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#102 Jul 12 2013 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
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Not ideal, but what can you do eh?
Make your position relevant again...Two words...Explosive Bridge! Like in one of those tower defense games!
I suggest directional charges. That way you can launch vehicles from one side to the other and save on having to complete a whole bridge.
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I bet an Eight-legged Intruder Detection, Alarm and Auto-nuke System would be a hot-seller.

You could invent one.
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I believe Elinda's point was that PVC piping is typically rigid (particularly for large municipal use) and thus doesn't require much in the way of phthalates which are used to keep the plastic soft at normal temperatures.

PVC used as a 'fabric' and the like would be a different story. But that's not much of a water leeching concern unless you have really weird pipes.

Let me try this again.

Cigarette smoke causes lung cancer.

Asbestos causes Mesothelioma.

Vaccines don't cause Autism.

Lead exposure causes brain damage in children.

PVA causes breast and testicular cancer, infertility, and probably causes emotional imbalances via it interfering with our hormonal systems.

No matter how rigid the water pipe.

You remember how they discovered most crude oil derived synthetics were endocrine disruptors? Because they thought that all this fish and animal infertility around lakes might be caused by leftover birth-contorl chemicals in women's urine. Except when they investigated that theory, they ruled the birth control out and the PVC pipes in, along with other plastic and petrochemical pollution. What does every oestrogen have in common? A benzine ring and being fat-soluable. What do most petrochemicals, synthetic plastics and synthetic fragrances have in common? A benzine ring and being fat-soluble. This isn't something to blank out of your mind because imagining a life without plastic is too hard. There are cheap and easy alternatives right now. There are a heap of plastics and synthetics that AREN'T endocrine disrupting. And the test to find out is simple and cheap. Welcome to the next Senate hearing. "Sir, when did you first know that there was a scientific consensus showing that the product you sell causes cancer and infertility?"


Have you seen Coca-cola's new "beach-ready Coke bottle" ? The bottle itself is shipped to food stands frozen. It's made of ice. When you are done with your soda, you have a nice chunk of ice to melt into a towel or whatever. And no plastic bottle to worry about recycling (or leaching chemicals.) Yeah, it takes more energy to ship the bottles frozen than it does just "cold" but not that much more, and the reduced cost of packing probably makes up for it.
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Why would I want to get my towel all cold and wet versus just chucking the empty at a seagull?

And who wants to hold a chunk of ice while drinking their soda?
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The biggest source of exposure to BPA and other phthalates is in food packaging. Most canned goods are lined with a thin plastic membrane that contains BPA. Flexible plastic food containers most likely contain PBA. I would definitely insure baby bottles, pacifiers, teething rings, etc were BPA free. Kids toys have mostly gotten away from phthalates as the EU banned their use years ago. There are still some around though. Often times the really cheap bulk toys you buy at the dollar stores and what-not are rejects from other countries. Avoid them.

Just to make this point again in the hopes to try quell the spread of mountainous, though not necessarily accurate, tree-hugger info, PVC does not automatically come with additives and PVC it'self is not an endocrine disrupter. Sure, burning PVC releases dioxins - this is bad, but PVC water pipe is not implicated in exposure to endocrine disrupters.
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Why would I want to get my towel all cold and wet versus just chucking the empty at a seagull?

And who wants to hold a chunk of ice while drinking their soda?


Someone on the beach when it's 95F out, duh.
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Why would I want to get my towel all cold and wet versus just chucking the empty at a seagull?

And who wants to hold a chunk of ice while drinking their soda?

I'd think the melting chunk of ice would be sticky with soda residue.

Still ice created containers is an interesting idea. At the bar I worked at we'd get all sorts of special promotional stuff from the booze distributors. These were usually related to some holiday or other special even. On Valentines day Baileys Irish Cream would provide us with little chocolate cups to serve their liqueur in and little chocolate stir sticks. Very few ever made it out to the customers.
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Stabbing someone with that bottle would certainly be efficient.
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I think my problem would be that the ice would melt before I'd finished the soda. That could get messy.
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Stabbing someone with that bottle would certainly be efficient.


