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#152 Oct 02 2013 at 9:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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The general Senate budget that should be in committee isn't much like the continuing resolution. It contains tax increases, spending on stuff the GOP hates, free abortions performed by illegal immigrants, etc. But it's every bit as valid as the House's version which eliminates all taxes, murders Big Bird and requires sick Hispanic children to die in the gutters. Point being, neither budget, as is, would pass the other chamber in a million years. But that's why both chambers pass their version and then meet in the conference committee to reconcile a new compromise budget. The committee that the GOP refuses to hold or appoint members for.
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#153 Oct 02 2013 at 10:08 AM Rating: Decent
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I think it is not as safe as it has been thanks to our unpopular tea-party gov. Though I've not heard much rumblings of a strong candidate to run against her.

Chellie Pingree is the best match up, she'll lose by 20. Michaud loses by more. Sadly, Angus King can't hold both Senate seats, he'd probably win again easy.
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#154 Oct 02 2013 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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Any ballpark on the cost of competitiveness? It's probably too expensive, considering the gap, but how much would the DNC need for the seat?
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Any ballpark on the cost of competitiveness? It's probably too expensive, considering the gap, but how much would the DNC need for the seat?

They need a better candidate, really. Hard to calculate how much that costs. Susan Collins is well regarded in Maine and does an excellent job of appearing to be Very Serious and trying to find common ground between both parties on issues important to Mainers. Maine voters find the idea of their Senator as the person who solves the fancy folks problems with straight talk and Yankee ingenuity very appealing. Probably because they're mostly starving francophone potato farmers with less teeth than children. I mean, not Nexa's family, of course. Those people are lovely.
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#156 Oct 02 2013 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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She doesn't carry the same stature that Olympia Snow did, but she's not seriously pissed off any particular group either. She's very committed. Her first term as senator she had a 100% voting record. Mainers like that kind of thing.

I'm not sure Chellie could carry the center. She's pretty left.

I think as an incumbent Susan should be able to win her seat without any problems. The biggest problem I see for her is her chosen partyers have become the party-poopers. She's already publicly thrown her support behind Lepage for next Gov race. You'd think that not a smart move with the trouble he's caused. I can only surmise that the tea party carries one big fat checkbook.
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You'd think that not a smart move with the trouble he's caused.

