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#1 Oct 25 2013 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
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The way it looks TSA gathered a little too much power and does not like being investigated. I am half waiting for someone to claim that seized notes can be easily combined to create more lethal weapons that the warrant was for..

It actually got better. Some low level grunt decided to throw in hard and long word that was supposed to defuse the journalist. The grunt said they need to make sure the notes are "legitimate".

So we have our newspeak. We have renditions. We have black sites. Sheet, we have Hayden bragging about it on a train ride. We have all encompassing surveillance.

And we have retards in a lot of places of power who repeat idiotic mantras similar to "imply and deny". And all that time, best we can do is watch. At which point ,exactly, people stop watching?

So how are you dealing with a realization that you are slave..(Matrix mode) born into a jail you can't feel?
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So how are you dealing with a realization that you are slave..(Matrix mode) born into a jail you can't feel?

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Hey. Next time you're going to link to some conspiracy revealing article. Could you link to the first page of the damn article. I seriously read that, thought the whole time "this is the worst article I've ever read. I have no clue what they're talking about", then realized I was reading page 2 of 3. Was kind of amusing really.
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I started reading it, and the first lines were talking about "the raid" and I thought "It'd be nice if they told us more about 'the raid' itself before complaining about the results of it". So I ignored the post (eh, I was going to ignore it anyway).

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I'd like to see this from a more reputable source before I form an opinion.
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Hey. Next time you're going to link to some conspiracy revealing article. Could you link to the first page of the damn article. I seriously read that, thought the whole time "this is the worst article I've ever read. I have no clue what they're talking about", then realized I was reading page 2 of 3. Was kind of amusing really.


Dude, do decide. It is, really, either amusing, or annoying(unless you are one of them weird folk who find amusing things annoying).

If I was more of dick, I would have said I was testing you to see when you are going to notice, but the reality is I am lazy. I am willing to admit it. Longest journey begins with a single step and all that.
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Dude, do decide. It is, really, either amusing, or annoying(unless you are one of them weird folk who find amusing things annoying).


No, it can be both. One can find annoying things to be mildly amusing, in a way.
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I seriously read that, thought the whole time "this is the worst article I've ever read. I have no clue what they're talking about", then realized I was reading page 2 of 3.

I assumed it was because it was a Daily Caller article.
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You're just figuring that out? I thought that was common knowledge around here about the Tyranical admins. Also the tyranosauruses, but thats not important right now.

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So how are you dealing with a realization that you are slave..(Matrix mode) born into a jail you can't feel?

I suppose it's better than being born into a jail you can feel.

Ignorance is bliss eh?
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I have to say rendition is the nastiest, most Totalitarian offense against people's rights that my democracy has ever inflicted against it's own people. I still cannot believe people tolerate this because 9/11 happened and (rightfully) shocked everyone.
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I have to say rendition is the nastiest, most Totalitarian offense against people's rights that my democracy has ever inflicted against it's own people. I still cannot believe people tolerate this because 9/11 happened and (rightfully) shocked everyone.


The good news is that before the general populace feels the squeeze, it might too little too late to actually do anything about it. Depending on the point of view, Stalin might have died a long ago, but his legacy and his methods are still alive and well in Russia.

In case you think it is unfair for me to compare both, please re-read the opening post, and tell me the tools are not ready to be rolled out on a grander scale.
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So how are you dealing with a realization that you are slave..(Matrix mode) born into a jail you can't feel?
I downloaded a mod that lets me feel it. I know some people would think it's "cheating" but I feel better now. Smiley: nod


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Dude, do decide. It is, really, either amusing, or annoying(unless you are one of them weird folk who find amusing things annoying).


No, it can be both. One can find annoying things to be mildly amusing, in a way.


And in this case, it was amusing in the sense that as I was reading the page I was thinking "This feels like I've come in half way into the story and I'm missing something". Then I got to the bottom and saw the page links and realized I'd been reading page 2, and laughed because I did come in half way into the story.

