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#327 Jul 19 2013 at 5:01 PM Rating: Default
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#328 Jul 19 2013 at 5:29 PM Rating: Good
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#329 Jul 19 2013 at 9:38 PM Rating: Good
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#330 Jul 22 2013 at 3:57 AM Rating: Default
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I'm a little behind, but watching coverage over the demonstrations, I keep hearing that there was "no evidence of race being an issue" with the killing of Martin.

At what extent are people going with that? I don't believe (and other sane people) that Zimmerman said "looks like we gots a n****, I'ma gonna kill 'em!". However, to believe that there weren't some form of profiling involved is absurd, giving the fact that Martin wasn't doing anything illegal. That's not to say it was purely racial, but with the combination of everything that made Martin, Martin. Within that context, race is indeed a factor, but not necessarily the catalyst.

I know that I'm probably "preaching to the choir" on this topic, but I pretty much lost all of my "white friends" on Facebook to argue with. It's boring being on the forum side...
#331 Jul 22 2013 at 6:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I know that I'm probably "preaching to the choir" on this topic, but I pretty much lost all of my "white friends" on Facebook to argue with.

That happened to me when I "liked" Magic Shave. Common mistake.
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#332 Jul 22 2013 at 6:56 AM Rating: Good
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Of course race was a factor. So was ***, age and dress. If it was a black woman Zimmerman would have reacted differently. If it was a smaller black boy or an old black graying black man he would have reacted differently. If it was a white middle-aged middle-classed looking man Zimmerman probably wouldn't have reacted at all. If it was a young latino man in a hoodie, I'm guessing his actions would have been similar. If it was a young attractive whitish woman he many have acted similarly but with a very different motive (unless he's ***).

If the victim was a woman, I would bet most of my fortune, that this would have been a very very different story. It would likely be Zimmerman playing the racism card.

What about how everyone else acted. If the victim had been about the same size, the same weight, the same age, dressed the same, but white, would the police have reacted differently? I think they would have.

This is why it's not a good idea to simply let the masses run around the streets and sidewalks with loaded pistols. We're bad judges.







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#333 Jul 22 2013 at 7:05 AM Rating: Good
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If only Zimmerman was running around in a white tunic and hood with a lit torch!
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#334 Jul 22 2013 at 7:13 AM Rating: Good
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If only Zimmerman was running around in a white tunic and hood with a lit torch!
Black Hoodie v White Hoodie..

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#335 Jul 22 2013 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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The handling of this case confuses me, and I can't find any justification for the judge's decisions. Specifically, why the prosecution wasn't allowed to argue that Zimmerman was the initial aggressor, and that racial profiling played a part (they were limited to "profiling" in a broad sense).

The jury said they didn't even consider if there was a racial factor.
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#336 Jul 22 2013 at 8:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Of course race was a factor. So was ***, age and dress. If it was a black woman Zimmerman would have reacted differently.

Women shouldn't be walking alone at night, that's obviously an invitation to rape. :)

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#337 Jul 22 2013 at 8:02 AM Rating: Good
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Specifically, why the prosecution wasn't allowed to argue that Zimmerman was the initial aggressor, and that racial profiling played a part (they were limited to "profiling" in a broad sense).

No evidence at all of either of those. Possible? Sure. Possible Zimmerman is a secret ****. Possible he knew Martin before the crime and shot at paper targets of his head every day in his back yard muttering "I'm going to get that nigger". You can probably see why those wouldn't be allowed, right? The media guessing game repeating a theory doesn't actually make it more likely.
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#338 Jul 22 2013 at 8:12 AM Rating: Default
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You are forgetting the most important thing....

Who honestly gives a sh*t.

If this didn't become a media circus, would anyone really give two sh*ts about this case? Or would it have gone on and gotten over with the same as hundreds of cases across the US do each year?

Honestly so much to do about nothing.

Edited, Jul 22nd 2013 10:12am by rdmcandie
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#339 Jul 22 2013 at 8:42 AM Rating: Good
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If this didn't become a media circus, would anyone really give two sh*ts about this case?


No, because the dead person was a black male, not a pretty white girl.
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#340 Jul 22 2013 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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White girl goes missing while on vacation, it's all anyone hears about for months.