Just comes of as loyalty when he loses.
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Robert Costa has an AMA going on Reddit. I can't stand Reddit's format but found it worthwhile to just read Costa's profile page for all his responses and hit the "context" button when it was needed. Some highlights (not necessarily in order):
Robert Costa of National Review wrote:
Some good points here, and I'd add another to the mix: due to the way the Tea Party, Ted Cruz, and others rallied behind the defunding idea in the summer, all of these factors started to coalesce around the concept, which then snowballed into something larger than most of the right blocs could have expected. It then became the House strategy, because Boehner was under pressure to go along. So a rally cry by a few on repeal/defund goes from being sentiment of most in GOP to becoming the party's official position, and what we're watching now is the consequence of that series of events. Democrats read the writing on the wall and decided to sit on their hands and let the scene play out as Republican leaders struggled to control their own narrative.
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That's Reid's point: he thinks the House Rs will ultimately break and concede that clean CR is only option. This Reid posture infuriates House conservatives, though, and makes them only dig in more--and the shutdown continues as both sides strain not to blink. Besides, the conference idea by the House GOP was crafted at the last minute and was more of a messaging exercise than anything. Evidence: during first "conference meeting," the GOP had meeting with empty chairs.
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CR is brief, and conference move by Boehner is just another signal from the leadership that this will all be worked out as part of the debt limit... boehner is at a point where if he doesn't come back with a concession, after Right stirred pot for months, he risks his power.
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And sometimes the goal of politicians is to stay in power within their own party, not just to ensure the party itself keeps its power.
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The president and Senate Dems believe the House GOP has a poor negotiating position due to internal GOP problems and president's 2012 victory, so as much as they may acknowledge problems with the ACA, they're not going to engage in talks about defund/delay--and they believe the political dynamics will work in their favor as they hold firm.
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Folks, here's what I'm hearing about the latest news, that the WH and Hill leaders will huddle to discuss CR... Republicans are skeptical that Obama will offer anything on the CR that they can sell to their conference, but the leadership will be looking to see how much he's willing to play ball, at least at this early stage, on things like entitlement reform/sequestration as the debt limit nears.
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There's a reason for their optimism, even if it is eventually proven to be unrealistic optimism. They look back at 2011 (think Woodward, Price of Politics) and they were able to get sequestration. They think, if they play their cards right, they can do the same w/ CR and debt limit this month. But the prob is that 2011 was a different political climate than fall 2013; GOP had just won House, Obama was on ropes. Now, instead of being in constant talks w/ WH a la 2011, the GOP civil war is a public spectacle, which hurts their ability to make similar fiscal demands.
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Most of the conference is well aware of the consequences of default. In fact, over the past few years, the House GOP leadership has actually hosted private meetings for members about what default means and why it shouldn't happen. But, at the same time, Republicans are very eager to get some kind of 2011-esque concession from the White House and Senate Democrats on the budget, when they were able to pass legislation that led to sequestration. Of course, the political climate then was different, due to the GOP having recently won the House, but the GOP is hoping for a similar outcome this time, and you have leaders like Paul Ryan publicly talking about a larger agreement being possible. I'm still skeptical though, since most Republicans are unwilling, at all, to bend on taxes, and Democrats aren't exactly scrambling to cut a big deal with Boehner, who they think is in a weakened position.
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Remember, the defund/repeal efforts aren't only about actually killing the law or even bringing Obama to the table, but about messaging ahead of the 2014 midterms. Republicans are already planning to, once again, run against Obamacare and these campaigns against the law are part of setting up that argument. The shutdown, in a sense, is the ultimate messaging opportunity, since it coincides with the beginning of Obamacare's implementation, when Republicans are trying to make a broad case about federal dysfunction and bureaucracy. So I don't think many GOPers think Obama will kill his signature bill, but they are hoping to have a better chance of killing it in the coming years by chipping away at it this year, before it sort of calcifies in the public imagination.
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The endgame for both sides right now is murky. I don't think, though, that it's a so-called "clean CR," which is what Harry Reid wants and Boehner doesn't. Instead, it's likely going to be a clean-ish CR--a clean CR with a smaller Democratic concession attached--and then a promise to fight on toward the debt-limit deadline. But Reid isn't under pressure yet to do this, which is why he keeps sending every House bill back. As long as he believes House Rs will shoulder the blame for the shutdown, his endgame is simply not blinking, and hoping Boehner eventually gives in or faces pressures from the inside or outside that shake up the stalemate.
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Both the CR to fund the government and the debt limit are increasingly interrelated, and I keep hearing how, if the shutdown continues, the final deal for both showdowns will be combined. In the meantime, House Republicans are trying to deal with the lack of appropriations by selectively funding parts of the government, such as the national parks or the Washington, D.C. city government. It's a small-ball strategy meant to put Democrats in a corner by pressuring them to slowly reopen the government--and for now, Democrats are resisting.
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Remember, the defund/repeal efforts aren't only about actually killing the law or even bringing Obama to the table, but about messaging ahead of the 2014 midterms. Republicans are already planning to, once again, run against Obamacare and these campaigns against the law are part of setting up that argument. The shutdown, in a sense, is the ultimate messaging opportunity, since it coincides with the beginning of Obamacare's implementation, when Republicans are trying to make a broad case about federal dysfunction and bureaucracy. So I don't think many GOPers think Obama will kill his signature bill, but they are hoping to have a better chance of killing it in the coming years by chipping away at it this year, before it sort of calcifies in the public imagination.


They're planning to run against Obamacare again? After it will have been out, and functioning, and providing health care to people that are now happy with it (when they used to be annoyed)? Or they aren't happy with it, but have stopped caring because it will have become the new normal?

Brilliant.

He says it right there. It's not a long-term political position. And making it such just incentives not yielding on the Democrat's side.
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Hahahaha... GOP says it wants to open a Congressional House probe into why the monuments in DC were closed down. During the government shutdown.

