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#1 Oct 27 2013 at 9:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Keith Alexander tell you a whole lot of interesting things in this brilliant piece of propaganda.

He equates intellectual property to social security numbers. Says the spying programs are not spying programs, and basically says 9/11 makes it all ok; and oh, that he needs a back up copy of the internet to catch the up the bad guys.

Crap. I forgot. He also wants to build a great wall that would protect the network. ^^;

I recommend listening to it just for the entertainment. Gbaji specifically, I would like you to listen to him and tell me you are not afraid that this person is at the helm of the agency that is dealing with security,

Now, go back to work, and be free prole!

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I recommend listening to it just for the entertainment. Gbaji specifically, I would like you to listen to him and tell me you are not afraid that this person is at the helm of the agency that is dealing with security,

Nothing he says in public matters at all. Nothing. "We use unicorn powered rainbow turds to kill the evil doers." You have no right to privacy, you never have had one. Every nation state on Earth gathers as much information about everything as they possibly can. The test is how it's used. When NSA information starts being used to catch shoplifters, then there is a problem. Prior to that there is a complete lack of transparency. The NSA is at best "sort of" subject to rule of law. Sue them, maybe you'll get some money, what you won't get is an intentional self blinding of signals intelligence gathering. Ever. Grow the fuck up, the fantasy world you feel betrayed doesn't exist never did and is literally impossible.
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But maybe that world doesn't exist because we haven't made enough vague and disjointed internet posts about it yet. Ever stop to think about that, Smart Guy?
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But maybe that world doesn't exist because we haven't made enough vague and disjointed internet posts about it yet. Ever stop to think about that, Smart Guy?

It's true.

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Just like muttering over some wine, right Jophiel?
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I recommend listening to it just for the entertainment. Gbaji specifically, I would like you to listen to him and tell me you are not afraid that this person is at the helm of the agency that is dealing with security,

Nothing he says in public matters at all. Nothing. "We use unicorn powered rainbow turds to kill the evil doers." You have no right to privacy, you never have had one. Every nation state on Earth gathers as much information about everything as they possibly can. The test is how it's used. When NSA information starts being used to catch shoplifters, then there is a problem. Prior to that there is a complete lack of transparency. The NSA is at best "sort of" subject to rule of law. Sue them, maybe you'll get some money, what you won't get is an intentional self blinding of signals intelligence gathering. Ever. Grow the fuck up, the fantasy world you feel betrayed doesn't exist never did and is literally impossible.


I don't think there's an American citizen alive who didn't already know what the NSA was doing. The scope is the shocker for most people. It's easier to stomach the thought when you can delude yourself into believing only a few top secret officials have the power to order such surveillance and then access the information. Upon learning that the dismantling of privacy was not only systemic, but accessible to a whole host of (most likely) unqualified individuals and ripe for abuse (and proven to be abused for less than noble reasons), the objection becomes outrage.

TL;DR: It's not that the information is collected, but who its made available to and how its use is constrained (or lack thereof) that fans the flames of negative public opinion.
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TL;DR: It's not that the information is collected, but who its made available to and how its use is constrained (or lack thereof) that fans the flames of negative public opinion.
I'm guessing most people will wait for some kind of public "oops you aren't who we thought you were" before getting mad enough to do anything about. Who wants to push back and get more attention anyway? Stay in the middle of the herd, stay in the middle of the herd... Smiley: rolleyes
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Stay in the middle of the herd, stay in the middle of the herd... Smiley: rolleyes


Works for thousands of other species. Smiley: wink
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Stay in the middle of the herd, stay in the middle of the herd... Smiley: rolleyes


Works for thousands of other species. Smiley: wink
I can "moo" pretty good, just as a bonus. What sound does a Zebra make anyway?
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I always knew about the levels of information collection. My goal for the last decade or so has been to pollute my corner of the information pool as much as I could. Google thinks I'm a 22 year old male. Smiley: laugh

I'm more concerned about the NSA spying on foreign leaders. Not surprised, mind you. Just concerned that the information got out. The house of cards is falling down.
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We spy on foreign leaders. They spy on us. We're better at it than most of them are for various reasons (better tech and resources, mainly). Everyone pretends it's not happening. When some media outlet "exposes it", they get to act upset and we say "Golly!" and Obama says he had no idea it was happening because the president isn't going to say "**** yeah, we were spying on you".

