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#77 Aug 21 2013 at 6:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Cause I just can't pass this one up:

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Are blacks not allowed to bus on into town and work at the whitey factory?



Interesting that in one thread, the need to maybe have to travel 3 miles once in your lifetime to get an ID is an insurmountable obstacle to voting, but in this thread the need to travel possibly quite a bit farther every day to go to work isn't a problem at all. Hmmmm...

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Sounds like Gbaji is calling for the black/brown people to all move to the suburbs. Good idea!
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Gbaji wrote:
Interesting that in one thread, the need to maybe have to travel 3 miles once in your lifetime to get an ID is an insurmountable obstacle to voting, but in this thread the need to travel possibly quite a bit farther every day to go to work isn't a problem at all. Hmmmm...


Your concept of contradiction is one way.

The fact that one would have to take a bus to another city to work contributes to unemployment.
#81 Aug 21 2013 at 8:46 PM Rating: Default
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Gbaji is on the right track.

Welfare systems have concentrated blacks into specific communities within urban areas thanks wholly to section 8 housing. This program has created whole ghettos where the population of said neighborhood is almost if not completely Black. Combine this with rampant drug smuggling (also caused by government), crime, the lack of jobs in the area, and you've got what we see today: generational poverty.

That and I think there's something going on in the Black community and it is caused by a mostly outside force. Some postulate that force is society at large and others propose that government is the problem (I'm in that camp). Almost every single statistic is absolutely dismal compared to any other racial group: single parents, divorce rates, unemployment rates, incarceration rates, crime rates, etc.

I'll cede that there is no easy solution and any solution would likely take generations to effectively measure. Unfortunately for the Black Community government has a 4 - 8 year attention span; not nearly long enough to study generational effects of a given action.

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I disagree that those are the only two possibilities. I think that some have tried really really hard to frame the problem in this way so as to avoid examining the negative effects of their own pet social projects, but at what point do we stop casting about for some mysterious "institutionalized racism" and start looking at what's right in front of us.

What's "right in front of us" is that CONTROLLED FOR SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS black unemployment is dramatically higher than white unemployment, or of any other race the government keeps statistics for. Many many sigmas outside of statistical variance. So, it's not the welfare system that's the problem in this case. Let me repeat that, it is not the welfare system that is the problem. This one subgroup has a harder time finding work than any other. So, what could be the cause of that? It could be a cultural issue, but "black" isn't a culturally heterogeneous group any more than "white" is. Neither is "black on welfare". Nothing else correlates as strongly as race for employment prospects in the US. Nothing. If you know nothing about the research, I'm sure it feels better to assume "sure, but blacks also have a lower median income so that's the problem" or "blacks have a lower highest education point so that's the problem" or "black role models infer status from criminal activity instead of work ethic" etc etc ad infinitum. You can statistically control for these factors. There's been a mountainous amount of research done on this. I'm not making a false choice for you flippantly, those really are, overwhelmingly, the two most likely possibilities for this anomaly.

It's not impossible, or frankly, even that unlikely that there is a genetic factor involved if it's actually the case that racism isn't the driving force. Distasteful as fuck, yes, but it's idiotic to just rule out something because we don't want it to be the case. People who have Down's Syndrome probably don't make great physicists, generally. I don't think it's particularly stigmatizing to note that they also share appearance cues. Personally, I find it pretty obvious that it's racism, but if one were making the case that racism was a minor factor for black people in American life, then there's really only one alternative. When one segment of a population is as underemployed, is imprisoned dramatically more, and has such a massive wealth disparity either there's systemic bias against that segment or that segment is failing due to some inadequacy. When the segment's identifying characteristic is genetic, the cause almost certainly is as well.

If you want to say "racism isn't the problem" when blacks have 20% unemployment, then you have to some other rationale for the disparity. I'm telling you what logic dictates that most likely is. What you can't defend as an argument is "racism isn't the problem, the problem is <something unrelated to being black that we can show data for where other groups don't share the same problems>".

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 11:01pm by Smasharoo
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Unfortunately for the Black Community government has a 4 - 8 year attention span; not nearly long enough to study generational effects of a given action.

Right. There's been no work done on generational poverty. Sociology and Public Policy don't exist as academic disciplines. It's all a big mystery, but what we're absolutely certain of is that it is in no way related to how those with power view black people because of their skin color. DEFINITELY not that.
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I think thats the first time ever for Smasharoo to use a colored font.

There's a font racists joke in there somewhere, but I'm not going there.
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Right. There's been no work done on generational poverty. Sociology and Public Policy don't exist as academic disciplines. It's all a big mystery, but what we're absolutely certain of is that it is in no way related to how those with power view black people because of their skin color. DEFINITELY not that.


Cut the cake any way you want, for the better part of 50 years government programs have been implemented and in spite of the literally hundreds of leftist programs, billions dumped into it, and countless man hours spent, the poverty situation has not changed for Blacks and only a fool would believe another big government leftist program will fix the situation.

