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#52 Oct 08 2013 at 1:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is a great top of page post. Without context I have to assume Joph won Rilo Kiley tickets.
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I would insist on concessions if I were Jbone, too. I mean, it's worked EVERY OTHER TIME. Whey on earth would you assume Obama suddenly won't cave this time? He's trained the GOP that this is the correct response.
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This is a great top of page post. Without context I have to assume Joph won Rilo Kiley tickets.

Jenny Lewis. The one Rilo Kiley show I saw sucked. Although that was mainly because they (venue? band? who hires this guy?) had a deaf shitmonkey working the soundboard. All the Jenny Lewis shows I've seen though have been ace.
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Jophiel wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
This is a great top of page post. Without context I have to assume Joph won Rilo Kiley tickets.

Jenny Lewis. The one Rilo Kiley show I saw sucked. Although that was mainly because they (venue? band? who hires this guy?) had a deaf shitmonkey working the soundboard. All the Jenny Lewis shows I've seen though have been ace.
I had to read that three times before I realized that you weren't talking about Jerry Lewis.
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I declare reverse-sequester: If this supercommittee fails, we get to raise taxes 25% across the board and declare war on two nations of the GOP's choosing.


Looks like we'll be annexing Canada and Poland.
Pfft, like the GOP would annex Canada when the GOP is already running Canada.
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Jenny Lewis. The one Rilo Kiley show I saw sucked. Although that was mainly because they (venue? band? who hires this guy?) had a deaf ********** working the soundboard. All the Jenny Lewis shows I've seen though have been ace.

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I declare reverse-sequester:
Threaten to not speak for however long it takes before you get your way?
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Jenny Lewis? The girl from that Nintendo movie with Fred Savage and his autistic brother?
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Jenny Lewis? The girl from that Nintendo movie with Fred Savage and his autistic brother?

I'm more worried about why you can identify the actors from that film. You need to get out more.
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Jenny Lewis? The girl from that Nintendo movie with Fred Savage and his autistic brother?

I'm more worried about why you can identify the actors from that film. You need to get out more.

I forgot about Beau Bridges and Christian Slater...
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It takes two sides to disagree.
One side being utterly @#%^ing ridiculous makes it easy to disagree though.


I agree. The side that says "we'll spend $1T more money than we're taking in every single year for four years and then refuse to meet with the other side to discuss that fact despite that our job requires us to do this" is being pretty ridiculous.


Which has absolutely nothing to do with the money already spent. Two separate issues. You can pass a clean CR and address the ACA spending afterwards.


No. We can't. That's the problem. It's somewhat amusing to constantly hear the Democrats bemoaning the evil Republicans using some required legislative deadline as a means to try to force them to negotiate on some budget thing or other, given that the Democrats have steadfastly refused to even sit down to discuss such things *unless* there's some looming deadline hanging over their heads.

When the only thing that will bring you to the table is a crisis like this, you're kinda setting up the situation, aren't you? As I've said before, the Democrats have failed to pass a budget for 4+ years (even when they controlled Congress). The CRs (and deadlines to extend them) exist *because* we have failed to reach any sort of budget agreements. They are not unrelated subjects.

Put another way: If your claim was true, then we wouldn't be here right now. The reality is that the Dems have been saying for four years "Let's just pass a CR and we'll discuss budget afterwards", and then they don't discuss the budget until the CR is set to expire. Then they repeat the same argument. So no. If the GOP lets a "clean CR" go through, we wont get any budget negotiations from Democrats. And in 6 months or whatever time frame the extension lasts, we'll be back here again. And you'll make the same argument, having completely forgotten that it wasn't true the time before, or the time before that, or the time before that.

How many times must the GOP give the Dems the benefit of the doubt before they hold them to their word?
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And yet, it was Senate Republicans that blocked the 21st attempt at forming a budget committee today. Filibustered!
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When the only thing that will bring you to the table is a crisis like this, you're kinda setting up the situation, aren't you?


Exactly. The very reasonable GOP is well known for it's a priori moderation of positions and pro active negotiating techniques. Their willingness to eschew obstructionism and govern fairly has given rise to them being referred to colloquially as "Clays" harkening back to days of the Great Compromiser himself. Noted GOP orator Shooter McGavin has frequently noted that the party as whole enjoys making things out of clay down by the bay because of the symbolic importance.
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Noted GOP orator Shooter McGavin ...


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And yet, it was Senate Republicans that blocked the 21st attempt at forming a budget committee today. Filibustered!


Um... Because it's the same thing I just explained to Alma that didn't work in the past and wont work today. Saying "we'll form a budget committee, but only if you agree to continue funding everything we want" isn't exactly a fair offer, is it? It's like saying "We'll discuss what we'll have for lunch after we eat lunch at my favorite restaurant". There's no guarantee that said budget committee will result in any sort of budget agreement, doubly so if the Democrats have already gotten what they wanted before anyone sits down at the table.

