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#102 Sep 04 2013 at 3:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh. And also makes Obama (and the US) look like a bad-***.

I'm sure you would have totally been saying what a bad-*** Obama was Smiley: laughSmiley: laughSmiley: laugh
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#103 Sep 04 2013 at 4:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah I don't see how skipping congress earns any less criticism. Unilaterally doing something unpopular is usually unpopular.
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#104 Sep 04 2013 at 4:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Rep. Joe Wilson (the "you lie!" guy) is suggesting that Obama is only talking about attacking Syria to distract from the Benghazi and IRS "scandals". Because, you know, a week ago the news was all Benghazi all the time so obviously suggesting an unpopular military action was the best possible way to get back into the nation's good graces.

Had Obama just bombed the crap out of Syria, no doubt Wilson would be talking about how bad-*** Obama was Smiley: grin
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#105 Sep 04 2013 at 4:49 PM Rating: Good
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So more or less exactly as planned. You do understand that the entire reason to spend so much time publicly debating and thinking and planning about what to do with Syria is to generate the maximum amount of angst and public reaction possible, right?

What Obama Should Have Done: ...


Gee gbaji, its a wonder you're not the President, or at least something close to it. Where might we be today if only 'Bama would do you what you think he should have done?
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#106 Sep 04 2013 at 4:54 PM Rating: Good
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There is no "fruit" Both Congress and the Executive know this. Any strike is about posturing to other minor players, theoretically to be an object lesson to prevent Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi from getting ideas or the like. Enjoy your googling, ignorant savages.


Don't be an ignorant cunt, dude. An attack on Syria is necessary to secure their vital hamster producing regions for the good of the west. I can't believe you bought into that ridiculous story. It's all about the rodents.

Maybe one day your feeble mind will be able to grasp realpolitik.
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Oh. And also makes Obama (and the US) look like a bad-***.

I'm sure you would have totally been saying what a bad-*** Obama was Smiley: laughSmiley: laughSmiley: laugh


I would have agreed with his decision precisely because it sends the direct message "don't use chemical weapons". Given that this was the exact thing that Obama previously defined as a "red line", it would also be important for him to follow up on, if for no other reason than it strengthens his use of such language with regard to other nations (like, say Iran). I don't oppose the presidents actions because he's a member of the other party Joph. I tend to oppose so many of his actions because he so often takes actions that I think are wrong.

This is one of those cases. If his sole objective was to discourage/punish the use of chemical weapons, he should have simply ordered an air strike to send that message. The only normal reason to ask for congressional approval is if you intend to engage in a longer term action. Which is precisely what he says he doesn't want to do. It makes no sense on its face for him to do this. Unless the intent is to create the conversation and not really about any action which may result.
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#108 Sep 04 2013 at 5:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
I would have agreed with his decision...

Haha... no.
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I don't oppose the presidents actions because he's a member of the other party Joph.

The important thing is that you believe it.
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I tend to oppose so many of his actions because he so often takes actions that I think are wrong.

100% of the time, apparently. That's quite a run.
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#109 Sep 04 2013 at 6:03 PM Rating: Default
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I would have agreed with his decision...

Haha... no.


Haha... yes.
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gbaji wrote:
I don't oppose the presidents actions because he's a member of the other party Joph.
I believe you.

Like much of the GOP you oppose him because he's a black man.
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#112 Sep 05 2013 at 12:54 AM Rating: Good
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At least this useless cUnt is taking his life and death (for brown people in the ME) decision making seriously.

I'm assuming the 'fake' money he lost was actual US$.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iTRbgLNsxqQ#t=38


Edited, Sep 5th 2013 6:55am by paulsol
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#113 Sep 05 2013 at 6:05 AM Rating: Decent
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So...

Who else loled hard when McCain was trying to convince guys on Fox that guys shooting smth down and then saying God bless you because the other one sneezed?

I could not make it up if I tried

Come on. Lets go to war. After all, it is guaranteed. You don't like spreading freedom anymore? How about puppies? You like puppies? Assad eats them raw you know. These guys we wanna help don't eats dogs. Chicagoans might eat hot dogs ( with negligible actual dog content, but it is not in any way relevant to the point I am trying to make ).

Ekhm, god is great and death to Syria ( whichever side we pick ).
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#114 Sep 05 2013 at 6:10 AM Rating: Good
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At least this useless cUnt is taking his life and death (for brown people in the ME) decision making seriously.

I'm assuming the 'fake' money he lost was actual US$.
This is a BFD. Smiley: rolleyes


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#115 Sep 05 2013 at 6:12 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
I don't oppose the presidents actions because he's a member of the other party Joph.
I believe you.
I don't.

