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#1 Oct 02 2013 at 11:11 AM Rating: Default
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We can only assume of prescription painkiller overdose or the like.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/03/books/tom-clancy-best-selling-novelist-of-military-thrillers-dies-at-66.html

Tom Clancy, whose complex, adrenaline-fueled military novels made him one of the world’s best-selling and best-known authors, died on Tuesday in a hospital in Baltimore. He was 66.

Man, I love a good terrible, terrible, terrible author's death. This is slightly more exciting than when Robert Jordan (aka Jimmy Ringley) died, and obviously a pale shadow of the global celebration by people who can read that will follow Dan Brown's inevitable death by falling illuminanti sculpture.
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#2 Oct 02 2013 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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I like Clancy a zillion times more than Dan Brown. But there's already a thread about this in the OoT.
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This one has a distinctly different tone though.
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there's already a thread about this in the OoT.

Who gives a fuck? It's a news story. There are threads everywhere I'm sure. The idea that I'm going to check OOT before I comment on current events is preposterous.
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Just as well, research is a waste of time anyway.
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#7 Oct 02 2013 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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I like Clancy a zillion times more than Dan Brown.

Well Dan Brown almost certainly requires assistance to type, being easily confused by the symbolic puzzles of QWERTY. His assistant, tall handsome Oxford educated typist Simon Huntandpeckington happily punches the plastic keys of the device that contains letters and allows them to pass electronically from the users hands and into the central processing unit of the box that holds the computer...for him.

Clancy is a horrible writer. Probably worse for me than most people. I imagine lawyers probably don't like to read John Grisham, etc.
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Just as well, research is a waste of time anyway.

The dictionary called and said "fuck you". Checking OOT is research? Of what? Reddit from 3 weeks ago?
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Just as well, research is a waste of time anyway.
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I assume my Splinter Cell games have just skyrocketed in value.


They're now worth a can of soda, three buttons AND a hula hoop!
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I assume my Splinter Cell games have just skyrocketed in value.


They're now worth a can of soda, three buttons AND a hula hoop!

Or 4 batcoins. Take your pick.
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I could certainly use a hula hoop.
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He has to keep writing himself into his books in order to keep the spell that binds him to this world active.
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He's been dead for the best part of a decade. He's being ghost-written by a pair of slippers possessed by the spirits of the unburied dead.
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He's been dead for the best part of a decade. He's being ghost-written by a pair of slippers possessed by the spirits of the unburied dead.


Coincidentally the plot of his next novel.
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The twist is it was actually the table lamp all along.
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The twist is it was actually the table lamp all along.


King, not Shamalamadingdong.
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The hunt for Red October was awsome. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't get to like submarines.
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The hunt for Red October was awsome. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't get to like submarines.

I never knew there were so many things in an engine room that don't react well to bullets.
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The twist is it was actually the table lamp all along.


King, not Shamalamadingdong.

You're not even trying anymore, are you.
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Debalic wrote:
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The twist is it was actually the table lamp all along.


King, not Shamalamadingdong.

You're not even trying anymore, are you.


When can I have it....


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The hunt for Red October was awsome. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't get to like submarines.

The submarine parts are, I assume, fine. I've never been aboard a submarine. The intelligence parts are laugh out loud stupid.
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Stand in a narrow hall and punch yourself in the ear a couple of times. Congratulations, you're on a submarine.
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The hunt for Red October was awsome. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't get to like submarines.

The submarine parts are, I assume, fine. I've never been aboard a submarine. The intelligence parts are laugh out loud stupid.


Well sure, that's a given. But you read it for the submarine parts.
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I've been aboard a submarine, but not while it was.
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I've been under a Marine, does that count?
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I liked a lot of his early books, but frankly he peaked years ago so I can't say I'm all broken up about it.
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The hunt for Red October was awsome. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't get to like submarines.

The submarine parts are, I assume, fine. I've never been aboard a submarine. The intelligence parts are laugh out loud stupid.


There wasn't a whole lot of intelligence parts in the book (and even less in the film) though. And nothing at all on how they obtained it (at least not any I recall). Clancy hadn't developed the Clark character yet when he wrote that book, so the intelligence gathering process wasn't much more than "Many Bothans died to bring us this information" in terms of detail.