For me, it was more amusing than annoying. Maybe I have a twisted sense of humor, but I found it funny that the source link for something so seriously conspiratorial would be screwed up like that. I normally view conspiracies as requiring some degree of muddled thinking, so further muddling things by linking to the middle of the story just adds to the irony.
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Dude, do decide. It is, really, either amusing, or annoying(unless you are one of them weird folk who find amusing things annoying).


No, it can be both. One can find annoying things to be mildly amusing, in a way.


And in this case, it was amusing in the sense that as I was reading the page I was thinking "This feels like I've come in half way into the story and I'm missing something". Then I got to the bottom and saw the page links and realized I'd been reading page 2, and laughed because I did come in half way into the story.

For me, it was more amusing than annoying. Maybe I have a twisted sense of humor, but I found it funny that the source link for something so seriously conspiratorial would be screwed up like that. I normally view conspiracies as requiring some degree of muddled thinking, so further muddling things by linking to the middle of the story just adds to the irony.


What I always find interesting whenever someone tries to dismiss something as conspiracy theory. It is such a perfect combination of words. Naturally, these days, it came to mean "you can ignore this". I would like you think about it for a little bit Gbaji, and then tell me who programmed you to ignore things that are in plain sight for everyone to see.

If you gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough I guess
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gbaji wrote:
And in this case, it was amusing in the sense that as I was reading the page I was thinking "This feels like I've come in half way into the story and I'm missing something"


I feel that way whenever I bother to read an angrymnk post.
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If you gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough I guess


You must be, like, Hulk strong.
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If you gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough I guess


You must be, like, Hulk strong.
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If you gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough I guess


You must be, like, Hulk strong.


lol, not true, but still funny.
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And in this case, it was amusing in the sense that as I was reading the page I was thinking "This feels like I've come in half way into the story and I'm missing something"


I feel that way whenever I bother to read an angrymnk post.
Just TL;DR it to "the government is out to get us!! Smiley: tinfoilhat", and then make up the rest in your head, maybe add in a little song and dance or something to spice it up. I recommend the Peg + Cat intro. sequence.


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Hey. Next time you're going to link to some conspiracy revealing article. Could you link to the first page of the damn article. I seriously read that, thought the whole time "this is the worst article I've ever read. I have no clue what they're talking about", then realized I was reading page 2 of 3. Was kind of amusing really.

I was amused when I saw "dailycaller" in the status bar of Firefox. I started laughing immediately, remembering seeing Tucker Carlson get hit in the leg during a softball game and wail like a small child for what seemed like hours. Oh, days before camera phones, how quaint you were. I didn't read the article, the memory was enough entertainment for me.
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What I always find interesting whenever someone tries to dismiss something as conspiracy theory. It is such a perfect combination of words. Naturally, these days, it came to mean "you can ignore this". I would like you think about it for a little bit Gbaji, and then tell me who programmed you to ignore things that are in plain sight for everyone to see.


Life experience has taught me to have this filter in my brain that allows me to dismiss things that are absurd as things that are absurd. This allows me to spend time thinking about things that actually matter are relevant and are fixable. Because of this, I'm able to read a story that really is about a relatively normal set of events and instead of imagining a ridiculous series of sinister events in order to justify assuming there must be a sinister motive behind it all, I can just say "yeah. that looks like a normal sequence of events" and then move on.


See. In order for me to buy a conspiracy in this case, someone would have to at least make an effort to explain to me that the raid was unjustified in some way (which the article completely fails to do). Because absent such a lack of justification, then this become just some papers that were seized along with a bunch of other stuff during a legitimate/legal raid. I have no real issue with that at all. Perhaps, if she didn't want her super secret journalist data to be obtained by the government, she should not have been keeping them in a home she shared with someone who apparently was violating some gun laws. It would be like me complaining that the police took possession of my address book when they raided my home because my roommate was selling meth.

If there was no roommate selling meth out of my home, and the raid was obviously complete BS, then maybe I could sell the story that they faked the raid just to get their hands on my valuable address book. But if I fail to make that claim, it's hard to make that story convincing, isn't it? Same deal here.
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What I always find interesting whenever someone tries to dismiss something as conspiracy theory. It is such a perfect combination of words. Naturally, these days, it came to mean "you can ignore this". I would like you think about it for a little bit Gbaji, and then tell me who programmed you to ignore things that are in plain sight for everyone to see.