When Obama is thinking about bombing Syria, he wants to know what Merkel is really thinking and how much the US can press for support. When Merkel is thinking of, say, bailing out the Greek economy, she wants to know what other leaders are really thinking, etc. This sort of inter-ally espionage is less about Germany sending terrorists at us and more about all the players wanting the inside track for policy decision making.
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I always knew about the levels of information collection. My goal for the last decade or so has been to pollute my corner of the information pool as much as I could. Google thinks I'm a 22 year old male. Smiley: laugh

I'm more concerned about the NSA spying on foreign leaders. Not surprised, mind you. Just concerned that the information got out. The house of cards is falling down.

I just don't think the classic house of cards can stand under the weight of technology.

Nothing stays secret for long.

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I always knew about the levels of information collection. My goal for the last decade or so has been to pollute my corner of the information pool as much as I could. Google thinks I'm a 22 year old male. Smiley: laugh

I'm more concerned about the NSA spying on foreign leaders. Not surprised, mind you. Just concerned that the information got out. The house of cards is falling down.

I just don't think the classic house of cards can stand under the weight of technology.

Nothing stays secret for long.



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I recommend listening to it just for the entertainment. Gbaji specifically, I would like you to listen to him and tell me you are not afraid that this person is at the helm of the agency that is dealing with security,

Nothing he says in public matters at all. Nothing. "We use unicorn powered rainbow turds to kill the evil doers." You have no right to privacy, you never have had one. Every nation state on Earth gathers as much information about everything as they possibly can. The test is how it's used. When NSA information starts being used to catch shoplifters, then there is a problem. Prior to that there is a complete lack of transparency. The NSA is at best "sort of" subject to rule of law. Sue them, maybe you'll get some money, what you won't get is an intentional self blinding of signals intelligence gathering. Ever. Grow the fuck up, the fantasy world you feel betrayed doesn't exist never did and is literally impossible.


Who the **** do you think you are? Hillary? Do you also think we should "have a grown up conversation"? Heh..

I like the way you just rationalize it as: "this is how it always has been". I am always amused by this kind of argument. It has not. I should immediately clarify what I mean by this. The ability to pretty much track anyone has not truly existed up until now. Even 10 years back it required quite a lot of, and here is the important part, manpower to follow people 24/7. Now this obstacle has been mostly removed by technology.

If anything, the fact I am quite shocked that people did not try to have this thing turned around and crowd-source whereabouts of every single elected official. I am pretty sure, some would change their tune about privacy then. But if there is anything I have learned in this life, it is that a) people don't listen b) it mildly satisfying to do "i told you so".

By the way Smash, just in case you were in some god forsaken ****-hole, yelling lalala to prevent any kind of reality entering the realm of Smash, allow me to remind you that NSA was already passing the info onto DEA. I am sure, in a very American tradition, this will eventually translate into catching petty crime. I am unconvinced you will try to do anything then either.

My argument is, and always has been really simple, if you let one organization that, apparently, can barely tell the truth by the body that is supposed to control it, gather information on everything, then that information will be used. It is just a question of time. What it will be used for, is another question altogether.
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I'm guessing Trollish.
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I'm guessing Trollish.


Hmm? How am I trolling?
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Smasharoo wrote:
I recommend listening to it just for the entertainment. Gbaji specifically, I would like you to listen to him and tell me you are not afraid that this person is at the helm of the agency that is dealing with security,

Nothing he says in public matters at all. Nothing. "We use unicorn powered rainbow turds to kill the evil doers." You have no right to privacy, you never have had one. Every nation state on Earth gathers as much information about everything as they possibly can. The test is how it's used. When NSA information starts being used to catch shoplifters, then there is a problem. Prior to that there is a complete lack of transparency. The NSA is at best "sort of" subject to rule of law. Sue them, maybe you'll get some money, what you won't get is an intentional self blinding of signals intelligence gathering. Ever. Grow the fuck up, the fantasy world you feel betrayed doesn't exist never did and is literally impossible.


Who the @#%^ do you think you are? Hillary?
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I am sure, in a very American tradition, this will eventually translate into catching petty crime.