And no murder weapon, once the bottle melts! Brilliant!
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Well, that's part of the problem. You'd have to stab them pretty quick, before your knife turns into a club.
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Stabbing someone with that bottle would certainly be efficient.


And no murder weapon, once the bottle melts! Brilliant!

Ice bullets. Some one needs to invent them.

Or maybe they already have..Smiley: um
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There was a Mythbusters on that. Not that I remember how it turned out or anything.

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Myth statement 	Status 	Notes 
An ice bullet can kill someone without leaving a trace. 	Busted 	The ice bullet evaporated before it could leave the barrel. This myth was retested in Myths Revisited, and remained busted with slow-frozen ice. 
A meat bullet can kill someone without leaving a trace. 	Busted 	The hamburger bullet fragmented on contact with the skin, causing only superficial damage. 
A gelatin bullet can kill someone without leaving a trace. 	Busted 	The bullet did not cause fatal injury from the 6.5x52mm Mannlicher-Carcano round, but had better result from a revolver at point-blank range. Desiring a more subtle assassination tool, the pair examined the Bulgarian umbrella. 
An assassin can use a poison capsule fired from an umbrella to kill someone without leaving a trace. 	Confirmed 	It was found to have been the cause of death of a notable Bulgarian journalist in exile, Georgi Markov. The MythBusters build a pair of replicas with a gas cylinder and an air gun, and fired both to lethal effect without leaving gunpowder burns.



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Ice doesn't hold form as well when dealing with that kind of force.

Edited, Jul 12th 2013 1:57pm by lolgaxe
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Bones revisited the myth with a bullet made of frozen blood. According to TV-script-land, because blood has different freeze/evaporate temperatures to water, a blood bullet works as a bullet, and is bloody* hard to find trace evidence of.

*ha ha

PS I'm very glad you are not out of work Kaolian, although nasty paycut is bad enough, not to mention the stress on you and everyone who gets sacked and your work being trashed so illogically.


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Aripyanfar wrote:
Bones revisited the myth with a bullet made of frozen blood. According to TV-script-land, because blood has different freeze/evaporate temperatures to water, a blood bullet works as a bullet, and is bloody* hard to find trace evidence of.


Except if you miss, and then there is a convenient blood coated hole in the wall/floor/innocent bystander.
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Well, there'd probably be a convenient blood coated hole in the wall/floor/innocent bystander if you hit, too.
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Well, there'd probably be a convenient blood coated hole in the wall/floor/innocent bystander if you hit, too.


The thing about frozen liquid rounds is that they aren't supposed to leave exit wounds. They're like cheap hollow points.
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If we can pretend it would survive evaporation, we can pretend it could puncture through fleshmeats and walls. Smiley: motz
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But what if it was a warning shot? Smiley: lol
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Oh god the walls are bleeding horror moment?
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Redrum. Redrum.
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Oh god the walls are bleeding horror moment?


Screenshot


Director's "Assault Weapon" Cut
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Beautiful.







And kinda disgusting.
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We can make it worse. Like mentioning that off screen is the newest super hero, Heavy Flo.
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Kinda useless superhero if you can only use your power a few days a month.
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Kinda useless superhero if you can only use your power a few days a month.
Planning.

Oh and It's not that Super Flo gets stronger only a few days a month, it's that on those few days the rest of the world gets weaker.

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Seems the cities affected by the bridge project are looking at ways to move the plan forward.
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I know the situation sucks for Kao directly, but IMO, the ultimate problem is the introduction of a poison pill by Oregon liberals into the whole works. If the problem that needs to be addressed is a bridge for a section of the I5 freeway, then they should focus on that problem and would likely have no problem passing a funding bill for that specific need. Based on my admittedly brief examination of this issue it looks as though the pro mass transit folks decided to use the need for a new vehicle bridge to wedge in funding for light rail as well. The poison pill appears to be that funding is levied onto vehicle traffic though (via a pretty large gasoline tax increase).

