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#102 Aug 08 2013 at 3:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Putting your **** into various women who are not your spouse is like stealing candy bars and sending girls tweets is like stealing a car.
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You know, sometimes when I read a Gbaji post I feel like the American civil war never ended, it just changed shape.
Yup, it pretty much underlies much of our politics to this day. Much to the chagrin of those of us living in parts of the country that weren't involved. Nothing like someone trying to make you choose sides in their 150 year old war. Smiley: rolleyes

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#104 Aug 08 2013 at 5:57 PM Rating: Excellent
If the GOP really was the party of purity and goodness it claims to be you'd think they'd adopt a platform such that any elected member caught in unethical or immoral acts would be required to automaticaly resign. I wonder why they don't.Smiley: rolleyes

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But don't let logic and reason get in the way of the wonderful misrepresentation you've got going on there.
As soon as you let logic and reason into your talking points other than the copy pasting of stock talking points that you haven't thought about yourself, I promise to not let them get in the way.
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Gary Johnston FTW.

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#108 Aug 13 2013 at 8:12 PM Rating: Default
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Putting your **** into various women who are not your spouse is like stealing candy bars and sending girls tweets is like stealing a car.


More like how an affair is really an issue between the two people, but tweeting a picture of your privates to an entire list of followers is a much more public thing. Divorcing your wife and marrying the woman you had an affair with is an adequate resolution of the former issue. Continuing to send sexually explicit tweets to people, with the same potential for accidentally doing exactly what you did last time is *not*. The issue with Weiner is that he is continuing to engage in the same behavior. It's not specifically about the seriousness of what he did.

With Filner, it's more a matter that what he's been doing goes far far beyond simply having an affair or accidentally sending a tweet to the wrong list of people. Hence why I spoke of degrees. Painting all indiscretions with the same brush is somewhat absurd, yet it appears as though some of you want to excuse bad behavior on one side by pointing at bad behavior on the other. Look. If what's his name is caught hiring hookers again, then I'd be making the exact same argument regarding a failure to mend his ways that I've made about Weiner. And if the other what's his name manages to find yet another woman to have an affair with, I'd make a similar argument about him.

But they haven't done those things, have they? That's the difference. You can't compare them, because the issue is one of repeated behavior after being caught the first time. If you clean up your act, and convince people you've cleaned it up, you might be able to rebuild your political career and move forward. But if you are then caught doing the same thing again, you lose all credibility. Which is what's happening with Weiner.


Again. Filner is a different case. His is more or less criminal sexual assault. Which is way beyond anything any of the other guys we've talked about have done. So comparing his to theirs is even more absurd. There's simply no excuse for what he did, and no comparison.
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More like how an affair is really an issue between the two people,
It being an affair already implies there's at least a third party involved.
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More like how an affair is really an issue between the two people, but tweeting a picture of your privates to an entire list of followers is a much more public thing.

So what? The former hurts someone deeply. The latter makes people chuckle and... umm... well, no that's about it.

Your mental gymnastics to wave away a Republican's sins while saying what a really big deal some Democrat's comparatively minor transgressions are as convoluted and silly as usual.

I didn't compare anyone to Filner. I laughed at you for insisting that Republicans don't get away with adultery and then watched you try to explain away why THOSE Republicans don't count when saying they don't get away with adultery.
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Speaking of repeat offenders being chased out and never being re-accepted to the fold, think Newt'll run again in '16?
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Too early to speculate about that if you ask me. Let's see in a year or so.
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If Newt magically won the nomination, Gbaji would defend Newt's infidelity to the end, just as he defended McCain's. Come to think of it, I can't think of a single time Gbaji did say some Republican was unfit to serve office due to his sexual behavior. How shocking.
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Because just being a republican makes you fit to become president. Even if you're Sarah Palin.
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More like how an affair is really an issue between the two people, but tweeting a picture of your privates to an entire list of followers is a much more public thing.

So what? The former hurts someone deeply. The latter makes people chuckle and... umm... well, no that's about it.


And if Weiner had just said "Oops. I was sending a funny tweet to a friend as a joke, but sent it to the wrong list. Sorry. Boy this is embarrassing!", it would have been just that. But pretending it didn't happen. Then insisting that hackers did it. And then only after multiple people came out saying that this is precisely the kind of thing he does do did he finally own up to it.