Smiley: laugh

That's your GOP House in action, folks!
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#161 Oct 02 2013 at 7:17 PM Rating: Good
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Can they make it is seem like they are even more out of touch with reality, or how the Government works in the first place.
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You would think one person in the caucus would say "Hey guys...the government is shutdown."

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The E-Verify system has been shut down but the GOP is willing to pass a bill re-opening national parks.

Priorities! Smiley: laugh

Good. The schools were supposed to go to the FDR Home this week.
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All those trees are important to our continued prosperity, after all.
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This is Texas Congressman Neugebauer confronting a park ranger at the WWII memorial...

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"How do you look at them and... deny them access?" said Neugebauer. He, with most House Republicans, had voted early Sunday morning to pass a funding measure that would delay the Affordable Care Act, a vote that set up a showdown with the Senate and President Barack Obama. With the parties unable to agree on how to fund the federal government, non-essential government functions shut down Tuesday.

"It's difficult," responded the Park Service employee.

"Well, it should be difficult," replied the congressman, who was carrying a small American flag in his breast pocket.

"It is difficult," responded the Park Service employee. "I'm sorry, sir."

"The Park Service should be ashamed of themselves," the congressman said.

"I'm not ashamed," replied the ranger.

At that point, a crowd of onlookers got involved. "Ask those questions of the people who aren't passing the budget," shouted a voice from the crowd. "That's who you need to ask these questions to."

"This woman is doing her job, just like me," shouted another. "I'm a 30-year federal veteran -- I'm out of work."

The man, wearing a bicycle helmet, at this point was face to face with the congressman.

"Well, the reason you are is because Mr. Reid decided to shut down the government," responded Neugebauer, referring to the top Senate Democrat.

"No, it's because the government won't do its job and pass a budget," the bicyclist responded.

"The House did its job; it passed appropriations. The Senate hasn't," said another voice from the crowd.

Neugebauer walked away at that point.

My question is how the fuck do people like this become lawmakers in our federal government?

Here's the video if you're so inclined....

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My question is how the fuck do people like this become lawmakers in our federal government?
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Gotta love a party that responds to a crisis by forcing a bill to fund nice veteran photo-ops versus funding, say, WIC.

From what I can tell from Senator Kirk's Twitter feed, he has done nothing for the last several days except self-congratulatory ************ at the WWII memorial with various groups of vets.
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Gotta love a party that responds to a crisis by forcing a bill to fund nice veteran photo-ops versus funding, say, WIC.

From what I can tell from Senator Kirk's Twitter feed, he has done nothing for the last several days except self-congratulatory ************ at the WWII memorial with various groups of vets.


No ****.
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Why would the Park Service be ashamed? They're following orders from above. This is how trickle-down really works.
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Park Service is Big Government trying to stop Real Americans from seeing the memorial!
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According to Rep. Tammy Duckworth (who emailed me special, I'm sure) even the stand-alone Veterans Affairs funding bill the House tried to pass actually cut $6 billion from its budget.
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According to Rep. Tammy Duckworth (who emailed me special, I'm sure) even the stand-alone Veterans Affairs funding bill the House tried to pass actually cut $6 billion from its budget.

Well, they probably figured that when they ran out of benefits they'd just sign up for Obamacare.
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#173 Oct 03 2013 at 3:02 PM Rating: Excellent
The whole reason the memorials have to be closed is that if someone runs in and vandalizes them they don't have anyone to clean them up. Duh.
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Well, that's actually sort of true. The Park Police are still working since they're law enforcement. All the rest of the workers: the non-LEO Park Rangers, maintenance, first aid responders, etc are shut down. So everything from assisting visitors with directions to basic cleaning, sweeping, repairs and all the functions for the Park Service beyond chasing vandals and drunks away aren't happening. Some people seem to think that a large open area visited by thousands of people daily just magically keeps itself up.
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Well, I suppose there is good news in all of this.

Israel did not get his gil. Officially anyway.
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I love watching as the Republicans publicly getting angry with the Tea Partiers get more and more conservative. First it was just the swing states, now you have safer Republicans getting annoyed. Smiley: lol

I'm also rather enjoying the fact that they refuse to disclose their endgame (if they even have one) to the party. It's fun to see which Republicans are just blind followers and which actually have some balls.
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