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#1 Sep 16 2013 at 9:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/police-search-for-active-shooter-on-grounds-of-washington-navy-yard-in-southeast-dc/2013/09/16/b1d72b9a-1ecb-11e3-b7d1-7153ad47b549_story.html

Police now believe two shooters, including one in fatigues, have killed four people and wounded eight others at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday, throwing the region into fear and chaos during the morning commute.

At least one of the shooters is “down,” police said mid-morning, but it was unclear whether that means the suspect has been arrested or shot. They said the other suspect remains at large, and police believe they have pinned down one between the third and fourth floors of one of the buildings on the installation in Southeast Washington.


Still in the early "let's just fucking guess" stage of news reporting, but it's become increasingly clear that gun control advocates have just full stop lost this debate. Nothing will come of this, random shootings of vulnerable and less vulnerable people is something the US population clearly is ok with if it allows them to feel personally safer or more powerful in some way. Oh well.
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Does the Navy have guns? Maybe they could have thrown a boat at him.
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Why haven't they started shelling the possible location of the second shooter in order to flush him out?
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It's not the Navy's guns you have to worry about, but one of them swimming up your toilet and strangling you to death.
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Does the Navy have guns?

In theory. Mostly they dress up as Donald Duck and ferry Marines around to do fighting. I did see a few shooting the water once, fighting Poseidon, but those were probably personal arms.
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It's not the Navy's guns you have to worry about, but one of them swimming up your toilet and strangling you to death.


The Navy is recruiting petshop pythons now?
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They're cheaper to train and sustain. I'm pretty sure my job could be done by a hamster.
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In the Navy it's pythons with guns.
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Yes, they don't work on land though.
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Seven dead now and perhaps a bad guy, or two, on the loose.

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Clearly the Navy should recruit more blind people.
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****. Death toll went from 0-4 since I checked the news this morning. Smiley: frown

You know you're jaded about mass shootings when "only 12 wounded? that's not so bad" is your first thought.

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Maybe you can recruit Bijou for them?
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If you want to kill someone, you can just do it with a knife, a fork, a pencil, a paperclip, a folded notebook paper ninja star, etc.

So obviously no one there wanted these guys dead. Else they would have been paperclipped to death.
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Swingline makes an attachment that turns their standard stapler into a semi-automatic.




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Swingline makes an attachment that turns their standard stapler into a semi-automatic.


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Edited, Sep 16th 2013 3:15pm by Shaowstrike



If there were an "Appropriate usage of a goofy meme" award, you should win it.
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The Navy mostly just has mops and such, but that's why they keep the Marines around.

**** shame, are people getting crazier or just more angry? I blame video games.....




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It's all the media's fault for sensationalizing it and encouraging the copycats. If they'd just stop reporting gun crimes no one would feel the need to shoot anyone ever again.
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Given this further proof that American Citizens are repeatedly subjected to inhumane & terrorising incidents, we can only hope that countries with a conscience will get a UN resolution passed to intervene against this heartless regime.

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In before Gbaji blames Obama.
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It seems to me that these days in the US you are more likely to be killed by a public servant in uniform.

I read that story and then looked to see how many people had been killed by the police annually. Its surprisingly hard to find an answer, tho lolwiki says 587 last year.

If you type Police +brutality+US into YouTube then it returns almost 700,000 results.

I spose a dozen deaths in one event is more newsworthy but when you see pictures like this or this, I do wonder if the Gbaji 'right to bear arms' crowd may have a point.
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If you type cannibal into youtube you get 1.7m results. That sure is a lot of proof about cannibalism!
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If you type Police +brutality+US into YouTube then it returns almost 700,000 results.
If you type blah + blah + blah into youtube you get 1.6 million hits.

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If you type cannibal into youtube you get 1.7m results. That sure is a lot of proof about cannibalism!


People were probably trying to spell Cannabis Smiley: bah in the title of their video, but were too high to get it right/use spell checker.

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Perhaps it just means that there is more cannibalism than we suspected?

I already knew blah+blah +blah was rampant on the interwebz thanks. Whats your point?

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You give me too much credit. Smiley: blush

Wow, 65.7 million hits for 'food'

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This is clearly all Obama's fault. Oh... wait!
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If you type Police +brutality+US into YouTube then it returns almost 700,000 results.
If you type blah + blah + blah into youtube you get 1.6 million hits.

Smiley: cool

Oddly enough, Blahbalicious doesn't seem to be one of them.
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It's all the media's fault for sensationalizing it and encouraging the copycats. If they'd just stop reporting gun crimes no one would feel the need to shoot anyone ever again.

To be fair, making the perps incredibly famous almost certainly has a negative impact. You could easily do this reporting without the "human interest" ******** "inside the mind of a killer" avalanche that's almost certainly coming. There are pathologies where mentally ill people crave recognition at all costs. The simplest path couldn't be any clearer.
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Smiley: glare


Well...at least he wasn't' black and Muslim. Or from Syria....or Iran.

