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#1 Oct 22 2013 at 10:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Where's the popcorn?

Not that we don't already know politicians are crooks and liars but this is pretty crazy for Canadian politicritters.
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repay $90,000 or be fired.

He stole the entire Canadian defense fund?
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Nope, still boring.
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That's missing at least another zero before it's something to be concerned about. The governor of my state owes two million dollars to somebody. Smiley: laugh

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That's missing at least another zero before it's something to be concerned about. The governor of my state owes two million dollars to somebody. Smiley: laugh

Edited, Oct 23rd 2013 8:35am by Catwho
To be fair, senators are appointed for life in Canada, so given some time, he could have easily surpassed that.

The scandal in my eyes is that we even still have a senate.
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The scandal in my eyes is that we even still have a senate.


Agreed.


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I'm more interested in the outing of the cover-up by a senator than the $90,000. This is potentially catastrophic for the Harper administration.
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The only thing catastrophic for the Harper administration is a viable candidate leading either opposition party. Any other viable option and he's gone.
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I don't know about that, this reeks of the Liberals a few years ago which was a boon for the NDP and nearly destroyed the Liberal party. If it doesn't go further than hearsay sure I agree but this seems like it could be a tip of the iceberg situation.
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I was hoping this involved the Québécois threatening the country in some way; Canadian politics is much more interesting when they're trying to split.
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I don't know about that, this reeks of the Liberals a few years ago which was a boon for the NDP and nearly destroyed the Liberal party. If it doesn't go further than hearsay sure I agree but this seems like it could be a tip of the iceberg situation.
He'll secure a narrow minority win unless Trudeau can rally the left base and steal some disenchanted right wingers. He's got to secure the left first though.
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Yeah, Trudeau started out strong but fizzled pretty quickly when people realized there was no substance there. I think Harper and the conservatives have done a decent job for the most part but they're getting a bit too far right now for my liking. I don't want to be the USA.
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Yeah, Trudeau started out strong but fizzled pretty quickly when people realized there was no substance there. I think Harper and the conservatives have done a decent job for the most part but they're getting a bit too far right now for my liking. I don't want to be the USA.



Do you actually follow Canadian politics.

1) Surpluses become deficits.
End of years of surpluses your first year on the job. Since then Canada is at its highest debt level since post WW2.
More provinces in debt thanks to downloading government costs instead of tweaking how it pays for them.
Trade surplus of 8B now a deficit of 2B (10B swing in a decade)

2) Employment/Type
Manufacturing is dead in Canada service industry is following suit.
Only real employable markets are oil/gas/mining
Unemployment at all time highs in parts of nation
Ontario's largest employment crisis in History from lost manufacturing
Temprorary work is on the rise, large foreign competition in market place.

3) Living Value
Cost of living out paces growth of wealth
Canadian purchasing power is now lower around the world
Housing values in many communities are on the decline
There are doctor shortages
150 lakes and rivers no longer under environmental protection
Roads and Rails are deteriorating

4) Defense
Signed up for planes and ships have neither, with a timetable for neither at the present. Despite putting money down.
Reduction in size and scope of our military

5) International Image
Deteriorating due to stances on climate change
Deteriorating due to opposition on Palestinian Statehood and calls to have Israel inspected for arms
Deteriorating due to being caught spying on friends and allys
Deteriorating due to grandstanding human rights when we are imperfect at home.
Aboriginal crisis has been called a humanitarian issue by UN

6) Governmental
Guilty of election fraud
Held in contempt of parliament
Senate Scandal
3.1B missing (seriously no one knows where it went despite it being spent)
29B in backed Taxes that Government won't allow CRA to chase (over 80% in corporate back taxes)
Unethical prorogue of Parliament

For positives this is what we have.

1) 2008 did not kick us as hard as the US or EU, but this is simply Chretien's regulations in the 90's working as intended, and can hardly be attributed to Harper well I guess we could say thanks for not getting rid of them.
2) Potentially strong future with the EU trade deal, but also potentially weaker.

As for Trudeau, he has taken his flair as far as he can. His poll rise is representative of fringe voters, it displays the people who kinda like the Conservatives because they are not the NDP are interested, and that the people who kinda like the NDP but hate conservatives are interested. Essentially he has brought the liberals back to the % of interest that they had prior to last election when they got blown out of the water (mostly by the NDP).

The problem going forward is that Harpers Conservatives are not traditional conservatives, they are more closely associated to the old Reform party, which coincidentally Harper and most of the higher ups in CPC learned the trade of politics, under Preston Manning, which any Conservative would tell you was a tab nutters. Heck Harper even quit the Reform party because they were becoming to much like the PC party, who were further left than the Reform Party. In 2001 the Reform Party ran as the Canadian Alliance, and killed the PC party, 2 years later Harper was back and won the right to lead the rebranded Reform party, which was merged with the remmnents of the PC's and became the CPC.

Ironically the Liberals are now the most traditionally conservative in Canada. Ain't that a mind @#%^. What Harper has given us is this.