I've seen 180's from gbaji simply because of 'da man'.
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#116 Sep 05 2013 at 7:12 AM Rating: Good
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Whatever you say, Sunshine. We believe you.
I've got to wonder, mostly during bowel movements, if he seriously believes there is even one person around here that has absolutely no grasp of pattern recognition, or if this is all just him trying to really, really, really convince himself.
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Whatever you say, Sunshine. We believe you.
I've got to wonder, mostly during bowel movements, if he seriously believes there is even one person around here that has absolutely no grasp of pattern recognition, or if this is all just him trying to really, really, really convince himself.

You should think about happy things when you ****.
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#118 Sep 05 2013 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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Some stuff from my local newspaper this morning....

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“If I decide to vote in a way that’s inconsistent with those who contacted my office, I owe them an explanation,” said Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, who estimated that about 90 percent of the more than 1,000 calls and emails his office has received opposed military action.

“In all my years of public service, this is just about the most difficult decision I’ve ever had to deal with,” King told reporters Wednesday evening in Maine after returning from two days of briefings and hearings in Washington.

The office of U.S. Rep. Mike Michaud, D-2nd District, offered a ballpark estimate of 800 contacts on the Syria issue, with most opposed to military action.

Figures for the office of U.S. Rep. Chellie Pingree, D-1st District, were so lopsided they were almost one-sided: 1,134 calls, emails and faxes opposed to the use of military force in Syria, compared to just 21 in favor of U.S. intervention, as of Wednesday afternoon.

“Every one of the people I have talked to said in the plainest words, ‘Please don’t get involved,’” said Pingree spokesman Willy Ritch, who has helped answer calls in the Maine offices.

Representatives for Republican Sen. Susan Collins did not provide numbers on Wednesday but said most of those who have contacted her offices were opposed to military action.

Delegation staffers said most of those contacting their offices appear to be acting independently.

However, there are also clear signs — such as identically worded messages — that groups on either side of the issue are helping organize some of the feedback, even if those groups do not always identify themselves.

Not that Mainers are representative of the population in general, in this instance however it seems that across the map the public is overwhelmingly against any military action in . I can understand law-makers and more particularly military leaders assuming they know better than the average joe about what's best for the security of our country and out globe, but I wonder if they give any thought to the consequences that could be created here at home by simply ignoring the will of the people?
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#119 Sep 05 2013 at 8:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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I wonder if they give any thought to the consequences that could be created here at home by simply ignoring the will of the people?

The people will think you're bad ***. A take charge kind of guy. A real decider.

My anecdotal experience is that many/most people know very little about this and just assume that talk of military action means "invade Syria" Iraq-style. Would they feel the same about limited cruise missile strikes launched from warships in the region? I dunno... maybe they would. Folks are getting tired of military adventures in the Middle East.
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#120 Sep 05 2013 at 8:50 AM Rating: Good
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The people will think you're bad ***.
The people are idiots.
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#121 Sep 05 2013 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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Folks are getting tired of military adventures in the Middle East.

Yeah, they are. Seems that's what most of the legislators are justifying their 'yes' vote on, as war fatigue really isn't criteria for making a decision about entering any single particular conflict.

Honestly, I think if it had not been for the whole Iraq debacle followed by our continuing non-success in Afghanistan i might be more inclined to support this.

I'm coming to realize that I have to accept that Assad did indeed gas a bunch of people - civilians for the most part and has been torturing and generally being a really mean leader for some time.. I guess that does matter to me. The guy and his helper should be buried 10 feet under. I'm just so skeptical that we can make any difference, that we wont' make things worse, that we'll be stuck in a long-term democracy building struggle, that globally we're reinforcing our 'bully' image, etc etc.

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#122 Sep 05 2013 at 10:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think this is hampered as well by a lack of energy on one side.

I'm "in favor" of some sort of action against Syria but, if it doesn't happen, I won't be broken up about it. Conversely, there's a lot of people against military action who will be very upset if we go forward with it.

Edited, Sep 5th 2013 11:22am by Jophiel
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#123 Sep 05 2013 at 10:25 AM Rating: Good
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No ones cares about the hippies though. hot box a room and they'll forget about it anyway.
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No ones cares about the hippies though. hot box a room and they'll forget about it anyway.

But the hipsters have smart phones and they're not afraid to use them.
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#125 Sep 05 2013 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
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"Instagram for Syria" movement probably won't accomplish much.
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#126 Sep 05 2013 at 11:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe they'll make one of those games where you shoot down missiles with lasers or something.
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