get some money, what you won't get is an intentional self blinding of signals intelligence gathering. Ever. Grow the fuck up, the fantasy world you feel betrayed doesn't exist never did and is literally impossible.
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But maybe that world doesn't exist because we haven't made enough vague and disjointed internet posts about it yet. Ever stop to think about that, Smart Guy?
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But maybe that world doesn't exist because we haven't made enough vague and disjointed internet posts about it yet. Ever stop to think about that, Smart Guy?

It's true.

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#6 Oct 28 2013 at 7:36 AM Rating: Good
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Just like muttering over some wine, right Jophiel?
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I recommend listening to it just for the entertainment. Gbaji specifically, I would like you to listen to him and tell me you are not afraid that this person is at the helm of the agency that is dealing with security,

Nothing he says in public matters at all. Nothing. "We use unicorn powered rainbow turds to kill the evil doers." You have no right to privacy, you never have had one. Every nation state on Earth gathers as much information about everything as they possibly can. The test is how it's used. When NSA information starts being used to catch shoplifters, then there is a problem. Prior to that there is a complete lack of transparency. The NSA is at best "sort of" subject to rule of law. Sue them, maybe you'll get some money, what you won't get is an intentional self blinding of signals intelligence gathering. Ever. Grow the fuck up, the fantasy world you feel betrayed doesn't exist never did and is literally impossible.


I don't think there's an American citizen alive who didn't already know what the NSA was doing. The scope is the shocker for most people. It's easier to stomach the thought when you can delude yourself into believing only a few top secret officials have the power to order such surveillance and then access the information. Upon learning that the dismantling of privacy was not only systemic, but accessible to a whole host of (most likely) unqualified individuals and ripe for abuse (and proven to be abused for less than noble reasons), the objection becomes outrage.

TL;DR: It's not that the information is collected, but who its made available to and how its use is constrained (or lack thereof) that fans the flames of negative public opinion.
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TL;DR: It's not that the information is collected, but who its made available to and how its use is constrained (or lack thereof) that fans the flames of negative public opinion.
I'm guessing most people will wait for some kind of public "oops you aren't who we thought you were" before getting mad enough to do anything about. Who wants to push back and get more attention anyway? Stay in the middle of the herd, stay in the middle of the herd... Smiley: rolleyes
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Stay in the middle of the herd, stay in the middle of the herd... Smiley: rolleyes


Works for thousands of other species. Smiley: wink
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someproteinguy wrote:
Stay in the middle of the herd, stay in the middle of the herd... Smiley: rolleyes


Works for thousands of other species. Smiley: wink
I can "moo" pretty good, just as a bonus. What sound does a Zebra make anyway?
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I always knew about the levels of information collection. My goal for the last decade or so has been to pollute my corner of the information pool as much as I could. Google thinks I'm a 22 year old male. Smiley: laugh

I'm more concerned about the NSA spying on foreign leaders. Not surprised, mind you. Just concerned that the information got out. The house of cards is falling down.
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We spy on foreign leaders. They spy on us. We're better at it than most of them are for various reasons (better tech and resources, mainly). Everyone pretends it's not happening. When some media outlet "exposes it", they get to act upset and we say "Golly!" and Obama says he had no idea it was happening because the president isn't going to say "**** yeah, we were spying on you".

When Obama is thinking about bombing Syria, he wants to know what Merkel is really thinking and how much the US can press for support. When Merkel is thinking of, say, bailing out the Greek economy, she wants to know what other leaders are really thinking, etc. This sort of inter-ally espionage is less about Germany sending terrorists at us and more about all the players wanting the inside track for policy decision making.
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You know, transubstantiation.
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Um. Sure?
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I always knew about the levels of information collection. My goal for the last decade or so has been to pollute my corner of the information pool as much as I could. Google thinks I'm a 22 year old male. Smiley: laugh

I'm more concerned about the NSA spying on foreign leaders. Not surprised, mind you. Just concerned that the information got out. The house of cards is falling down.

I just don't think the classic house of cards can stand under the weight of technology.

Nothing stays secret for long.

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I always knew about the levels of information collection. My goal for the last decade or so has been to pollute my corner of the information pool as much as I could. Google thinks I'm a 22 year old male. Smiley: laugh

I'm more concerned about the NSA spying on foreign leaders. Not surprised, mind you. Just concerned that the information got out. The house of cards is falling down.

I just don't think the classic house of cards can stand under the weight of technology.

Nothing stays secret for long.