I'll repeat the same thing I said earlier about these conference committees (may have been in this thread, don't remember): The House rules require that the conference resolve whatever issue it's formed for within 20 days of members being assigned. Those who don't know this might take Reid's offer to "immediately seat members for a conference committee" as some kind of positive concession from him. But the reality is that by doing this, he's basically ensuring that nothing will come out of the conference. So he's not even offering something that might result in a budget agreement. He's essentially saying "give us what we want, and we'll give you nothing in return". But he's doing it in such a way that ignorant people will think he's making a fair offer.


That's reasonable politics, but that's all it is. Only the foolish and the ignorant would think it's a fair offer though. If he were serious about reaching a budget agreement, he would have gone through the process of negotiating such a conference, along with a full agenda, and all the pre-work required to make one work, and he would have done this months ago. Instead, he just tosses out a PR stunt designed to fool the masses, while doing nothing that will actually result in a budget deal.


At this point, the only thing that will work is some kind of actual funding reduction agreement as part of the CR. It probably doesn't even have to be that huge. But the Dems are trying to play this out in the media instead of actually trying to fix the problem. That'll work for awhile, but not forever.

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The House rules require that the conference resolve whatever issue it's formed for within 20 days of members being assigned.

Or else what?
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The House rules require that the conference resolve whatever issue it's formed for within 20 days of members being assigned.

Or else what?
They'll decide in a match of rock/paper/scissors.
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To save Gbaji any more frantic Googling, the answer is... "not much".

After 20 days without resolution, members of the House may offer to make a "motion to instruct" which is merely a non-binding vote to say "Keep at it" or "Don't include new taxes" or whatever. Here is a semi-recent example* in all its terrifying action:
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The House voted 386-34 on Wednesday to instruct conferees to the House-Senate negotiations on a highway bill to finish their work by Friday.

The vote is the latest attempt by House members to influence the ongoing talks, although the move is largely seen as symbolic and the vote is nonbinding.

Rep. Tim Walz (D-Minn.) introduced the motion to instruct this week, and urged support as a way to recognize that Congress as a whole needs to do its job better. The resolution was debated Tuesday.
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After the vote, House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) and Rep. Diane Black (R-Tenn.) said they would bring up additional motions to instruct. Hoyer's would call on the House to accept the Senate bill, and Black's would call on the House to reject Senate language establish grants to fight distracted driving.

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD -- I can see why it would be worth refusing to work on a budget and drive the nation to the brink of economic collapse to prevent that! Did you READ that?! One guy offered a motion saying "Hurry up" and two other may want votes on things too!! And they let this happen in a supposed house of legislature?

Look, I'm sorry I ever doubted Gbaji. I, for one, do not want to live in a world where members of the US House of Representatives ask to have votes on non-binding instructions to conferees. But wait! What's this?

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Democrats announced Saturday that, in exchange for Republicans appointing conferees to hash out a long dormant budget resolution, they would forfeit their right to offer a “motion to instruct” the House conferees. That’s a tactic minority lawmakers are allowed to employ if a conference report hasn’t been filed within 20 days of appointing conferees. It’s also one of the few devices available to the minority party to break majority hegemony in the House.

Alas, the Speaker hasn't taken them up on it and even this thin, pathetic reed of an argument has been washed away from Gbaji's grasp Smiley: frown

*Really, the US House has done so little in the last couple years that very little has gone to conference and there isn't much to pick from. As I noted in the other thread, it sure would be terrible if a motion to instruct interrupted the House's busy schedule of voting to defund the ACA for the 50th time and demanding investigations into why government parks closed during a government shutdown.


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The House rules require that the conference resolve whatever issue it's formed for within 20 days of members being assigned.
Or else what?
They'll decide in a match of rock/paper/scissors.
I'd bet it was Monopoly.
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As I noted in the other thread, it sure would be terrible if a motion to instruct interrupted the House's busy schedule of voting to defund the ACA for the 50th time and demanding investigations into why government parks closed during a government shutdown.

No no, not "shutdown" : "slimdown" You must have missed the Frank Luntz messaging seminar.

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The House rules require that the conference resolve whatever issue it's formed for within 20 days of members being assigned.
Or else what?
They'll decide in a match of rock/paper/scissors.
I'd bet it was Monopoly.

And then there's the exploratory committee to decide on who will be the tophat...
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No. We can't.


Not only can you, but they will.

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When the only thing that will bring you to the table is a crisis like this, you're kinda setting up the situation, aren't you? As I've said before, the Democrats have failed to pass a budget for 4+ years (even when they controlled Congress). The CRs (and deadlines to extend them) exist *because* we have failed to reach any sort of budget agreements.


Exactly, so you think something will magically come up in 7 days? Obviously Democrats fail at managing money, so you think this 4+ year problem will be resolved in a week? Pay the bills, then address the issues that keep us in the crisis to crisis mentality.

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They are not unrelated subjects.


The Republicans asked to delay the individual mandates of ACA. That has absolutely nothing to do with the problem mentioned above, which is a failure to manage money. Delaying ACA mandates do not resolve any of those issues, so ironically, you're just "putting it off" in the same manner which you ridicule. So, if you're so bent on solving the entire problem in a week, delaying ACA for a year will not magically address the fundamental issues you have with ACA nor will it address spending if DEMS can cut spending else where.

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