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#127 Oct 17 2013 at 10:34 AM Rating: Good
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#128 Oct 17 2013 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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The American government truly is the greatest of all soap operas.
#129 Oct 17 2013 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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Because normal people may actually agree with the guy for once...

Probably not. Grover really isn't a normal person magnet. Now Super Grover....nails.
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#130 Oct 17 2013 at 12:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Normal people don't play with puppets, Roo.

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#131 Oct 17 2013 at 4:04 PM Rating: Good
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Still no parliament.
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#132 Oct 18 2013 at 6:11 PM Rating: Decent
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In Canada we box our way out of house/senate dysfunction.




After this Trudeau became liberal leader, and Brazeau was suspended from the senate for assaulting women.

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#133 Oct 19 2013 at 9:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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A couple not-very-liberal voices speaking about the current Republican blind spot:
Charlie Cook wrote:
Here’s a question for conservatives and Republicans: Going into the 2012 Election Day, or even in the last few days before Election Day, did you think Mitt Romney was going to win? A couple of months ago, did you think the strategy of threatening to shut down the government or prevent raising the debt ceiling, to force the outright repeal or defunding of Obamacare, would really work? Romney lost by 4,967,508 votes, 126 Electoral College votes, and 3.85 percentage points. That’s not very close. Obamacare isn’t going to be repealed this year, and it’s not going to be defunded.

So the question is whether conservatives and Republicans should begin to worry if their instincts—specifically, their judgment on matters of politics and policy—are a bit off. Maybe “spectacularly wrong” would be more accurate. Does that worry anyone on the right or in the Republican Party? Are they concerned that continuing to follow such awful political instincts could lead to catastrophic consequences for their movement and their party?

Obviously, not every Republican or conservative thought, up until the end, that Romney would win or that the anti-Obamacare strategies would work. But this increasingly widespread tone deafness should concern party leaders, particularly when it leads to self-destructive decisions, as we are witnessing these days. In politics, it isn’t uncommon to see judgment clouded by emotion, but when hate and contempt predominate, truly awful decisions often result.

Joe Scarborough wrote:
My children and I love watching Peter Pan. In fact, we’ve seen the Disney classic so often through the years that we could probably recite most of the movie from memory. Maybe that’s why the opening lines came so easily to my mind earlier this week while watching a far less joyful tale unfold on Capitol Hill.

“This has all happened before and it will happen again” are the first words to that sweet movie about eternal youth. Unfortunately, those lines also fit a bit too snugly on the carcass of a political movement that seems incapable of learning from past mistakes. Chances are good that Republicans will continue getting blindsided by political events until Republican leaders stop cowering to public figures who insist on filtering out all realities that are in conflict with their preexisting worldviews.

If this sounds all too familiar, it’s because Republicans were licking their wounds around this time last year after being blindsided by a presidential election whose outcome they should have seen coming a mile away. But ignorance was bliss as conservative politicians and talkers pushed bogus polls and political fairy tales to angry voters who were once again on the losing side of history. Media outlets that released polls showing President Obama winning were attacked as biased and conservatives who warned of Romney’s weaknesses were rhetorically burned at the stake as heretics.

Barack Obama won again and Republican leaders swore that next time would be different.

Well, next time came one year later, and one year later, way too many conservatives once again found themselves shocked by the obvious.

Of course the response to this will be: "Oh, ho! We don't need to listen to YOU!..."
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#134 Oct 19 2013 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Obama is a strong leader (at home), he knows how to win. When he was conceding terms over the past few years but still largely getting what he wanted I knew then he was going to rope a dope GOP into a corner. I thought it was going to happen last year prior to the election, but it seems Obama opted to take his chances in beating Romney straight up and save his card to help paint GOP House members as completely incompetent and out of touch with the American public ahead of Congressional Elections in 2014.

Now Obama and the Dems have the clear upper hand moving towards the next vote, and the Republicans kinda sh*t the bed taking a stand here in the middle of an election cycle for no real reason other than to say we still aren't content with that law, only to back down on that stand 3 weeks later when it was clear the American people had had enough of the grandstanding.

Obama and Reid pretty much cemented a house turnaround for 2014 unless the GOP suddenly becomes a cohesive unit, or the Dems @#%^ up (which they are prone to do).

of course that is what I would be saying....if your districts weren't gerrymandered all to sh*t and the likelihood of similar looking congress is very high.


Obama is a pretty crafty looking dude nationally, its too bad Kerry spent a month making him look like a mong internationally (although he is kinda weak).

Edited, Oct 19th 2013 12:06pm by rdmcandie
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#135 Oct 19 2013 at 12:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Obama is a strong leader

No, he isn't.

(at home)

Again, no.

, he knows how to win.


