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#27 Oct 14 2013 at 7:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think critics are being pussies. "Oh noes, someone might call me racist!"

If I had a nickle for every time someone said I hate veterans or hate liberty or don't love my country enough or want Al'Qaeda to win or don't care about 9/11 victims or some other half-assed attempt at an ad hominem attack, I'd be well set to weather the economy. And not just from complete idiots like Varus. Big deal. If your argument against the administration is so weak that "He might call me racist" shatters your ability to project it, you never had much of an argument in the first place. If you need to start saying "Well, if only the president was white, then I could criticize him" then you've already lost the debate before it even started.
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I actually went along that line of reasoning when explaining to someone why so many liberals in the south are relatively quiet on the public front. We learned to shut up lest our own friends and family start calling us pinko commie traitors. So we stopped saying anything in public unless we were career politicians, and turned to online places to organize and protests where we could gather in relatively safe crowds.

That's why civil discourse has fallen apart in this country. Conservatives start their argument with the idea that the person they are debating is simultaneously an "urban" socialist who wants to take money from the people doing work to live a welfare queen lifestyle, getting "free" stuff, that doesn't understand how the real world works. Liberals start their argument with the idea that the person they are debating is a redneck, uneducated backwoods neo-Confederate who has been brainwashed by the elites to do their bidding.

Human beings are a lot messier than either stereotype, but in an online forum when you can't see the person you are arguing with, all you have is a name (or a handle) and the stereotype to fall back on.
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I actually went along that line of reasoning when explaining to someone why so many liberals in the south are relatively quiet on the public front. We learned to shut up lest our own friends and family start calling us pinko commie traitors. So we stopped saying anything in public unless we were career politicians, and turned to online places to organize and protests where we could gather in relatively safe crowds.
I've found this side of liberals to be relatively amusing. A Republican can come into a scene ranting and openly screaming about how something ****** them off, and the country has lost their way, and none of it all makes sense (Republicans really do the righteous indignation thing quite well). The Democrat will sit there quietly listening to the whole thing, maybe mentioning a couple of safe things they agree on, and silently nodding at the rest. The Republican will then leave with some sort of reassurance for their take on life. At that point the rest of the room will breathe a sigh of relief and go out and vote for all the pinko commie traitors they can find.

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#30 Oct 14 2013 at 11:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've learned from dealing with my schizophrenic sister that the best thing to do is just nod and smile and stick to safe topics. Challenging her worldview on something could trigger an episode and that's the last thing I want on my conscious.

So, in essence, Southern Democrats/liberals treat their Republican brethren as if they were mentally ill.

Probably not that far off the mark.
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#31 Oct 14 2013 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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Catwho wrote:
Southern Democrats/liberals treat their Republican brethren as if they were mentally ill.


This is less geographically constrained than one might think. From my own personal experience, Republicans in general are just far less tolerant of dissenting opinions, so much so that it becomes a futile endeavor to engage them on any topic that would challenge their internal bias. The fact that the popular vote disagrees with the overall republican position on most topics should be an obvious counter to this line of thinking, but then again, a healthy majority of Republicans can't see the forest for their trees.


Edited, Oct 14th 2013 2:00pm by BrownDuck
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BrownDuck wrote:
Catwho wrote:
Southern Democrats/liberals treat their Republican brethren as if they were mentally ill.


This is less geographically constrained than one might think. From my own personal experience, Republicans in general are just far less tolerant of dissenting opinions, so much so that it becomes a futile endeavor to engage them on any topic that would challenge their internal bias. The fact that the popular vote disagrees with the overall republican position on most topics should be an obvious counter to this line of thinking, but then again, a healthy majority of Republicans can't see the forest for their trees.


Edited, Oct 14th 2013 2:00pm by BrownDuck
I can agree with the final argument but your premise is flawed. If nothing else reading forums should have shown you that people in general, regardless of political bent, are not tolerant of consenting opinions to any great degree.

The tea party is being supported by their party - even lauded for sticking to their principles. Why should they question their opinion? Cruz is still telling them that the gov. shut down is the fault of the Dems. Why would they believe some other source of information that they don't trust (liberal media) over their own party puppydog?





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#33 Oct 14 2013 at 3:30 PM Rating: Good
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Republicans are stupid and mean and wrong and racist and SO INTOLERANT, U GUYZ

The hypocrisy is hilarious.
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The fact that the popular vote disagrees with the overall republican position on most topics

This is bending the definition of "popular vote" at best.
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Republicans are stupid and mean and wrong and racist and SO INTOLERANT, U GUYZ

The hypocrisy is hilarious.
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#35 Oct 14 2013 at 4:58 PM Rating: Good
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If nothing else reading forums should have shown you that people in general, regardless of political bent, are not tolerant of consenting opinions to any great degree.
I disagree.
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Demea wrote:
BrownDuck wrote:
Republicans are stupid and mean and wrong and racist and SO INTOLERANT, U GUYZ

The hypocrisy is hilarious.