On average we have a bit more money, but it is worth a bunch less at home and around the world.

(I will be voting Liberal fyi, not because of Trudeau, but because Harper and his phony Conservative party have been bad for Canada as a whole)


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I was hoping this involved the Québécois threatening the country in some way; Canadian politics is much more interesting when they're trying to split.
You should pay attention to Belgian politics, they're basically arguing about whether or not to split non stop.
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Split how?
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Top half speaks Dutch, bottom half speaks French. The Dutch part wants to split the country in two because most of the wealth of the country is in the north, the French part obviously doesn't want a split. There's also a lot of arguing over some districts around Brussels and whether or not they belong to the Dutch or the French part of the country.
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Works for me.

Smiley: popcorn

I've actually somehow caught bits and pieces of that over time. I'm assuming from my BBC reading, since I don't really remember, I can't imagine it making the news here. It is fairly amusing.
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They went over 500 days without a government, I'm pretty sure that made the news everywhere.
Ironically, them not having a government may just have proven to be a blessing in disguise as it helped them get out of the financial crisis.
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They went over 500 days without a government, I'm pretty sure that made the news everywhere.
Briefly maybe, we really don't hear much about other countries here unless we're bombing them. American news is pretty self-centered.
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My wife won't watch American news because it's so depressing.
#21 Oct 24 2013 at 5:38 PM Rating: Excellent
The Rob Ford smoking crack thing was way more amusing.
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My wife won't watch American news because it's so depressing.
We don't watch the news because there are better channels to get our fiction fix from.
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brb, posting this to facebook. I was totally unaware!!
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The Rob Ford smoking crack thing was way more amusing.


I liked that one. The Montreal Mayor tied to the Mob was cool too. Remember when Rob Ford had his weight loss challenge and ended up heavier than before. He even challenged Rahm in Chitown, and Bloomberg in NYC.
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Hey guys this just in!

Toronto's police chief has confirmed the existence of the alleged Crack Video, and has confirmed that the events described by the media were accurate.

I heard TIFF will have a special video next year. Crack Smoking Mayor, and associated Murders: The Rob Ford Story.


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/toronto-police-chief-address-drug-investigation-linked-mayor-144559330.html

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The Rob Ford smoking crack thing was way more amusing.


I liked that one. The Montreal Mayor tied to the Mob was cool too. Remember when Rob Ford had his weight loss challenge and ended up heavier than before. He even challenged Rahm in Chitown, and Bloomberg in NYC.

He should have challenged Christie and his lap-band.

You Canadians and your cheeky shenanigans.
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Ah Rob Ford:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/did-mayor-rob-ford-call-radio-show-claiming-131527399.html

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A Toronto radio host says he believes Mayor Rob Ford called into his program Thursday afternoon and used a false identity to defend his now-defunct claim that a controversial video did not exist.

Ford has long asserted that claims by the Toronto Star and Gawker, that reporters were shown a video of what appears to by the mayor smoking from a crack pipe, were false and that the video did not exist.
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As this sh*t plays out more, I'm starting to think Harper's @#%^ed. I'm taking back my earlier comments about Trudeau having to pull together the left. I think Dion could beat Harper right now.
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He stole the entire Canadian defense fund?

Ha! That's hilarious, of course not. We'd never budget that much for defense.
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As this sh*t plays out more, I'm starting to think Harper's @#%^ed. I'm taking back my earlier comments about Trudeau having to pull together the left. I think Dion could beat Harper right now.


As Leia Organa Solo put it:

The more you tighten your grip Governor Tarkin the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

I think Harper has always been a poor leader, his ascension was helped by equally poor leaders in the Liberal party. Sadly the best leader our country had in the past decade was Jack Layton who died, even though his party is to left for me!.

He is going to have to concede to investigation, and I think that scares him because I think he knows quite a deal more than he lets on. Really he should have stayed out of politics or just stayed an MP. But hindsight is 20/20.
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still boring

Bloc Quebeqois used to make it somewhat interesting, but yes, incredibly boring now.
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As this sh*t plays out more, I'm starting to think Harper's @#%^ed. I'm taking back my earlier comments about Trudeau having to pull together the left. I think Dion could beat Harper right now.


As Leia Organa Solo put it:

The more you tighten your grip Governor Tarkin the more star systems will slip through your fingers.


She was only Leia Organa when she said that, though.
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still boring

Bloc Quebeqois used to make it somewhat interesting, but yes, incredibly boring now.


Nah the Reform Party was where it was at simply the best at political controversy. The dusted the Bloc, other than separation the Blocs Policies were actually pretty good and very centrist. There wasn't much in the way of policy that ever was an issue with other parties (namely PC and Liberal), again aside from separation.