If light rail is so great and everyone wants it, then why not fund the light rail with increases in ticket costs for those using the light rail? Let it fund itself. I suspect that Republicans in Oregon would have no problem with a gas tax to fund the I5 bridge project, as long as the light rail project was funded via light rail ticket prices. That's fair, right? But of course they're going to oppose levying a tax on the users of one form of transportation to pay for a different form. That's a completely reasonable opposition. What's unreasonable is requiring that drivers pay for both the bridge they need to use to cross the river in their cars/trucks *and* the bridge (and related infrastructure) for a light rail crossing.


So... um... politics as usual, I guess.
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Federal megaproject funding will not occur on any major project anymore unless there is a dedicated transit piece. The two options in this case were Light Rail, or Bus Rapid Transit, which would actually have been more expensve and occupied the same amount of space on the bridge. Going from the separate light rail bridge to the in structure design, which admittedly looked cool, was a stupid idea, because otherwise they could have "delayed" that part of the project forever and still got the needed funding. It wasn't that pro mass transit people snuck that piece in, its a requirement for federal funding. The gas tax was to fund about 300 projects statewide, not just the bridge. Borrowing rates on bonds being what they are right now, not building this project right this minute is criminally neglegant. Light rail, and transit theory itself is one of those things that you can literally debate either way for days and still manage to come to 4 different conclusions each time you try. I've heared all the arguments over the years of this project (interesting fact, if you look for any of the televised meetings, you can probably find me in the background somewhere running the audio components. 30+ simultaneous live microphones in the same room with broadcast audio less than 4 feet away and minimal feedback, and they said it couldn't be done! or wait, that was "shouldn't"...), but you're right. light rail fare, as a standalone entity will never pay for itself. the argument beyond the requirement for federal funding for the project, mainly boils down to every single person who rides light rail is one less car passing over the bridge structure, which can only support so many simultaneous cars for demand, but also only so many cars over the structure before it requires repaving. Bridge paving is typically quite expensive, so if you can reduce that significantly you do see a substantial savings on maintenance. The counterargument being that those people were going to ride anyways, so there is no real savings. The other argument is that a major transportation project, acccording to "Environmental Justice" rulings at the federal level, "Always unfairly impact low income individuals and must be mitigated." Offering a mass transit piece counts as part of that mitigation effort, etc. So you're really damned any way you look at it. Don't put one in and you can't build it because half your federal funding is gone and you get sued by suprisingly lawyer equipped poor people. Do put it in, and you get people who correctly notice that the cost of a light rail ticket would need to be about $1,541 per ticket to actually pay for itself. Putting the light rail structure inside the box girder of the main bridge itself actually dramatically reduced the overall cost, because you have to pay for that structure anyways to support the car bridge, so really you were just paying for track, electricity and rail cars, and maybe a 1-2% structural increase cost, which would have been negligable.

The other thing that everyone siezes on is the bridge height issue. Everyone is all "those idiots didn't even talk to the coast guard LOL1111!!" the problem that everyone semes to forget is that there was a new cost guard comandant that came in with the Obama adminsitration. The bridge height and permit issues were already "settled" with the previous commandant, and letters of understanding were sent, etc. pending the final permit which couldn't happen until after the final environmental impact statement was filed, etc. That all went out the window with the new guy who immidiatly said he wanted the bridge raised. The FAA basically came back and said "go **** yourselves Coasties, we got 2 airports that say no to raising it any higher" and so the project looks like idiots through in that particular case no fault of their own.

That city plan article is interesting. There is no way that either vancouver or portland could fund that on their own, even with federal grants. They just couldn't come up with enough matching funds, and portland has others they might consider first, but I could see them coming up with enough funds to keep a project office open for a while. That being said, I do know somwhat more at this point regarding the fate of the current project and what might come out of it, but I'm not at liberty to really mention any of that for now. all is still interesting times for sure...
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So...you didn't bother to educate yourself on the issue and just spewed out "liberals, whaaaah" bullshit like usual.
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I know the situation sucks for Kao directly, but IMO, the ultimate problem is the introduction of a poison pill ...

Seriously, a poison pill? Let's go with this stupid metaphor....