What's the saying? The cover up is worse than the scandal. That was the issue with Weiner. And it's still the issue because he once again lied that he wasn't doing this sort of thing any more, only to have yet more people come out and say "um.. he's still doing the same thing". It's more a matter of public trust in his case.

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Your mental gymnastics to wave away a Republican's sins while saying what a really big deal some Democrat's comparatively minor transgressions are as convoluted and silly as usual.


You're weighting things differently is all.

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I didn't compare anyone to Filner. I laughed at you for insisting that Republicans don't get away with adultery and then watched you try to explain away why THOSE Republicans don't count when saying they don't get away with adultery.


I suppose that depends on what "get away" means though. You seem to think that nothing short of resignation in disgrace is acceptable. But that's clearly not the case on either side. It's the particulars that matter. What I was saying is that Democrats are held to a lower standard by their supporters than Republicans are. And I think that's quite demonstrable if we look at the full set of various scandals that have occurred.
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And if Weiner had just said "Oops. I was sending a funny tweet to a friend as a joke, but sent it to the wrong list. Sorry. Boy this is embarrassing!", it would have been just that.
Bullshit.
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What's the saying? The cover up is worse than the scandal. That was the issue with Weiner.

That was the issue with Sanford. He left his office without telling anyone, phoned in a lie about being in the Appalachian Mts and his family was left with the humiliation of saying "We have no idea where he is" while the government and media hunted for him on Father's Day because he was off fucking some broad in South America.

But, yeah, **** tweets.

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You're weighting things differently is all.

That's putting it mildly.

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I suppose that depends on what "get away" means though.
You previously set the bar when you wrote:
Meanwhile, Democrats can [...] cheat on their wives [...] which would get any Republican thrown out

No, it doesn't get any Republican thrown out. In fact, I'm having trouble thinking of any (heterosexual) Republican in recent memory who was thrown out over cheating on their spouse, either through direct impeachment, resignation or at the ballot box.

For the record, I don't agree with legislative action against someone for infidelity -- merely doinking someone shouldn't be cause in of itself -- but I'm not the one making hilariously wrong claims about how Republicans wouldn't stand for those shenanigans.

Edited, Aug 15th 2013 3:21pm by Jophiel
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#119gbaji, Posted: Aug 15 2013 at 2:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If you're going to quote me, quote the whole **** sentence Joph. The parts you left out completely change the meaning of the sentence.
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Sound advice.
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But I learned my lesson, that one relies on them doing the opposite.

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Is this your final form or something?

EDIT: Oh. I think the official victim count for Filner is now up to 15. Still hasn't resigned though.

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**** that, there's always room for another 15 minute transformation sequence.
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And it's not a good transformation if it doesn't have nudity.
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If you're going to quote me, quote the whole **** sentence Joph.

Before the next time you post, learn how English works.

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Meanwhile, Democrats can cheat on their taxes, cheat on their wives, get caught on camera smoking crack, get caught red-handed with bribery money in their freezers, make openly racist comments, or any of a number of things which would get any Republican thrown out, and rarely do they suffer much if any negative effects.
"or any of a number of things which would get any Republican thrown out" is one item in a list.

Yes. A list of things that you claim would get any Republican thrown out. A list that includes:
-- Cheating on taxes (HA! The irony here slays me)
-- Cheating on wives
-- Caught on camera smoking crack
-- Caught with bribe money in freezer
-- Making openly racist comments

See that bolded item? It shouldn't be there. Republicans who cheat on their wives do not get throw out of office. At all. Certainly not in recent history.

Look, you were wrong. There's no amount of false outrage you're going to muster that will make you look less wrong. Just admit that Republicans are fine with their political members fucking other women besides their wives and move on from it. Or, shit, don't admit to it because God forbid you take your sacred cow down off its pedestal for five seconds and just drop the topic instead of embarrassing yourself trying to explain how this or that infidelity doesn't really count.

Edited, Aug 15th 2013 4:58pm by Jophiel
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#131gbaji, Posted: Aug 16 2013 at 4:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Incorrect. You are the one who is wrong here Joph. I mean, this one isn't even questionable. The phrase "rarely do they (Democrats) suffer much if any negative effects" is what the list refers to in that sentence.
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If you're going to quote me, quote the whole **** sentence Joph.