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I'm kind of wondering where all the right wing outrage is about this. I mean, they've been trying so hard to get a scandal they can pin on Obama, to the point of trying to make one up (Benghazi!) and yet here is a Nixon sized scandal that's been handed to them on a silver platter.

So far there's mostly thumb twiddling and radio silence from conservative leaders. It's a Dem who is opening up the Congressional inquiry into the situation.

I guess the full impact of the situation hasn't sunk in, yet?
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I'm kind of wondering where all the right wing outrage is about this. I mean, they've been trying so hard to get a scandal they can pin on Obama, to the point of trying to make one up (Benghazi!) and yet here is a Nixon sized scandal that's been handed to them on a silver platter.

So far there's mostly thumb twiddling and radio silence from conservative leaders. It's a Dem who is opening up the Congressional inquiry into the situation.

I guess the full impact of the situation hasn't sunk in, yet?


This isn't a scandal to the Reicht.
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I'm kind of wondering where all the right wing outrage is about this. [...]
So far there's mostly thumb twiddling and radio silence from conservative leaders.

Rush was flipping his shit yesterday about it. I mean, not about the spying but because Obama said he was unaware. I'm sure Rush is smart enough to grasp "Lying about it because that's what you do when an espionage program is revealed" but he obviously assumes his audience isn't that smart and will eat up the "See how incompetent he is for not knowing?" remarks.
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Still, until he singlehandedly condemns thousands of people to die of AIDS or covers up systematic child rape, there are worse figureheads.

Get it? I'm talking about the last pope. Or was it the one before? We're really going through them these days, huh?
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Kavekk, you've been trying very hard lately and I've been just sort of ignoring it to be polite. But this whole thing you're trying to do isn't going to work. It's not "sticking" with me and I'm not feeling it. I'm just not that interested in having you be an internet sparring partner. I know, I'm around a lot so I guess you got interested but maybe someone else here would work for you. I don't know why it's there for some people and not there for others. I'm sorry, man. I hope we can still be friends.
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You can take some solace in the fact that despite the amount of time and effort they put into spying on everyone they don't seem to be very good it.
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Kavekk, you've been trying very hard lately and I've been just sort of ignoring it to be polite. But this whole thing you're trying to do isn't going to work. It's not "sticking" with me and I'm not feeling it. I'm just not that interested in having you be an internet sparring partner. I know, I'm around a lot so I guess you got interested but maybe someone else here would work for you. I don't know why it's there for some people and not there for others. I'm sorry, man. I hope we can still be friends.


Are, are you seeing other Kavekkks? Kkavek is gone, he's not coming backk. But Kavekk is here, so maybe, just maybe you should workk on your relationship. Live in the present, ya know?
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Kavekk, you've been trying very hard lately and I've been just sort of ignoring it to be polite. But this whole thing you're trying to do isn't going to work. It's not "sticking" with me and I'm not feeling it. I'm just not that interested in having you be an internet sparring partner. I know, I'm around a lot so I guess you got interested but maybe someone else here would work for you. I don't know why it's there for some people and not there for others. I'm sorry, man. I hope we can still be friends.


I'm just glad we can be so open with our feelings, Jophiel. For example, I feel that Catholicism is a towering edifice of idiot superstition.
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Oh, Kavekk. That wasn't an invitation. Smiley: frown
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My argument is, and always has been really simple, if you let one organization that, apparently, can barely tell the truth by the body that is supposed to control it, gather information on everything, then that information will be used. It is just a question of time. What it will be used for, is another question altogether.

Yes, the only question, really. The question in Athens, in Babylon, in Byzantium, in Eden presumably. When people start disappearing, then be worried. The present circumstance has been the status quo for thousands of years. That is in no way an exaggeration.

But if there is anything I have learned in this life, it is that a) people don't listen b) it mildly satisfying to do "i told you so".

Jesus, who didn't listen? The only thing you should be saying is "you should see a neurologist" if you know people who thought the NSA was quietly observing laws and self limiting it's power.
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Woah, back up there, buddy. I'm not ready for that kind of commitment.

Speaking of commitment, all Catholics should be put in insane asylums, because they are all crazy.