The poison pill was just a placebo.
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Ha, Coast Guard. The Special Olympics Runner-Ups of the armed forces.
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the ultimate problem

Is that you completely lack self awareness of your own ignorance. Any reasonably intelligent person would qualify your entire post with "I don't know enough about local politics to really judge, but..." Without that caveat it becomes apparent that you skimmed an article about this with a pre-preinted John Birch Society checklist of "causes" until you found something you thought you could shoehorn in. It's a massive political failure, I don't know enough about local politics to assign blame, but somebody fucked up BADLY. Generally, massive structural failures of this magnitude can be traced to the majority party leadership. That may or may not be the case here.
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So...you didn't bother to educate yourself on the issue and just spewed out "liberals, whaaaah" bullshit like usual.


Blaming things on Liberals is usually a good bet. Smiley: lol
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Blaming things on Liberals is usually a good bet. Smiley: lol

Who needs to get their news from anywhere when you can have knee-jerk reactionism?
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Blaming things on Liberals is usually a good bet. Smiley: lol
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#142 Jul 28 2013 at 12:06 PM Rating: Decent
Sounds like your standard operating procedure for major public works projects. Here in Ottawa we have had our fill of them. The worst has been a light rail project that was the pet project of a mayor who now moved on into regional government. It was his legacy project really, and is ridiculously expensive. Basically they want to jam a rather large, rather slow moving train directly into where the current bus lane goes on an east-west route directly through the downtown core. It will resolve nothing for traffic, actually create even more issues, and is just a terrible idea. They then wanted to put it underground but the city is a rat's nest of developments, so no idea how that will go...

It too was already cancelled once, and the city was sued by the train manufacturer for contract breech. It's now back on again, and just keeps spiraling further out of control, bloating more in cost with every revision.

I know none of that matters to you Kao... But really I have precious little advise to give you. I know how it feels having the rug torn from under you. It has happened to me twice, though one we saw coming. Well Dell Ottawa shut down, we at least had warning. There had been rumblings for months as the economic shift began making operating north of the border increasingly expensive, and because we tended to actually fix systems rather than trying to find creative work arounds that conned the customer into thinking their issue was resolved, we did cost more there as well. But when JDS went under, I was literally moments from heading out the door when I was called and told not to report to work. Sadly was 2 and a half months in, so I was not one of those who qualified for compensation for termination with no notice (anyone there 3 months or more got a pay out covering the time between their termination and decision from Labour Board of Ontario), and I scrambled to get a job.

I know this is not the best economy, and you will have to either accept the **** pay or dive into the waters and fight for another job, but I get this feeling you're going to be fine.
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Sounds like your standard operating procedure for major public works projects. Here in Ottawa we have had our fill of them. The worst has been a light rail project that was the pet project of a mayor who now moved on into regional government. It was his legacy project really, and is ridiculously expensive. Basically they want to jam a rather large, rather slow moving train directly into where the current bus lane goes on an east-west route directly through the downtown core. It will resolve nothing for traffic, actually create even more issues, and is just a terrible idea.

So, as Canadian big city mayors go, A+! Not smoking crack or actively peddling influence? Not arrested this week? You should have named him Mayor for Life!
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Somewhat of an update, and yes much of this will be deliberatly vague at this point, but it looks like at least one replacement position for the two that went away is in place, and there are indications another spot will open up through normal attrition processes. I also recieved an interesting call unsolicited from an agency involved with certain continuation efforts regarding the project which interesting possibilities. Said possibilities would be significantly more lucrative, but for a 24 month duration with similar benifits, etc. But it would mean a major shift, and less certanty than there would otherwise be assuming my current employer finds a way to keep me funded. So, yeah. I dunno what to think on that one yet, but I do have some time on that one as they need to get ducks in a row before they need an answer anyways.
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So, as Canadian big city mayors go, A+! Not smoking crack or actively peddling influence? Not arrested this week? You should have named him Mayor for Life!
Oh I never said Chiarelli was controversy free, he's just an old school politician and better at defusing them (excuse the poor link, he is a whistle blower in the latest political scandal, so trying to find some of his gems as mayor are fairly well buried). There were others in his time, including a proposal to spend a rather large amount on a trophy... for the ball hockey players internally at city hall. He did typical lie to get into office stuff, but that's not special. Sure, no hookers and blow, but who is to say he didn't and is just more used to covering that **** up. He always was rather sleazy with most of actions...