Before the next time you post, learn how English works.


Sigh... Coming from the guy who apparently can't parse a sentence, that's amusing as hell.

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Meanwhile, Democrats can cheat on their taxes, cheat on their wives, get caught on camera smoking crack, get caught red-handed with bribery money in their freezers, make openly racist comments, or any of a number of things which would get any Republican thrown out, and rarely do they suffer much if any negative effects.
"or any of a number of things which would get any Republican thrown out" is one item in a list.

Yes. A list of things that you claim would get any Republican thrown out. A list that includes:
-- Cheating on taxes (HA! The irony here slays me)
-- Cheating on wives
-- Caught on camera smoking crack
-- Caught with bribe money in freezer
-- Making openly racist comments

No. That is a list of things which "rarely do they suffer much if any negative effects" (referring to Democrats). Contained within that list is "any of a number of things which would get any Republican thrown out". Also contained within that list is "cheating on their wives".

Those are two separate elements within a list of things that Democrats rarely suffer much if any negative effects from.

If I say that cars, boats, planes, and trains are all vessels which can transport people and things from one place to another, only a complete idiot would say that I'm wrong because cars are not trains. Do you get that this is what you are doing here?

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See that bolded item? It shouldn't be there. Republicans who cheat on their wives do not get throw out of office.

Cheating on their wives is something which Democrats rarely suffer much if any negative effects from though. See how that works? It's not my fault that you don't understand English sentence structure.

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Look, you were wrong.

Incorrect. You are the one who is wrong here Joph. I mean, this one isn't even questionable. The phrase "rarely do they (Democrats) suffer much if any negative effects" is what the list refers to in that sentence.

Do you have any examples of Republicans who *were* thrown out for the things listed, or is that just conjecture on your part?
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Incorrect. You are the one who is wrong here Joph

Smiley: laugh I knew you couldn't do it.

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#135 Aug 16 2013 at 8:55 PM Rating: Excellent
Given gbaji's slide into logic oblivion (over the past two years in particular) I'm going with "Meth addiction".


No. I'm not kidding.

Edited, Aug 16th 2013 9:47pm by Bijou
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Do you have any examples of Republicans who *were* thrown out for the things listed, or is that just conjecture on your part?


I hope this was a joke?

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No. I'm not kidding.


But you have to remember that he's pretty much just a talking head for the party, and the party itself is so at odds with itself right now that it shouldn't be surprising. Who does he support? The Tea Party idiots? The Evangelists? The Reformists? The oldschool, rich white guys?

The GOP isn't a cohesive party anymore. They managed to trudge along for a while on the back of social issues, but they've invested so much there, and lost so many voters because of them, that they're lost now. They HAVE to reform if they have any chance of surviving - every Republican leader has been fairly open about this. But the GOP is pushing harder than ever on those issues, particularly in battleground states where they were most problematic. North Carolina, for instance.

My favorite part, though, has to be how active they're being in blocking student aid legislation, while openly acknowledging the fact that they'll fail if they don't serious ramp up their recruitment with young voters.

Increasing their tuition, reducing their student aid, and ramping up their interest rates sounds like the perfect way to court young voters. Yup, yup.

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Smiley: laugh I knew you couldn't do it.

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Jophiel and Debalic are both incorrect on stating that Gbaji's list of things which would get Republicans thrown out must necessarily include cheating on spouses. When gbaji says:
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No. That is a list of things which "rarely do they suffer much if any negative effects" (referring to Democrats). Contained within that list is "any of a number of things which would get any Republican thrown out". Also contained within that list is "cheating on their wives".

He is correct.

There's a problem though. While he is correct about what is included in the list and what that means, his statement has no value. It's logically meaningless. I know he's trying to imply that Democrats get away with more than Republicans, but he hasn't literally said that. You can swap "Democrats" and "Republicans" and receive a statement that is equally true and valid.

Meanwhile, Republicans can cheat on their taxes, cheat on their wives, get caught on camera smoking crack, get caught red-handed with bribery money in their freezers, make openly racist comments, or any of a number of things which would get any Democrat thrown out, and rarely do they suffer much if any negative effects.

Is equally true and also fairly meaningless.