Life experience has taught me to have this filter in my brain that allows me to dismiss things that are absurd as things that are absurd. This allows me to spend time thinking about things that actually matter are relevant and are fixable. Because of this, I'm able to read a story that really is about a relatively normal set of events and instead of imagining a ridiculous series of sinister events in order to justify assuming there must be a sinister motive behind it all, I can just say "yeah. that looks like a normal sequence of events" and then move on.


See. In order for me to buy a conspiracy in this case, someone would have to at least make an effort to explain to me that the raid was unjustified in some way (which the article completely fails to do). Because absent such a lack of justification, then this become just some papers that were seized along with a bunch of other stuff during a legitimate/legal raid. I have no real issue with that at all. Perhaps, if she didn't want her super secret journalist data to be obtained by the government, she should not have been keeping them in a home she shared with someone who apparently was violating some gun laws. It would be like me complaining that the police took possession of my address book when they raided my home because my roommate was selling meth.

If there was no roommate selling meth out of my home, and the raid was obviously complete BS, then maybe I could sell the story that they faked the raid just to get their hands on my valuable address book. But if I fail to make that claim, it's hard to make that story convincing, isn't it? Same deal here.


So what you are saying is... everything has to be spelled out for you; good to know. You can't, for example, look at event A and event B, and jump to conclusion based on available information?

And if you can, why is meth more likely?
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So what you are saying is... everything has to be spelled out for you; good to know. You can't, for example, look at event A and event B, and jump to conclusion based on available information?


Not only can he, the "information" part is completely extraneous.
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So what you are saying is... everything has to be spelled out for you; good to know. You can't, for example, look at event A and event B, and jump to conclusion based on available information?


Of course I *can*. Anyone can. The issue is whether you should in any given situation. In this particular one, I don't assume that when the police conduct a raid on a home and collect a bunch of documents from that home, that the fact that some of those documents happen to include notes which include source names for a journalist living at the home, that the entire raid (event A in this case) was staged in order to obtain those notes so as to discover that journalists sources and thus protect a completely unrelated government agency from being outted for some so far unnamed (but implied) wrongdoing.

Follow me? My first assumption is: "They grabbed every computer and document in the home, just like they do for any sort of raid". Want to know why? Because that's the most obvious and logical explanation for the events which happened. Leaping to a conspiratorial explanation when a much more likely and reasonable one exists isn't terribly productive. Now, as I said earlier, if there were some indication that the weapons raid wasn't legitimate for some reason, then I might *maybe* allow for the possibility that there was an ulterior motive here besides "we screwed up", but the article never makes that claim. It ignores whether the raid was legitimate and instead focuses on the fact that the papers seized didn't have anything to do with weapons, also ignoring the fact that those taking the documents can't know what they contain until after they take them.

It's backwards logic, starting with the assumed conclusion and then listing only the facts that support it, while ignoring all the ones that don't. That's why it's a bunk conspiracy theory.
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It's backwards logic, starting with the assumed conclusion and then listing only the facts that support it, while ignoring all the ones that don't. That's why it's a bunk conspiracy theory.
You're talking about Benghazi, right?
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So what you are saying is... everything has to be spelled out for you; good to know. You can't, for example, look at event A and event B, and jump to conclusion based on available information?



... it's a bunk conspiracy theory.


Ok, slowly, but surely we are getting somewhere. There are non-bunk conspiracy theories?

Care to list them for my future reference?
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Anything the current administration does or says that might be deemed good for the country is clearly a real conspiracy cuz democrats don't love america in the right way.



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So what you are saying is... everything has to be spelled out for you; good to know. You can't, for example, look at event A and event B, and jump to conclusion based on available information?
You should be careful not to jump to conclusions, it's a long swim back. Smiley: schooled
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Anything the current administration does or says that might be deemed good for the country is clearly a real conspiracy cuz democrats don't love america in the right way.


Exactly. I want the promise of hand jobs for all from my next candidate. I'm not saying he personally has to deliver.
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Anything the current administration does or says that might be deemed good for the country is clearly a real conspiracy cuz democrats don't love america in the right way.