But if you want some good political Drama, the Reform Party takes the cake. God those were good times. Every other week Preston Manning was furrowing his brow out of mystical wonder at how some of these people got on his parties ticket. From Steve Harper attempting to rally a bloc against Reform support of gays in 1994, to Bob Ringma stating that it should be ok to hide gays and minorities "in the back" of shops. Other awesome times full of extremist opinions based in the strong facts of personal opinion...even a personal meltdown and subsequent leave from politics by Steve Harper in the later 90's when he claimed that the Reform party was becoming to Moderate and that if he wanted to be a Progressive Conservative he would be one. But the ride didn't stop, the rebrand to the Canadian Alliance brought with it Stockwell Day (AWESOME! Time), and saw the departure of the moderates to the PC party. What was left was some of Canada's most elite bigots with such strong moral opinions as "rape is the womens fault" and "the gays can't be teachers because they will just teach gay sh*t". Then out of the shadows Steve Harper returned to the Reformists riding a pure white moose in a red knit sweater with a maple leaf emblazoned upon its chest.

Where he succeeded in winning the leadership of the *wink* Conservative Party *wink* and put a hush on all of his backbench members, because its better to have people think you are stupid than to open your mouth and prove it.

I mean the Bloc was good...But damn those Reformist/CA years saw some pretty fantastic volumes of stupid being broadcast around our nation.

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Sure, more interesting from a Canadian perspective, but pretty boring in world politics. Every country has their right wing wing nuts. Not every country is actively, and purposefully trying to destroy itself from within.
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Sure, more interesting from a Canadian perspective, but pretty boring in world politics. Every country has their right wing wing nuts. Not every country is actively, and purposefully trying to destroy itself from within.


Eh...thats hardly entertaining. The Great Nation of Quebec. Leading Exports: Energy, Maple Syrup, HOF NHL Goaltenders. Leading Imports, everything else. It would actually be more politically humorous to see the new nation support itself once the money stopped pouring in. That leads to currency, I imagine after the first few years of a currency whose strength is based on the maple syrup market would lead to people trading cheese curds and gravy mix instead.

As for the rest of Canada, we would almost instantly see cheaper prices in our stores, No more English/French labeling to help float up costs will be huge, we would also all inherit the money being poured into Quebec from transfer payments, and we could shut down the costly parallel french immersion schools. Maple Syrup would Cost a bit more probably, and the Maple Leafs could be mired without a good goaltender for another 50 years.

But from the standpoint of the 9 predominately English provinces, Quebec leaving could be the economically superior thing for us.
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Bloc Quebeqois used to make it somewhat interesting, but yes, incredibly boring now.


We could try annexing. That would be less boring.
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still boring

Bloc Quebeqois used to make it somewhat interesting, but yes, incredibly boring now.


We could try annexing. That would be less boring.


Just join them, and in 5 years hold a referendum and change the name back to Canada! (thanks Rick mercer)
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Is official!

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/toronto-mayor-rob-ford-admits-smoking-crack-cocaine-172258936.html

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Toronto Mayor Rob Ford dropped a bombshell at City Hall on Tuesday, admitting to reporters that he has smoked crack cocaine.
"Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine," Ford told reporters after arriving at City Hall on Tuesday.



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I figured the appearance of the video, despite it not being viable evidence, was pretty official.
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Not in Canada, the media doesn't dictate guilt or innocence here.
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I assume you all were still talking about it behind his back and making attempts to be cordial while dropping hints that the behavior wasn't appropriate?
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So what is 'admitting to reporters' if not a media story?
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I assume you all were still talking about it behind his back and making attempts to be cordial while dropping hints that the behavior wasn't appropriate?
No, I think everyone was laughing at him to his face.
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My guess is significant drinking problem, maybe some (lots of) pot, with the odd harder drug thrown in when he's partying.

The biggest problem will likely be the drinking. He'll be making the worst decisions as a result of having a few (a few for an alcoholic is much more than a few to other people) too many wobbly pops. He's showing clear signs of an alcoholic/addict who's been called out but I think it's more alcohol leading to drugs than anything. A lot of the typical "I can stop, really, it's not that bad" behavior.

Hardcore crack addicts are usually not functional enough to do what he does, it's not that kind of drug and he's done a reasonable job as mayor despite the multitude of controversies. There are exceptions, I even know a few of those exceptions, but in general you'd know if he's really hitting the pipe.

Ultimately his issue will likely be addiction in general though. It'll apply to everything in his life, drinking, power, drugs, possibly even controversy. He'll take risks others won't because he's use to a higher level of risk in his general life choices.

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#51 Nov 15 2013 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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Lol, Toronto councilors have voted to 'curb' the mayors powers.

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The motion, approved in a 39-3 vote, suspends Ford’s authority to appoint and dismiss the deputy mayor and his executive committee, which runs the budget process. John Filion, the councilor who introduced the motion, has said the goal is to prevent Ford from firing executive committee members who speak out against him.
The Mayor has vowed to fight this in court.

Shenanigans for the last few days lead me to believe he doesn't really want the Mayor job, maybe he never did. He's just holding out for more fame, glory, good times.

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