Wow what a segue, seamless.
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My argument is, and always has been really simple, if you let one organization that, apparently, can barely tell the truth by the body that is supposed to control it, gather information on everything, then that information will be used. It is just a question of time. What it will be used for, is another question altogether.

Yes, the only question, really. The question in Athens, in Babylon, in Byzantium, in Eden presumably. When people start disappearing, then be worried. The present circumstance has been the status quo for thousands of years. That is in no way an exaggeration.

But if there is anything I have learned in this life, it is that a) people don't listen b) it mildly satisfying to do "i told you so".

Jesus, who didn't listen? The only thing you should be saying is "you should see a neurologist" if you know people who thought the NSA was quietly observing laws and self limiting it's power.


I like how you moved the 'you should be worried' post from "when they use the information for non-NSL things" to "when people vanish". Can we just move the post to "Caligula level tyrant" enters the US political scene?

Btw. the sane response is: how about we don't?

And yes, only function of those in power is to gather more power. I don't think it is news to anyone. I am just annoyed this truism is routinely ignored in spite of thousands of years of history.

I thought of Stalin first, but for some reason it did not seem right.
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Btw. the sane response is: how about we don't?

Great. How do you propose we convince people with power to intentionally put themselves at risk by avoiding information they have the capability to gather?
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Set up a protest like the Occupy movement! That always works so swimmingly!
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Btw. the sane response is: how about we don't?

Great. How do you propose we convince people with power to intentionally put themselves at risk by avoiding information they have the capability to gather?


Do you propose we start wearing helmets for everything, including ,but not limited to, jerking off? Last time I checked all that information did not help stopping microwave bomber from Boston.

Come to think of it, the wholesale collection of everyone's data did not stop teh greatest threat of all... lowly sysadmin from just taking what he wanted and showing it to the world.

Maybe, just maybe, whole collection of data is not the answer? Maybe, just maybe, the fact that we can should not mean that we should. Don't believe me? Put your hand into a fire. You won't? Why not? You most certainly can.

On a more semi-serious note, my answer is eugenics. In a life of a politician improving of the gene pool means only one thing. Naturally, that includes engaged and mildly informed populace. Granted, it is not where we are today. Today, all you need is a meme on fb. I wish I was joking.

btw. Anyone knows what happened to Feinstein? I can't seem to find anything that would explain this sudden change of heart.
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Btw. the sane response is: how about we don't?

Great. How do you propose we convince people with power to intentionally put themselves at risk by avoiding information they have the capability to gather?


Do you propose we start wearing helmets for everything, including ,but not limited to, jerking off? Last time I checked all that information did not help stopping microwave bomber from Boston.

Come to think of it, the wholesale collection of everyone's data did not stop teh greatest threat of all... lowly sysadmin from just taking what he wanted and showing it to the world.

Maybe, just maybe, whole collection of data is not the answer? Maybe, just maybe, the fact that we can should not mean that we should. Don't believe me? Put your hand into a fire. You won't? Why not? You most certainly can.

On a more semi-serious note, my answer is eugenics. In a life of a politician improving of the gene pool means only one thing. Naturally, that includes engaged and mildly informed populace. Granted, it is not where we are today. Today, all you need is a meme on fb. I wish I was joking.

btw. Anyone knows what happened to Feinstein? I can't seem to find anything that would explain this sudden change of heart.
Which is all well and good, but it doesn't really answer Smash's question. How do you get the people collecting the data, and benefiting from the data, to stop? We could all agree with you completely and that'd hardly change a thing.
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Btw. the sane response is: how about we don't?

Great. How do you propose we convince people with power to intentionally put themselves at risk by avoiding information they have the capability to gather?


Do you propose we start wearing helmets for everything, including ,but not limited to, jerking off? Last time I checked all that information did not help stopping microwave bomber from Boston.

Come to think of it, the wholesale collection of everyone's data did not stop teh greatest threat of all... lowly sysadmin from just taking what he wanted and showing it to the world.

Maybe, just maybe, whole collection of data is not the answer? Maybe, just maybe, the fact that we can should not mean that we should. Don't believe me? Put your hand into a fire. You won't? Why not? You most certainly can.