That would be a much better criticism to level at say The Cardinal and the Kremlin, or The Sum of All Fears, or Clear and Present Danger.
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Clancy hadn't developed the Clark character yet when he wrote that book, so the intelligence gathering process wasn't much more than "Many Bothans died to bring us this information" in terms of detail.

Have you read the book?
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Clancy hadn't developed the Clark character yet when he wrote that book, so the intelligence gathering process wasn't much more than "Many Bothans died to bring us this information" in terms of detail.

Have you read the book?


Yes. Have you? Fun fact (for those of us who have read the book): There's a reference in the book to Ryan's actions (and honorary knighthood) in The Hunt for Red October, even though the events don't occur until Patriot Games (which was written later). It's why he's working with the Brits and gains access to the information about the new sub in the first place. I suppose it's possible this is what you were referring to? Again though, it's presented in a very simplistic "British intelligence shares this with Ryan, he shows it to his bosses, then hilarity ensues" manner. There's more or less zero actual intelligence gathering information in the book.

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Yes. Have you? Fun fact (for those of us who have read the book): There's a reference in the book to Ryan's actions (and honorary knighthood) in The Hunt for Red October, even though the events don't occur until Patriot Games (which was written later). It's why he's working with the Brits and gains access to the information about the new sub in the first place. I suppose it's possible this is what you were referring to? Again though, it's presented in a very simplistic "British intelligence shares this with Ryan, he shows it to his bosses, then hilarity ensues" manner. There's more or less zero actual intelligence gathering information in the book.

So you haven't read the book then. Why bother commenting?
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Yes. Have you? Fun fact (for those of us who have read the book): There's a reference in the book to Ryan's actions (and honorary knighthood) in The Hunt for Red October, even though the events don't occur until Patriot Games (which was written later). It's why he's working with the Brits and gains access to the information about the new sub in the first place. I suppose it's possible this is what you were referring to? Again though, it's presented in a very simplistic "British intelligence shares this with Ryan, he shows it to his bosses, then hilarity ensues" manner. There's more or less zero actual intelligence gathering information in the book.

So you haven't read the book then. Why bother commenting?


Um... Ok. So providing information you'd only know if you'd read the book rather than just seen the film isn't sufficient evidence that I've read the book? Strange...

Compared to pretty much all of Clancy's later books, The Hunt for Red October is incredibly intelligence light. Of all the books to point at and say "boy he got the intelligence part of that totally wrong", it really should be at the bottom of the list. If you think otherwise, how about instead of me having to guess at what you're referring to, you actually tell us what parts he got so horribly wrong then? You know, since you bothered to make the comment in the first place.

I'm beginning to suspect that *you* have never read the book and are basing your observations on the film instead. And yeah, in the film they gloss over several key facts in a really short handed way. Like, for example how Ryan is magically the only person in the world who can figure out what Ramius is actually doing, when in the book, they knew the Soviet story was BS pretty much from day one and spent significant resources arranging the whole "fake sinking" thing (including taking an old sub that was slated for scrap and sending it out to be "sunk" in a deep part of the ocean so as to cover for the fact that the RO was snagged). That, and the film basically merges like 3 different sub encounters into one (and there were a whole lot more subs involved in the book to start with). Simplified for the screen, but you lose some of the explanation as to how/why things happened along the way.

As far as I recall, the only intelligence gathering or analysis in the book involved two parts:

1. Information about the sub itself. Again, this was more of the form of "British operatives got these pictures", and "Hey. I wonder if that's a new silent drive system?".

2. Figuring out that the letter from Ramius purporting to plan to nuke the US the soviets provide is faked. Again though, this is sorta hand waved over in the book. There's a bit more to it than in the film (which amounts to Ryan just deciding that he knows that Ramius wouldn't do such a thing), but IIRC, in the book it was just a "double agent tells us it's faked and he really wants to defect" type of deal.

