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#52 Jul 03 2013 at 7:03 AM Rating: Good
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I'm sure there's a *** country musician around somewhere so why not both?


Edit: ***** you Shaow.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2013 3:05pm by Aethien
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#53 Jul 03 2013 at 7:22 AM Rating: Good
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Silly rabbits. Why do we need bridges when we have flying cars?? I've been told they're almost ready for production, I've been saving up.

Regardless, good luck Kao. Perhaps they'll bring you in for the flying car project!
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#54 Jul 03 2013 at 7:37 AM Rating: Good
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Why do we need bridges when we have flying cars??
Crash them into the ravine and let all the other cars drive over them.
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#55 Jul 03 2013 at 7:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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This seems like a situation for going full wombat.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2013 8:45pm by Jophiel
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#56 Jul 03 2013 at 7:45 PM Rating: Good
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How the **** did you find that?
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#57 Jul 04 2013 at 7:18 AM Rating: Good
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I'd say a newspaper, but those don't exist anymore.
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#58 Jul 05 2013 at 7:52 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
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This seems like a situation for going full wombat.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2013 8:45pm by Jophiel



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#59 Jul 05 2013 at 10:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Because I was reading it today

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So we have a narrow, extremely top heavy old frail bridge that will fall over in any large earthquake. We can't even reinforce the bridge piers because it would narrow the shipping channel and the coast guard vetoed that. The bridge has already been hit by at least 30 barges over the years. So yeah. I do not envy whoever is on that thing when the earthquake happens...


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Columbia River Crossing managers spent more than $175 million in public funds planning a bridge, highway and light-rail complex that won't be built.

That's about what it would cost for seismic upgrades to the existing Interstate 5 Bridge across the Columbia River between Portland and Vancouver.

A little too ironic?

Oh well. Smiley: banghead
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#60 Jul 05 2013 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
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There isn't much that is more satisfying than throwing away $175,000,000.
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#61 Jul 05 2013 at 12:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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eh, 2 million and change of that was me for hardware (server, network, cabling infrastructure, workstations, laptops, phones, etc). an eigth of that was buying the real estate right of way to actually build the project, which is still owned and will probably be used someday when they actually build something. The rest of it was spent on very high dollar consultants over 10 years. And no, you can't seismic retrofit the existing bridges without either demolishing and making the existing piers larger, which is technically infeasable and would narrow the shipping channel at least 4 feet to meat current seismic code, and even then the bridge itself still wouldn't meet code, or building an exterior jacket around the pilings, which makes them 4 feet wider on all sides, and narrows the existing shipping channel at least 8 feet, which the coast guard has flat out stated they won't allow. River traffic has precidence over bridge traffic, so in a dispute, the coast guard wins.
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#62 Jul 05 2013 at 12:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
eh, 2 million and change of that was me for hardware (server, network, cabling infrastructure, workstations, laptops, phones, etc). an eigth of that was buying the real estate right of way to actually build the project, which is still owned and will probably be used someday when they actually build something.
That seems to be the interesting question on everyone's mind. How much of this is salvageable and it what way? I only hear vague descriptions like "some of the costs can be recovered if the next replacement project is similar enough to this one." I think the article (well one of them) was pointing to things like geological surveys and what not still being useful several years out, assuming the replacement bridge is eventually built near the same location. I imagine that goes for real estate as well.


Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
And no, you can't seismic retrofit the existing bridges without either demolishing and making the existing piers larger, which is technically infeasable and would narrow the shipping channel at least 4 feet to meat current seismic code, and even then the bridge itself still wouldn't meet code, or building an exterior jacket around the pilings, which makes them 4 feet wider on all sides, and narrows the existing shipping channel at least 8 feet, which the coast guard has flat out stated they won't allow. River traffic has precidence over bridge traffic, so in a dispute, the coast guard wins.
You know it isn't nice to disrupt a perfectly good editorial with facts. Smiley: wink
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#63 Jul 05 2013 at 3:17 PM Rating: Good
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tl;dr: Most of the money would have been just as well spent buying random people beer.
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#64 Jul 05 2013 at 3:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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More like buying lots of beer, and maybe a couple of hookers, for one particular Republican state congressman. Waiting until he did something stupid, and then posting the results on twitter.
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#65 Jul 05 2013 at 3:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I remember the days when you could build a bridge for less than the costs of planning to build a bridge nowadays. No, seriously, the Golden Gate Bridge, which was a much larger project than this one, cost 76 million. Granted, that's 1.2 billion in today's dollars, but why nitpick?

Fun fact, over 1,200 people have committed suicide by jumping off of the Golden Gate Bridge.

Edited, Jul 5th 2013 6:27pm by Turin
#66 Jul 05 2013 at 4:10 PM Rating: Good
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Its an easy and obvious place to kill yourself I guess. High and easily accessible.
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#67 Jul 05 2013 at 4:11 PM Rating: Excellent
That's only $6300 per person!
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#68 Jul 05 2013 at 4:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Fun fact, over 1200 people have committed suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge.