On a more semi-serious note, my answer is eugenics. In a life of a politician improving of the gene pool means only one thing. Naturally, that includes engaged and mildly informed populace. Granted, it is not where we are today. Today, all you need is a meme on fb. I wish I was joking.

btw. Anyone knows what happened to Feinstein? I can't seem to find anything that would explain this sudden change of heart.
Which is all well and good, but it doesn't really answer Smash's question. How do you get the people collecting the data, and benefiting from the data, to stop? We could all agree with you completely and that'd hardly change a thing.


Hmm, I didn't? I thought I said something about improving the politician's pool as a good starting point. Do you propose we do nothing instead? My answer seems better than nothing.
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And yes, only function of those in power is to gather more power. I don't think it is news to anyone. I am just annoyed this truism is routinely ignored in spite of thousands of years of history.


I think what folks are trying to say is that it's not about ignoring it, but accepting that the truism is true, and working to minimize the harmful effects. You institute the best system possible to minimize the most harmful aspects of authority, but you have to accept that at some point you have to trust someone with power. Blithely insisting that no one should have any power to do anything "bad" can only result in people actually deluding themselves about possible abuses of power. You're seeking an impossible standard, which can only appear to be met by those with power successfully lying to the population on a grand scale. And that's where power becomes really dangerous.

I'd rather we have a bunch of cynics that all know that our government spies on us, accepts this, but puts enough checks in place to ensure that the biggest harmful things aren't done (or aren't easily done), than one in which we're convinced that we're all secure in our freedom from intrusion on our privacy and thus make the mistake of thinking that's actually true. So when people say things like "yeah, of course our government collects data about us, but as long as they cant overtly use that data against us legally, and we're an open enough society that death camps aren't likely to start cropping up, I'm ok with that". In the grand scheme of "evil things our government could be doing", mass collecting meta data and social media is incredibly far down the list of things I worry about.

And I think most people, when they get over the initial outrage and think about the issue rationally, tend to arrive at the same conclusion.
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The issue is mostly information asymmetry. The NSA can spy on us all it wants but gets pretty touchy when their databases get probed.
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I thought I said something about improving the politician's pool as a good starting point.
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I thought I said something about improving the politician's pool as a good starting point.
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angrymnk wrote:
I thought I said something about improving the politician's pool as a good starting point.
They asked you for possible solutions, not wishing on magic unicorn rainbow farts.


My apologies; I recognize that I am expected to quote aliens here, but...

Let me say this. It is a personal belief of mine that where is will, there is a way. And where is consensus, will can be found. What I am currently lacking is not magical rainbow farts. Those I get every day^^;
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angrymnk wrote:
And yes, only function of those in power is to gather more power. I don't think it is news to anyone. I am just annoyed this truism is routinely ignored in spite of thousands of years of history.



I'd rather we have a bunch of cynics that all know that our government spies on us, accepts this, but puts enough checks in place to ensure that the biggest harmful things aren't done (or aren't easily done), than one in which we're convinced that we're all secure in our freedom from intrusion on our privacy and thus make the mistake of thinking that's actually true.

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Are there enough checks? If not, why not?
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Hmm, I didn't? I thought I said something about improving the politician's pool as a good starting point. Do you propose we do nothing instead? My answer seems better than nothing.
That's debatable.
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gbaji wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
And yes, only function of those in power is to gather more power. I don't think it is news to anyone. I am just annoyed this truism is routinely ignored in spite of thousands of years of history.



I'd rather we have a bunch of cynics that all know that our government spies on us, accepts this, but puts enough checks in place to ensure that the biggest harmful things aren't done (or aren't easily done), than one in which we're convinced that we're all secure in our freedom from intrusion on our privacy and thus make the mistake of thinking that's actually true.

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Are there enough checks? If not, why not?

I think there are not. I think our politicians are being too swayed by special interest. I doubt they'd agree.

My solution is not more checks on the power that is bestowed on our politicians, but reigning in some of that power and giving it back to the ignorant hoards. We can do that now. I want a voting widget.
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My solution is not more checks on the power that is bestowed on our politicians, but reigning in some of that power and giving it back to the ignorant hoards. We can do that now. I want a voting widget.

Giving espionage powers back to the ignorant hordes?
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The subject matter of this thread wandered into a dead zone and I lost track of it.

We already have espionage powers for the most part I guess. If one should want a megaton of digital tracking data it's there for the taking or buying.
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