8 children/teens die a day in the US from gun violence. Black males are 8x as likely to be the victim than white males, and 2.5x as likely as latino males. I can't remember the last time, before Martin, one of them made national news.
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#341 Jul 22 2013 at 9:10 AM Rating: Good
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You are forgetting the most important thing....

Who honestly gives a sh*t.


Apparently a whole lot of people give a sh*t.

Does it make you uncomfortable to know that our society finds it acceptable for an unarmed innocent black child to be shot down dead in public simple because their presence made another person feel threatened?

Sure, shooting deaths of young black men are a dime a dozen. This particular case is news-worthy because of that. Because it's worth talking about how we interact with our neighbors. It's important because gun regulations have been gutted and mercenary laws have been strengthened.



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#342 Jul 22 2013 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
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Too bad no one sided with the black kid and thousands like him before being shot dead.

...and some craven button-pusher thinks a few rate-downs are somehow meaningful. Hah.

Edited, Jul 22nd 2013 5:20pm by Elinda
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Does it make you uncomfortable to know that our society finds it acceptable for an unarmed innocent black child


Stop pandering. "Child"? Really?
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#344 Jul 22 2013 at 10:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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much ado about nothing.

Edited, Jul 22nd 2013 10:12am by rdmcandie


c'mon, man, speak the Queen's English!

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Stop pandering. "Child"? Really?


He was 17. Legal definition, and all.

Also, learn to quote, I saw you do it once, so I know you can. All your talk of "aesthetic choice" really doesn't fit with any sense of beauty.

Edited, Jul 22nd 2013 9:35am by stupidmonkey

ETA: correct words. Hangovers suck

Edited, Jul 22nd 2013 9:36am by stupidmonkey
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#345 Jul 22 2013 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
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He was 17. Legal definition, and all.
Squabbling over 11 days.
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Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
He was 17. Legal definition, and all.
Squabbling over 11 days.


I'm not squabbling, it is the legal definition. No argument accepted.
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I'm not squabbling, it is the legal definition. No argument accepted.
As long as you feel he's innocent.
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Does it make you uncomfortable to know that our society finds it acceptable for an unarmed innocent black child


Stop pandering. "Child"? Really?

Not pandering at all. An adult and a child are two very different legal definitions. Basically Martin was still the property of his parents.

Revisit this when your kid(s) turns 17..

Ok, maybe it's pandering a little. I could have used the word 'teen' or 'youth' or 'young person'.


Edited, Jul 22nd 2013 7:07pm by Elinda
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#349 Jul 22 2013 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
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Of course race was a factor. So was ***, age and dress. If it was a black woman Zimmerman would have reacted differently.

Women shouldn't be walking alone at night, that's obviously an invitation to rape. :)


Not without their chastity belt. Smiley: smile
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I'm not squabbling, it is the legal definition. No argument accepted.
As long as you feel he's innocent.


I'm not making a statement either way, in regards to guilt or innocence.
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#351 Jul 22 2013 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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I think I've said it in this thread already, but I believe that we have no legal right to treat minors as adults only when it suits us, in reactive ways that can only work to their detriment. I don't think it's profitable to us as a society, and I consider it an infringement of their own right to be treated equitably under the law.

If our current understanding and expectations of what ages constitute an "adult" don't fit the law, than change the law.

But I'm not okay with picking and choosing what cases should and should not be sufficient. That minor didn't have access to any legal rights of adulthood when they committed the crime. To me, being an adult citizen is partly about taking part in the maintenance and development of the social and legal fabric of our society. Having access to adult rights changes your capacity to do so.

Because a big part of what a crime is, to me, is the sufficiently significant damage to that legal/social fabric, I really don't like the notion of trying as adults those individuals who were not beforehand given the capacity to actually act as adults.

That's not making any commentary on how our current system operates with regards to the differences between minors/adults when it comes to punishments, etc.

I just think that, if we want to try a 17 year old as an adult, then that 17 year old needs to be a legal adult. Maybe what we really need is some legal status between minor and adulthood, which would provide young adults with more rights and privileges at the cost of having increased social/legal responsibility. I'm not opposed to this in general, but I have no clue what that would actually look like.
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