All at once?
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#69 Jul 05 2013 at 4:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Fun fact, over 1200 people have committed suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge.

All at once?


They were going for a world record, unfortunately Guinness had to cancel their attendance at the last moment.
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#70 Jul 05 2013 at 5:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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someproteinguy wrote:
That seems to be the interesting question on everyone's mind. How much of this is salvageable and it what way? I only hear vague descriptions like "some of the costs can be recovered if the next replacement project is similar enough to this one." I think the article (well one of them) was pointing to things like geological surveys and what not still being useful several years out, assuming the replacement bridge is eventually built near the same location. I imagine that goes for real estate as well.


The data collection stuff, (archeological surveys, soil test boreholes and core samples, design feasability and alternatives, models, etc.) will be very relavant to the next bridge planning thingy, if there ever is one. This is actually the second major effort to replace that bridge that failed. See "I-5 Partnership program" for further hilarity. Whoever does the follow on will almost have to redo the very expensive traffic modeling studies. The tolling crap studies and whatnot will probably still be relavant by then, and if nothing else getting the laws changed on both sides of the river to allow it to be tolled means it has a better chance of being built someday than not. The facility is paid through 2014 already, and part that kills me is that I "Just" got done pulling 2 months of weekend and all nighters to get all the new server and network hardware in play, recabled and ready to go. And now we have to gut it. $3,000 worh of new copper and fiber network cables alone. Something on the order of 2,000 printed labels. and no one knows whats going to happen with it all. if they manage to do a phoenix on the project, someone will want the gear to bring up a turn key new project, but aside from that, 2 state governments own half of everything. It's going to be wierd. All the desks and furnature and whatnot will probably go with the building and be sublet since there is no money to even pay someone to remove them and no where to store it. The files and drives from all the workstations and the SAN will go into archive somewhere and be preserved intact. They may be able to hang on to the real estate for a while. if i were the people in charge i'd at least turn them into temporary staging depots to claim the space is being used since all that requires is some gravel and maybe a fence or two. The labor expended over 10 years is gone, and thats not coming back. Whether the deliverables were worth that cost is completely up in the air and open to debate. There are 3 completed bridge designs that exist now. including all the accompanying interchanges up and down the road, including all the cad files and digital terrain models. I suspect some of the interchanges will get completed in future years regardless of the bridge itself moving forwards, and those are all literally ready to go to construction the minute anyone has funds for them. Which won't happen at all for at least 2 years now since they declined to fund them this biennium. At least on the washington side. The oregon side may haoppen alot sooner, and the island interchanges and local traffic back cross bridge may actually buy the bridges themselves a few years since thats alot of the traffic bottleneck north and southbound on the oregon side.

Whats really going to be fun and entertaining is when all the freight shipping companies that have been threatening to move elsewhere for the past 7 years of the project if a new bridge isn't built (you know, the ones that are basically 90% of the economy of clark county, and 40% of the economy of washington state overall) decide to say ********** it" and head south so they don't have to deal with the damned bridge.
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#71 Jul 05 2013 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
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I'm scared, I think Gbaji hacked Kao's account. Smiley: frown
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Naw, too coherent.
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#73 Jul 08 2013 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
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Fun fact, over 1200 people have committed suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge.
All at once?
They were going for a world record, unfortunately Guinness had to cancel their attendance at the last moment.
Reminds me of the 9/11 record. The one that had the option to "Beat This Record."
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#74 Jul 08 2013 at 8:20 PM Rating: Good
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Sorry they had to put your dog down Kao.

The CRC has been getting kicked in the nuts for years. At least the Sellwood is getting replaced before it dropped.

If you're up for a beer with a decade-long lurker, send me a pm. No shortage of beverages in this town.


Fun fact: A number of our primary municipal water pipes, carrying that much bragged about Bull Run water into the city, are hollow logs.


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#75 Jul 09 2013 at 1:35 AM Rating: Good
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Sorry they had to put your dog down Kao.

The CRC has been getting kicked in the nuts for years. At least the Sellwood is getting replaced before it dropped.

If you're up for a beer with a decade-long lurker, send me a pm. No shortage of beverages in this town.


Fun fact: A number of our primary municipal water pipes, carrying that much bragged about Bull Run water into the city, are hollow logs.


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What the ****?
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Sorry they had to put your dog down Kao.

The CRC has been getting kicked in the nuts for years. At least the Sellwood is getting replaced before it dropped.

If you're up for a beer with a decade-long lurker, send me a pm. No shortage of beverages in this town.


Fun fact: A number of our primary municipal water pipes, carrying that much bragged about Bull Run water into the city, are hollow logs.


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What the @#%^?
ticklebeard could be one of the greatest names I've ever seen around these parts.


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