The rest of the book deals pretty exclusively with technical details and plot development (and sub chases). Again, the intelligence parts of it are pretty much just handed out. By far the bigger stretch in the whole thing is why Ryan ends out being personally involved in the whole thing. But that's sort of a staple in Clancy's books, so chalk it up to suspension of disbelief. It's not a story if Ryan doesn't end out involved in improbable ways. Kinda like asking "Hey! Why the **** is Ryan hopping on that chopper to take part in the rescue of one of the three (yes, there were three) assault teams in Clear and Present Danger?" (btw, that was a film they massively changed from the book, almost as much as Sum of All Fears). You just kinda go with it.

But hey. I get that sometimes people get **** about such things.

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Compared to pretty much all of Clancy's later books, The Hunt for Red October is incredibly intelligence light. Of all the books to point at and say "boy he got the intelligence part of that totally wrong", it really should be at the bottom of the list. If you think otherwise, how about instead of me having to guess at what you're referring to, you actually tell us what parts he got so horribly wrong then? You know, since you bothered to make the comment in the first place.

So you haven't read the book, but you want me to cite from the book you haven't read so you can argue about it. That sounds delightful, but I have an appointment with myself to rub fluoroantimonic acid on my balls, which sounds slightly more interesting just right now. Maybe later.
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Compared to pretty much all of Clancy's later books, The Hunt for Red October is incredibly intelligence light. Of all the books to point at and say "boy he got the intelligence part of that totally wrong", it really should be at the bottom of the list. If you think otherwise, how about instead of me having to guess at what you're referring to, you actually tell us what parts he got so horribly wrong then? You know, since you bothered to make the comment in the first place.

So you haven't read the book, but you want me to cite from the book you haven't read so you can argue about it. That sounds delightful, but I have an appointment with myself to rub fluoroantimonic acid on my balls, which sounds slightly more interesting just right now. Maybe later.


For those just joining us, this is how Smash admits he was wrong.
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For those just joining us, this is how Smash admits he was wrong.


No, no. That looks like this:

"I was wrong"

This is me not wanting to litigate if you've read a ****** book or not when it's clear you haven't. There is no possible way I can be proven "wrong" or "right" about that. We both know the reality, no one else cares an iota about it. Googling a book isn't reading it, someone with a little more research ability might be able to fake that, but you can't. The end.
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For those just joining us, this is how Smash admits he was wrong.


No, no. That looks like this:

"I was wrong"

This is me not wanting to litigate if you've read a sh*tty book or not when it's clear you haven't.


Says the guy who has shown no sign that he's read the book to the guy who has.
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For those just joining us, this is how Smash admits he was wrong.


No, no. That looks like this:

"I was wrong"

This is me not wanting to litigate if you've read a sh*tty book or not when it's clear you haven't.


Says the guy who has shown no sign that he's read the book to the guy who has.


This "I'm rubber dog **** and you're rubber poo" stuff is asinine.
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Says the guy who has shown no sign that he's read the book to the guy who has.


Right. It's widely known I rarely read books. When I haven't read them, though, I will absolutely make offhand comments about why I thought they were poorly written. Because I like the waves of loving praise I receive for doing so. It's the only thing that keeps me going.
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For those just joining us, this is how Smash admits he was wrong.

No, no. That looks like this:

"I was wrong"

This is me not wanting to litigate if you've read a sh*tty book or not when it's clear you haven't.
Says the guy who has shown no sign that he's read the book to the guy who has.
This "I'm rubber dog sh*t and you're rubber poo" stuff is asinine.
I'll take this over the thirty page essays saying the exact same thing that is the norm.
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Says the guy who has shown no sign that he's read the book to the guy who has.


Right. It's widely known I rarely read books. When I haven't read them, though, I will absolutely make offhand comments about why I thought they were poorly written. Because I like the waves of loving praise I receive for doing so. It's the only thing that keeps me going.


So... still no sign that you've actually read the book we're talking about then. Got it.
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I was going to make a haunted house set on a replica of an abandoned soviet submarine. I struggled with a good name for it though. I finally settled on "The Iosef Stalin Happy fun time 5 year plan hour!"

Needless to say I never got any backers. All the potential investors kept insisting on a name change. "The haunt for red october"? I don't get it.
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