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Nice job proving him wrong.
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Sorry, Ducky. I guess a more accurate paraphrase would have been "Republicans disagree with me, and therefore are intolerant of my opinions because other people agree with me so everybody should."

You see why I find it funny, right?

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Sorry, Ducky. I guess a more accurate paraphrase would have been "Republicans disagree with me, and therefore are intolerant of my opinions because other people agree with me so everybody should."

You see why I find it funny, right?


That's not what I said at all.
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#40 Oct 15 2013 at 4:54 AM Rating: Decent
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So, in essence, Southern Democrats/liberals treat their Republican brethren as if they were mentally ill.


Wait a second, they aren't? They sure as **** act like it.

Seriously though, the Republican party is in such a bad state that they're starting to make McCarthy look somewhat sane. They're not quite there yet, but the day is coming, unless either some major change in their rhetoric happens, or they find a leader who can lead them in the right direction.
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Elinda wrote:
If nothing else reading forums should have shown you that people in general, regardless of political bent, are not tolerant of consenting opinions to any great degree.
I disagree.

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BrownDuck wrote:
Catwho wrote:
Southern Democrats/liberals treat their Republican brethren as if they were mentally ill.


This is less geographically constrained than one might think. From my own personal experience, Republicans in general are just far less tolerant of dissenting opinions, so much so that it becomes a futile endeavor to engage them on any topic that would challenge their internal bias. The fact that the popular vote disagrees with the overall republican position on most topics should be an obvious counter to this line of thinking, but then again, a healthy majority of Republicans can't see the forest for their trees.


Edited, Oct 14th 2013 2:00pm by BrownDuck


From my personal experience, Republicans seem to not understand tolerance and Democrats seem not to understand acceptance. In other words, Republicans have a problem accepting someone as a *person* that doesn't fit their idea of what a person should be. While Democrats have a problem accepting people who tolerates a group of people, but do not fully accept them for who they are.
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Uh, no. Republicans are some of the most intolerant people on the planet. Dems, as a whole, are very "live and let live" provided the living doesn't involve harm to other people (like the Libertarians believe).

No, the difference is that Dems believe the government should stay out of the private lives of the citizens, but be fully vested in taking care of the most vulnerable (e.g. tax the rich to give to the poor) while keeping a tight reign on industry and business, who are notorious for historical abuses.

Republicans believe the government should stay out of the pocketbooks of private citizens, and should leave business alone, but it's totally okay to interfere with the private lives of citizens if they think it's something immoral people ought not to be doing - even if it doesn't directly harm others (one could argue abortion harms another, but *** marriage doesn't harm anybody despite what they say.)
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#44 Oct 15 2013 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
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Uh, no. Republicans are some of the most intolerant people on the planet.
Do you mean hypocritical or bigoted, or stupid?

I just don't see democrats being any more tolerant of republican politics than visa versa.

You don't sound very 'tolerant' of your southern right leaning relatives.
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Only so much racism you can put up with. That sums up most of my relatives who go on about welfare but refused to accept that most people on welfare are white. What was the best was most of my family good god fearing Christians spewed such hate at my cousin for marrying outside our race, so yeah I am very in tolerant of their views.
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No, the difference is that Dems believe the government should stay out of the private lives of the citizens, but be fully vested in taking care of the most vulnerable (e.g. tax the rich to give to the poor) while keeping a tight reign on industry and business, who are notorious for historical abuses.


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You don't sound very 'tolerant' of your southern right leaning relatives.
Cat is blind to the fact hat she is liberal varus.
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You don't sound very 'tolerant' of your southern right leaning relatives.
Cat is blind to the fact hat she is liberal varus.


My spelling and grammar are much better. Smiley: bah

I'd be more tolerant of them if they would stop going on racist, hate filled screeds every five minutes and bemoaning how the country is falling apart because we have a black President (well, I guess the country is falling apart at the moment, but it's not because Obama is black.) At leas they don't believe the End Times are coming, unlike most of their fellow Tea Partiers.

I'm actually very quiet and civil when I'm around them. Sit down, shut up, listen, nod, and smile. Cluck sympathetically. Gently try to steer the conversation around to less volatile subjects. When that fails, outright change the subject. When that fails, leave before my husband gets angry enough to punch the wall.
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My spelling and grammar are much better. Smiley: bah
Very true, I did not give you near enough credit.
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Seriously though, the Republican party is in such a bad state that they're starting to make McCarthy look somewhat sane. They're not quite there yet, but the day is coming, unless either some major change in their rhetoric happens, or they find a leader who can lead them in the right direction.
The ones I feel bad for are the moderate Republicans. The nutters doing most of the screaming and causing a ruckus pretty much have to if they want to survive their primary challengers (let's not even bother to pretend the general election matters to them at this point). It reflects poorly on their more moderate colleges who, while still wanting concessions, are perfectly willing to do find some common-ground/compromise solution that doesn't make the U.S. look suicidal.
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The ones I feel bad for are the moderate Republicans.

I wouldn't feel too bad for them.
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