Exactly. I want the promise of hand jobs for all from my next candidate. I'm not saying he personally has to deliver.
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Exactly. I want the promise of hand jobs for all from my next candidate. I'm not saying he personally has to deliver.


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So what you are saying is... everything has to be spelled out for you; good to know. You can't, for example, look at event A and event B, and jump to conclusion based on available information?



... it's a bunk conspiracy theory.


Ok, slowly, but surely we are getting somewhere. There are non-bunk conspiracy theories?

Care to list them for my future reference?


A quick google search yields the following:

Cracked(I know, but bear with me) with 6 insane conspiracy theories that turned out out be true.

Conspiracies proven true

I'm only linking those two, because really, if listverse and cracked can dig some up, then there are quite a few, and there really are. They're called conspiracy theories. Theories can end up being accurate and hence become facts, or in the case of conspiracy theories, actual conspiracies without the theory part tacked onto the end.
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#50 Nov 05 2013 at 8:37 AM Rating: Default
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Driftwood wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
gbaji wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
So what you are saying is... everything has to be spelled out for you; good to know. You can't, for example, look at event A and event B, and jump to conclusion based on available information?



... it's a bunk conspiracy theory.


Ok, slowly, but surely we are getting somewhere. There are non-bunk conspiracy theories?

Care to list them for my future reference?


A quick google search yields the following:

Cracked(I know, but bear with me) with 6 insane conspiracy theories that turned out out be true.

Conspiracies proven true

I'm only linking those two, because really, if listverse and cracked can dig some up, then there are quite a few, and there really are. They're called conspiracy theories. Theories can end up being accurate and hence become facts, or in the case of conspiracy theories, actual conspiracies without the theory part tacked onto the end.


You are right. And also late to the party. If you read the initial posts ( who does that ), you would know that I am not disagreeing with you. I am, however, curious about what Gbaji considers non-bunk.
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#51 Nov 07 2013 at 1:21 AM Rating: Decent
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angrymnk wrote:
Driftwood wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
gbaji wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
So what you are saying is... everything has to be spelled out for you; good to know. You can't, for example, look at event A and event B, and jump to conclusion based on available information?



... it's a bunk conspiracy theory.


Ok, slowly, but surely we are getting somewhere. There are non-bunk conspiracy theories?

Care to list them for my future reference?


A quick google search yields the following:

Cracked(I know, but bear with me) with 6 insane conspiracy theories that turned out out be true.

Conspiracies proven true

I'm only linking those two, because really, if listverse and cracked can dig some up, then there are quite a few, and there really are. They're called conspiracy theories. Theories can end up being accurate and hence become facts, or in the case of conspiracy theories, actual conspiracies without the theory part tacked onto the end.


You are right. And also late to the party. If you read the initial posts ( who does that ), you would know that I am not disagreeing with you. I am, however, curious about what Gbaji considers non-bunk.


Quite true, I didn't read every post, but I'm a man with very very limited time, and I just can't justify putting in the effort these days that I used to to have fun arguing with Varus, and I'd like to use what free time I have either doing something creative off the internet, learning about stuff(doing a lot of research on US History right now, actually), or playing EQ, rather than writing better posts in mediocre(no offense intended, sir) politically motivated threads.

That being said, I'm also kind of curious what Gbaji considers to be non-bunk as far as conspiracies go. Myself, personally, I quite like the actually non-bunk, obviously confirmed theory that Area 51 is/was a base for testing new military hardware, but get a big laugh out of the tinfoil hat people who like to insist that more was/is going on than that.
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Master Meleagant Driftwood of Stromm, Warrior of the 69th level(EQ)
Rhyys, Human Warrior of 67th level(WoW)

The World Is Not A Cold Dead Place.
Alan Watts wrote:
I am omnipotent insofar as I am the Universe, but I am not an omnipotent in the role of Alan Watts, only cunning


Eske wrote:
I've always read Driftwood as the straight man in varus' double act. It helps if you read all of his posts in the voice of Droopy Dog.
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