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only a fool would believe another big government leftist program will fix the situation.
Hire them to pass out Voter ID Cards.
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only a fool would believe another big government leftist program will fix the situation.
Hire them to pass out Voter ID Cards.



An equally terrible idea. The last thing we need is to give the government another list some low-level ******* can put on a geek stick and lose.

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gbaji wrote:
Being born to a wealthy family by no means guarantees success either btw.
It does pretty much guarantee being rich, though.

gbaji wrote:
Interesting that in one thread, the need to maybe have to travel 3 miles once in your lifetime to get an ID is an insurmountable obstacle to voting, but in this thread the need to travel possibly quite a bit farther every day to go to work isn't a problem at all. Hmmmm...
Please come to where I live and tell and elderly lady who can't drive she needs to walk three ******* miles out of town to get her ID so she can vote. I'll enjoy watching you trying to remove her knitting needle from your thick skull.

I'll say it again: you are a selfish ******* and a great example of why the rest of the world thinks Americans are douchebags.
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Cut the cake any way you want, for the better part of 50 years government programs have been implemented and in spite of the literally hundreds of leftist programs, billions dumped into it, and countless man hours spent, the poverty situation has not changed for Blacks and only a fool would believe another big government leftist program will fix the situation.

Wow, good argument, if only there were any data to explore how much of it is ********* Oh wait...

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/historical/hstpov2.xls

For "Black Only" as race, all numbers in thousands. Yeah cutting the rate from over 50% to 22.5% at the end of Clinton's second term was clearly a massive failure. Nothing is more amusing that you morons making an assumed argument that there's public data for.

Year          Pop          Poor         Rate 
2011......	39,609	10,929	27.6 
2010 17/..	39,283	10,746	27.4 
2009......	38,556	9,944	25.8 
2008......	37,966	9,379	24.7 
2007......	37,665	9,237	24.5 
2006......	37,306	9,048	24.3 
2005......	36,802	9,168	24.9 
2004 14/..	36,426	9,014	24.7 
2003......	35,989	8,781	24.4 
2002......	35,678	8,602	24.1 
2001......	35,871	8,136	22.7 
2000 12/..	35,425	7,982	22.5 
1999 11/..	35,756	8,441	23.6 
1998......	34,877	9,091	26.1 
1997......	34,458	9,116  	26.5 
1996......	34,110	9,694	28.4 
1995......	33,740	9,872	29.3 
1994......	33,353	10,196	30.6 
1993 10/..	32,910	10,877	33.1 
1992 9/...	32,411	10,827	33.4 
1991 8/...	31,313	10,242	32.7 
1990......	30,806	9,837	31.9 
1989......	30,332	9,302	30.7 
1988......	29,849	9,356	31.3 
1987 7/...	29,362	9,520	32.4 
1986......	28,871	8,983	31.1 
1985 .....	28,485	8,926	31.3 
1984......	28,087	9,490	33.8 
1983 6/...	27,678	9,882	35.7 
1982......	27,216	9,697	35.6 
1981 5/...	26,834	9,173	34.2 
1980......	26,408	8,579	32.5 
1979 4/...	25,944	8,050	31.0 
1978......	24,956	7,625	30.6 
1977......	24,710	7,726	31.3 
1976......	24,399	7,595	31.1 
1975......	24,089	7,545	31.3 
1974 3/...	23,699	7,182	30.3 
1973......	23,512	7,388	31.4 
1972......	23,144	7,710	33.3 
1971 2/...	22,784	7,396	32.5 
1970......	22,515	7,548	33.5 
1969......	22,011	7,095	32.2 
1968......	21,944	7,616	34.7 
1967 1/...	21,590	8,486	39.3 
1966......	21,206	8,867	41.8 
1959......	18,013	9,927	55.1 




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For "Black Only" as race, all numbers in thousands. Yeah cutting the rate from over 50% to 22.5% at the end of Clinton's second term was clearly a massive failure. Nothing is more amusing that you morons making an assumed argument that there's public data for.



So an average probably in the neighborhood of what? ~30% poverty over the last 50 years?


Boy, you sure are making a great argument for your beloved programs Ace. I'm sure the drop from 50% to 22.5% had nothing to do with a shift in society and EVERYTHING to do with your largely ineffective government programs right?

TANF created in 1997, since then poverty for blacks has increased.

WIC created in 1966 had marginal effect on poverty for blacks and in the years following poverty remained in the neighborhood of 30% for decades afterward, you can also add Affirmative Action to this list created in 1965 in the Civil Rights Act (as law rather than executive order).


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I'll say it again: you are a selfish @#%^ and a great example of why the rest of the world thinks Americans are douchebags.

Nah, every American tourist ever are why the rest of the world thinks Americans are douchebags. Gbaji would be recognized categorically as a douchebag in all cultures, no one would assume the American part had much to do with it.
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TANF created in 1997, since then poverty for blacks has increased.

TANF was designed to replace the (then) existing welfare system and make it stricter and harder to access.