S'funny how all that money spent on security cameras, surveillance, personnel is less than useless at stopping this sort of event, but the fact that this shooting did happen will be used as a reason to extend security spending even further and people will feel that even more intrusive surveillance of their lives will be justified to 'make them safer'. Smiley: oyvey

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Perhaps it just means that there is more cannibalism than we suspected?
Or. Or using youtube to try to prove your point is moronic.
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Smiley: glare

He wasn't a she. Smiley: smile (but he never is).
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So this won't count as a mass shooting where the "good guy with a gun" didn't stop the shooter, I'm sure. Not sure why yet, but I know it can't because that's impossible.
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It's a case of the gun laws being so stringent that even the military and police can't carry.
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Smiley: glare

He wasn't a she. Smiley: smile (but he never is).


Except when he changes his name to Chelsea and uses it as an excuse for breaking the law.
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So this won't count as a mass shooting where the "good guy with a gun" didn't stop the shooter, I'm sure. Not sure why yet, but I know it can't because that's impossible.
Something about how lax hiring practices and security loopholes allowed a mentally unstable guy to too much bad stuff too fast for the hero guys to help. Obviously if those other people were doing their jobs better then there'd be no reason for everyone to carry a gun.

But since they aren't... Smiley: wink
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So this won't count as a mass shooting where the "good guy with a gun" didn't stop the shooter, I'm sure. Not sure why yet, but I know it can't because that's impossible.

Although regular office folk didn't carry guns, it's my understanding that they had armed security personnel on site. I'm guessing the shooter assumed all the armed guys would be off guarding schools because no one would ever attempt a mass shooting in a location where you know there's armed security.
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Besides the cop, Washington Navy Yard is a military installation, so that whole "if only guns were more easily accessible' argument is going to be ridiculous no matter which way you swing at it. It is a pretty monumental failure of security procedures to be certain, but it wasn't because blind people don't have guns.
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I know it seems counterintuitive but, most military bases are gun free zones. Most especially in the US. Soldiers don't usually walk around with sidearms.
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They don't walk around, but I've never been to an installation anywhere that they weren't easily accessible. Which doesn't mean much when the gate guards are basically $8 an hour mall security.
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Not difficult to get but except for people in training (at ranges), MPs, civilian contract security, and the other various security details out there (armory guards and stuff) it's not normal to be walking around armed. And even if you go check out your rifle from the armory to clean it, it isn't like you have a bunch of ammo.. Besides the armorers know when a range is scheduled. They aren't likely to let one person check out a rifle and walk off with it, out of the armory area. When I was in and paintball became a popular thing, they'd make you check in paintball guns at the armory and you'd have to check it out again to go use it.
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Although regular office folk didn't carry guns, it's my understanding that they had armed security personnel on site. I'm guessing the shooter assumed all the armed guys would be off guarding schools because no one would ever attempt a mass shooting in a location where you know there's armed security.


Of course. That makes sense then, as we know there's NEVER been a "mass shooting" when there was an armed responder nearby. I assume "mass shooting" will now mean 20+ killed. The next NRA mailer will probably have a chart:

No of Dead Type of Event

1-5 Neighborhood Watch
6-10 Whoopsie Do
10-15 Unavoidable mistake that would have led to 75 dead if knives were used.
15-19 Source Awards
20+ Mass shooting.
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Not difficult to get but except for people in training (at ranges), MPs, civilian contract security, and the other various security details out there (armory guards and stuff) it's not normal to be walking around armed.

No kidding. They take gun safety seriously in the military. They're not teachers, pilots, or someone shopping at the mall who needs to be armed at all times.
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Now, I'm not sure if I've been misinformed, but this guy started with an easily obtainable, totally legal weapon (a shotgun). He then used the shotgun to upgrade to a police handgun by blowing away a cop and stealing his sidearm. He then proceeded to use that to kill a security guard armed with an AR-15, which he used for the rest of the assault. So, not only did this guy use a common hunting weapon initially, he was able to take down at least two armed and (presumably) trained people who's job it was to protect the facility. I guess the only question I have is how someone with a history of violent mental illness was able to buy a gun legally. (Thank you NRA)

Tell me again how more guns would have prevented this?
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cite? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the AR-15 a civilian version of a military assault rifle? Why would a security guard at a military facility be carrying a civilian firearm?

I would expect either typical police fare (standard issue handgun of some sort) or military grade equipment.
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cite? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the AR-15 a civilian version of a military assault rifle? Why would a security guard at a military facility be carrying a civilian firearm?

I would expect either typical police fare (standard issue handgun of some sort) or military grade equipment.


You answered your own question. Just because he's on a military site does not mean the civilian gets access to the military's gear. Most likely it was issued by the company the guard works for since they were able to get approval to arm their employees with such weapons by the facility Commander.
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Just to note, there were three weapons found and none were an AR15. A shotgun and two handguns. My guess is that someone saw the barrel of the shotgun from a distance after the first shot or two and just jumped to that conclusion since that's the go-to weapon to panic about.
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