Well, it depends.
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Smasharoo wrote:
I recommend listening to it just for the entertainment. Gbaji specifically, I would like you to listen to him and tell me you are not afraid that this person is at the helm of the agency that is dealing with security,

Nothing he says in public matters at all. Nothing. "We use unicorn powered rainbow turds to kill the evil doers." You have no right to privacy, you never have had one. Every nation state on Earth gathers as much information about everything as they possibly can. The test is how it's used. When NSA information starts being used to catch shoplifters, then there is a problem. Prior to that there is a complete lack of transparency. The NSA is at best "sort of" subject to rule of law. Sue them, maybe you'll get some money, what you won't get is an intentional self blinding of signals intelligence gathering. Ever. Grow the fuck up, the fantasy world you feel betrayed doesn't exist never did and is literally impossible.


Who the **** do you think you are? Hillary? Do you also think we should "have a grown up conversation"? Heh..

I like the way you just rationalize it as: "this is how it always has been". I am always amused by this kind of argument. It has not. I should immediately clarify what I mean by this. The ability to pretty much track anyone has not truly existed up until now. Even 10 years back it required quite a lot of, and here is the important part, manpower to follow people 24/7. Now this obstacle has been mostly removed by technology.

If anything, the fact I am quite shocked that people did not try to have this thing turned around and crowd-source whereabouts of every single elected official. I am pretty sure, some would change their tune about privacy then. But if there is anything I have learned in this life, it is that a) people don't listen b) it mildly satisfying to do "i told you so".

By the way Smash, just in case you were in some god forsaken ****-hole, yelling lalala to prevent any kind of reality entering the realm of Smash, allow me to remind you that NSA was already passing the info onto DEA. I am sure, in a very American tradition, this will eventually translate into catching petty crime. I am unconvinced you will try to do anything then either.

My argument is, and always has been really simple, if you let one organization that, apparently, can barely tell the truth by the body that is supposed to control it, gather information on everything, then that information will be used. It is just a question of time. What it will be used for, is another question altogether.
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#19 Oct 29 2013 at 12:43 AM Rating: Good
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Out of curiosity, what is your native language?
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Out of curiosity, what is your native language?


I'm guessing Trollish.
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Out of curiosity, what is your native language?


I'm guessing Trollish.


Hmm? How am I trolling?
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Smasharoo wrote:
I recommend listening to it just for the entertainment. Gbaji specifically, I would like you to listen to him and tell me you are not afraid that this person is at the helm of the agency that is dealing with security,

Nothing he says in public matters at all. Nothing. "We use unicorn powered rainbow turds to kill the evil doers." You have no right to privacy, you never have had one. Every nation state on Earth gathers as much information about everything as they possibly can. The test is how it's used. When NSA information starts being used to catch shoplifters, then there is a problem. Prior to that there is a complete lack of transparency. The NSA is at best "sort of" subject to rule of law. Sue them, maybe you'll get some money, what you won't get is an intentional self blinding of signals intelligence gathering. Ever. Grow the fuck up, the fantasy world you feel betrayed doesn't exist never did and is literally impossible.


Who the @#%^ do you think you are? Hillary?
Maybe In Nexa's dreams.

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I am sure, in a very American tradition, this will eventually translate into catching petty crime.

Rage fantasy?

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I'm kind of wondering where all the right wing outrage is about this. I mean, they've been trying so hard to get a scandal they can pin on Obama, to the point of trying to make one up (Benghazi!) and yet here is a Nixon sized scandal that's been handed to them on a silver platter.

So far there's mostly thumb twiddling and radio silence from conservative leaders. It's a Dem who is opening up the Congressional inquiry into the situation.

I guess the full impact of the situation hasn't sunk in, yet?
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I'm kind of wondering where all the right wing outrage is about this. I mean, they've been trying so hard to get a scandal they can pin on Obama, to the point of trying to make one up (Benghazi!) and yet here is a Nixon sized scandal that's been handed to them on a silver platter.

So far there's mostly thumb twiddling and radio silence from conservative leaders. It's a Dem who is opening up the Congressional inquiry into the situation.

I guess the full impact of the situation hasn't sunk in, yet?


This isn't a scandal to the Reicht.
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Catwho wrote:
I'm kind of wondering where all the right wing outrage is about this. [...]
So far there's mostly thumb twiddling and radio silence from conservative leaders.

Rush was flipping his shit yesterday about it. I mean, not about the spying but because Obama said he was unaware. I'm sure Rush is smart enough to grasp "Lying about it because that's what you do when an espionage program is revealed" but he obviously assumes his audience isn't that smart and will eat up the "See how incompetent he is for not knowing?" remarks.
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Still, until he singlehandedly condemns thousands of people to die of AIDS or covers up systematic child rape, there are worse figureheads.

Get it? I'm talking about the last pope. Or was it the one before? We're really going through them these days, huh?
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