So... you know... nice point.

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Boy, you sure are making a great argument for your beloved programs Ace. I'm sure the drop from 50% to 22.5% had nothing to do with a shift in society and EVERYTHING to do with your largely ineffective government programs right?

This is also a really good argument. Let me see if I understand it: "Things didn't get better after the Great Society, so clearly it was a failure. Wait? They did? Well, things got better after the Great Society, but not BECAUSE of it. Magic!"

That about sum it up, fuckstick?





TANF created in 1997, since then poverty for blacks has increased.


"Welfare Reform" for the uninitiated. Yes, TANF was a failure. Why? Because welfare works, the "reform" part doesn't.


WIC created in 1966 had marginal effect on poverty for blacks and in the years following poverty remained in the neighborhood of 30% for decades afterward

First of all, 1972, This isn't hard to establish with more than 2 seconds of research. Secondly, it's not an anti poverty program, it's a child hunger program. MOST infants in the US are served by WIC. Isn't that awesome? A family of 4 in most states can have an income greater than $40k (it's right around the Median Household rate) and still be eligible. So the fact that a food program that serves people with median income or lower hasn't had a dramatic effect on poverty is, frankly, not very interesting. Giving people food rarely makes them less poor. You know what makes them less poor? Giving them *money*. The data on measures of child hunger, you know the intent of WIC, shows it's an amazing success and one of the most efficient government programs ever. If you're going to argue WIC has been a failure at alleviating child hunger, you should just stop trying to justify anything and only post "because I want this to be true!" Possibly threaten to hold your breath.





You can also add Affirmative Action to this list created in 1965 in the Civil Rights Act.


Yeah, again, not intended to address poverty. I mean I can see your problem, all of the programs intended to address poverty fucking went and made people less poor so you have to cast a wide net to try and indict the social safety net as useless. Here's the thing, though: It isn't. It works. It works in the US, it works in Europe. It works EVERYWHERE. Giving poor people money.....drumroll.....makes them less poor. I'll see if you can riddle out what possible mechanism could make that work all on your own.


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I assure you this is not the case. I'd estimate I use one at a rate of about 1 in 854 posts. I say "estimate" because greping the markup tags would probably seem weird.
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I'll say it again: you are a selfish @#%^ and a great example of why the rest of the world thinks Americans are douchebags. Nah, every American tourist ever are why the rest of the world thinks Americans are douchebags. Gbaji would be recognized categorically as a douchebag in all cultures, no one would assume the American part had much to do with it.
Thanks, Smash. I never saw it that way before.




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I assure you this is not the case. I'd estimate I use one at a rate of about 1 in 854 posts. I say "estimate" because greping the markup tags would probably seem weird.

No weirder than using "grep" makes anything else sound...
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you can also add Affirmative Action to this list
Are you implying that giving people education and jobs create poverty?
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The food stamp program was not created as a jobs program. It was created to insure everyone, kids particularly, got properly fed.

NW, would you suggest that a wealthy nation such as the US simply ignore the most basic needs of it's citizens?

TANF was an overhaul of AFDIC. It was largely a success at meeting it's goals (providing a pathway OFF assistance). The recent economic disaster sent the welfare rolls spiraling out of control. More of us fell into poverty. I don't think you can blame the programs.

Medicaid/medicare is the one welfare program that presents a real financial burden to the country. Largely because of this countries exorbitant health care costs. I had greater hopes for Obama-care to start reeling in those expenditures but after all the political wrangling there was little left in the bill to address costs.

I don't think Smash is viewed as the archetypal american. If I didn't know better I'd beg him as a snooty Brit. American's are cowboys to the rest of the world, aren't they?
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only a fool would believe another big government leftist program will fix the situation.
Hire them to pass out Voter ID Cards.
An equally terrible idea.
But how are we going to prevent all that possible conceivable hypothetical feasible could maybe happening voter fraud that's occurring ALL THE TIME?!

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My favorite part of this voter fraud bit is just how much fraud there would need to be for it to matter, in any way, ever. Extremely few districts actually decide by a hair who their vote goes to, and they're rarely required as a tie-breaker anyway.

My county votes red, almost always. I think McCain had 54% of the vote. So my vote actually matters in that context. But my county has nearly 600,000 people in it. The sheer number of fake votes it would take to make up the difference between Obama and McCain is well over 100k.

Yeah, voter fraud is a problem.
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My favorite part of this voter fraud bit is just how much fraud there would need to be for it to matter, in any way, ever. Extremely few districts actually decide by a hair who their vote goes to, and they're rarely required as a tie-breaker anyway.

My county votes red, almost always. I think McCain had 54% of the vote. So my vote actually matters in that context. But my county has nearly 600,000 people in it. The sheer number of fake votes it would take to make up the difference between Obama and McCain is well over 100k.

Yeah, voter fraud is a problem.

But they're bring in busloads of blacks from who knows where. You know, bus loads, that's a lot. Smiley: um
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