Elections? Maybe. The people he trusts to run campaigns know how to win elections. The people he trusts to further a legislative agenda fuck the dog basically constantly. Winning is not losing the House majority the election before redistricting. Winning is getting your legislation passed quickly. Winning is getting what you want without giving up anything. Obama is a weak president. He'll be remembered for being a weak president. He passed national healthcare...with a SUPERMAJORITY. It took forever, was a weak compromise and he COMPLETELY lost the narrative battle. A "leader" passes that more quickly. A "winner" passes single payer and moves on to other things. A weak president gets run over by the other side and "compromises" when he HAS NO NEED TO because...he's weak.
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#136 Oct 19 2013 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
He knows how to win the hearts of men, pluck them out and serve them warm and throbbing to his reptilian masters.
#137 Oct 19 2013 at 4:43 PM Rating: Default
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Smash wrote:
Elections? Maybe. The people he trusts to run campaigns know how to win elections. The people he trusts to further a legislative agenda @#%^ the dog basically constantly. Winning is not losing the House majority the election before redistricting. Winning is getting your legislation passed quickly. Winning is getting what you want without giving up anything. Obama is a weak president. He'll be remembered for being a weak president. He passed national healthcare...with a SUPERMAJORITY. It took forever, was a weak compromise and he COMPLETELY lost the narrative battle. A "leader" passes that more quickly. A "winner" passes single payer and moves on to other things. A weak president gets run over by the other side and "compromises" when he HAS NO NEED TO because...he's weak.


Being in a career where "leadership" is the core value of success, leadership is very subjective. Take Mr. Boehner for example. To a percentage of America, he seemed weak to allow the minority to voice such a ridiculous opinion and change the coarse of the party. However, you have certain Republicans *believe* that he "fought the good fight" and 'twas the Senate Republicans that were weak.

When it comes to leadership, especially within politics, there will always be a percentage of people who will disagree with your way of leadership. This largely goes into play due to varying personal opinions. People are much more critical from the side lines.

This isn't to say that your comments have no merit, but they don't have any more merit than the statement that you are attempting to contradict.

Edited, Oct 20th 2013 12:44am by Almalieque
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Almalieque wrote:
However, you have certain Republicans *believe* that he "fought the good fight"

That's called politeness and trying to put a good public face on complete failure. Boehner did nothing the entire fight and ended it by failing to pass counter-legislation with a stronger GOP bent through his own caucus. The most he did was not take up a bill that could have ended the "fight" two weeks earlier and twenty percent higher in the polls than what they wound up with.
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#139 Oct 19 2013 at 6:22 PM Rating: Default
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Almalieque wrote:
However, you have certain Republicans *believe* that he "fought the good fight"

That's called politeness and trying to put a good public face on complete failure. Boehner did nothing the entire fight and ended it by failing to pass counter-legislation with a stronger GOP bent through his own caucus. The most he did was not take up a bill that could have ended the "fight" two weeks earlier and twenty percent higher in the polls than what they wound up with.


I don't disagree; however it's not "politeness" because those same republicans criticized the senate republicans for ******** everything up. They honestly believe that he did the right thing. I'm sure you remember that "everyone" thought Boehner was going to lose his speakership and didn't think that the same people who put him into that mess would applaud him for conceding.
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Almalieque wrote:
I don't disagree; however it's not "politeness" because those same republicans criticized the senate republicans for ******** everything up.

House and Senate are two different animals. McConnell isn't going to be allocating House committee assignments.
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They honestly believe that he did the right thing.

They really don't.
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I'm sure you remember that "everyone" thought Boehner was going to lose his speakership

No, they thought Boehner was acting to preserve his Speakership. Which isn't exactly the same thing. What the fiasco really made clear was that no one else would want the job either.
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#141 Oct 19 2013 at 7:33 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
They really don't.


By "they", I mean the people who wanted to shutdown the government. Of course some of those people believe that he shouldn't have "caved in", therefore weak. He was going to lose to one group or another.

Jophiel wrote:
No, they thought Boehner was acting to preserve his Speakership. Which isn't exactly the same thing. What the fiasco really made clear was that no one else would want the job either.


His concern about preserving his Speakership was a given, not an assumption. He already agreed to the CR before the House went on Cruz control and initially stated that the Obamacare tactic was stupid. Knowing all of that, all of the sane people knew he was going to cave, it was a matter of when. So, the concern was on how the house would react when he did. Since he waited till the last minute and not instantly, he was seen as "strong" by some and "weak" by others for even listening to them in the first place.
#142 Oct 19 2013 at 9:50 PM Rating: Good
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rdmcandie wrote:
Obama is a strong leader (at home)
And Romney's business sense would have turned the economy around by now.
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