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It was pretty obvious that Gbaji was making a list of things with dire consequences for Republicans that Democrats did not care about to project an air of moral superiority. If the consequence of that was for Gbaji to curl up and mutter "Semantics!" over and over... well, that sort of answers the question of what big differences there are.

However, Gbaji plainly said "any of a number of things which would get any Republican thrown out" so he is welcome to list some of THOSE things since the rest of the list "obviously" doesn't count. I invite him to list, oh say, maybe three things that get "any Republican thrown out" but Democrats enjoy with impunity. Naturally, for these to hold weight you would expect an example of a Democrat and Republican both engaged in the action and the Republican getting the boot.

Realistically, I don't expect Gbaji to actually do this and don't plan to pursue it. Because we all know this list doesn't exist. But when you're going to try and pretend that one side has the moral high ground, you should probably do better than "That list doesn't count!" and "There's a bunch of stuff that DOES count but I won't list any of it... but don't look at the stuff i listed since it doesn't count!"
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Jophiel and Debalic are both incorrect on stating that Gbaji's list of things which would get Republicans thrown out must necessarily include cheating on spouses. When gbaji says:
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No. That is a list of things which "rarely do they suffer much if any negative effects" (referring to Democrats). Contained within that list is "any of a number of things which would get any Republican thrown out". Also contained within that list is "cheating on their wives".

He is correct.

There's a problem though. While he is correct about what is included in the list and what that means, his statement has no value. It's logically meaningless. I know he's trying to imply that Democrats get away with more than Republicans, but he hasn't literally said that. You can swap "Democrats" and "Republicans" and receive a statement that is equally true and valid.

Meanwhile, Republicans can cheat on their taxes, cheat on their wives, get caught on camera smoking crack, get caught red-handed with bribery money in their freezers, make openly racist comments, or any of a number of things which would get any Democrat thrown out, and rarely do they suffer much if any negative effects.

Is equally true and also fairly meaningless.

I didn't necessarily include anything, I was just fishing for specific examples of anything on that list.an opportunity for gbaji to ignore me.
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It was pretty obvious that Gbaji was making a list of things with dire consequences for Republicans that Democrats did not care about to project an air of moral superiority. If the consequence of that was for Gbaji to curl up and mutter "Semantics!" over and over... well, that sort of answers the question of what big differences there are.

I'm not going to waste time arguing over what was going through his head when he made the comment, but the interpretation he is presenting is a perfectly valid one as well being more literal.
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I invite him to list, oh say, maybe three things that get "any Republican thrown out" but Democrats enjoy with impunity.

Support for the Affordable Care Act, support for pro-choice legislation, support for increased firearm restrictions. That's not what you wanted, but it is a correct answer to your question.
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Support for the Affordable Care Act, support for pro-choice legislation, support for increased firearm restrictions. That's not what you wanted, but it is a correct answer to your question.

Not going to look into ACA but "Susan Collins" and "Chris Christie" are immediate counter-examples that spring to mind of the second two.


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Support for the Affordable Care Act, support for pro-choice legislation, support for increased firearm restrictions. That's not what you wanted, but it is a correct answer to your question.

Not going to look into ACA [...]


Jan Brewer.


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You're both right. I should have been more careful in my selection of criteria. I wanted to get at the idea that actions that would get any Republican thrown out of office would include not just morally reprehensible acts, but valid policy disagreements.
#147 Aug 18 2013 at 6:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Perhaps, but we both knew that wasn't what Gbaji meant. So besides failing to make the point, it wasn't even a point worth making.
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#148 Aug 18 2013 at 10:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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OOOOH BURN!
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#149 Aug 19 2013 at 12:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Arguing based on what you believe someone meant to say is pointless, and you were still wrong in that regard.

So I guess a failurous tit for tat all around.
#150 Aug 19 2013 at 7:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Allegory wrote:
Arguing based on what you believe someone meant to say is pointless, and you were still wrong in that regard.
The problem here is that we're forced to do so because he refuses to commit to anything he ever says. He leaves these little semantic backdoors in everything he claims so when the inevitable holes in his arguments are pointed out he can cry about how it wasn't what he actually meant and stray away from the actual point.
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#151 Aug 19 2013 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
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Allegory wrote:
Arguing based on what you believe someone meant to say is pointless, and you were still wrong in that regard.

So I guess a failurous tit for tat all around.

You're gonna bring tits into a groping discussion? Really?
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