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Somewhat of an update, and yes much of this will be deliberatly vague at this point, but it looks like at least one replacement position for the two that went away is in place, and there are indications another spot will open up through normal attrition processes. I also recieved an interesting call unsolicited from an agency involved with certain continuation efforts regarding the project which interesting possibilities. Said possibilities would be significantly more lucrative, but for a 24 month duration with similar benifits, etc. But it would mean a major shift, and less certanty than there would otherwise be assuming my current employer finds a way to keep me funded. So, yeah. I dunno what to think on that one yet, but I do have some time on that one as they need to get ducks in a row before they need an answer anyways.

Well, it sounds like a possible opportunity, but by the same token it might not have legs. The tricky part is that, from what you are saying, is that this is some form of plan to push forward on something killed already. It might wind up being someone's wishful thinking to back door it, but I get this feeling you need to tread lightly. If they are offering a large sum, it's likely to try and convince someone that they have a team ready to go. So it's a Catch-22, to get the project jumpstarted again, they need the team back together, but to get the team back together, they need the project jumpstarted from whoever they are speaking to.

Of course, likely preaching to the choir saying that.
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So, another update. I officially have a job at least until January 31st now, which if nothing else gives me more time to build up leave and funds. They also "found" another full time position to move from elsewhere, so now I at least have a bit of a cushion, which means only one other person is at major risk at the moment. That could all still get worse if another potential funding disaster happens a year out from that, but things are looking a little brighter. I ended up not taking the other job, since the duration ended up being only 17 months for that one, and there would have been additional state income taxes to deal with, which I do not currently have to pay. Ironically, now they are exploring the same sort of "lend / lease act" reallocation of services for IT staff they had previously explicitly banned, so I may end up doing that particular job anyways. Bottom line, I probably have a job in February now, though i don't necessarily know what that job will end up being.

Still interesting times.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
there would have been additional state income taxes to deal with, which I do not currently have to pay.

Saving evidence of your blatant tax evasion in case you run for president, Romney.

Good news about the job though!
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I hear rumor there some kind of "@#%^ you, we'll just build the **** thing ourselves" coming from our side of the river. No idea how much traction there is for it, but hearsay is that it's more alive than dead?

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 3:08pm by someproteinguy
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Exactly that, quite a bit, and alot. Even on this side of the linear puddle. The tricky things, again speaking in theoretical generalities (yeah yeah, I know) is that a federal project doesn't get funded without transit, and the funding for that specific transit plan is currently against the law in a certain state. A replacement bridge at a minimum would also have to involve replacing the interchange closest to said bridge, in order to make the bridge fit, in that same state where it's currently illegal to fund said project. The cost of that particular interchange wouldn't be huge, and the right of way is already owned, but it's still a potential blocker.

The plan as it currently exists would be everything that was planned origionally in the one state, all the middle over the river bits, and then just the one minimum piece initially on the northern state side, the rest of that mess to be dealt with at least 2 years or more later, but as individual projects rather than a mega chunk. There are also legal things that have to happen on your side of the river with a special legislative session to remove a specific provision that prevented funding unless both states wanted to play nice. All of that has to happen before September 30th to qualify for federal funding for this construction year. Which is also contingant on the bridge height permit being issued, which is also contingant on negotiations with the two bridge height mitigation holdouts. There is alot of momentum for this, and there is enough political will to **** this side of the river over being stupid that I'd give it 70-30 odds of happening just on spite alone at this point, but there are still several landmines that could go off.
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Jophiel wrote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
there would have been additional state income taxes to deal with, which I do not currently have to pay.

Saving evidence of your blatant tax evasion in case you run for president, Romney.

Good news about the job though!


Dictators don't have to pay taxes unless we want to!

and thanks!

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 8:51am by Kaolian
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