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#652 Aug 16 2013 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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Also, there are 600 people in the ffxiv forum at the moment. What the hell?


Phase 4 of the beta started today, which is the phase where character data is saved. That lasts all weekend. Then next weekend is Early Access, with launch on Monday or Tuesday.
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#653 Aug 17 2013 at 2:06 PM Rating: Good
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FFXIV is still running...?
#654 Aug 17 2013 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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FFXIV is still running...?


It was killed off by Square Enix, then completely redone and re-released, coming out on Aug 27th. Open Beta is this weekend (ends 2am PST Sunday though). The death of the previous game has been integrated into the storyline in a pretty interesting game.
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#655 Aug 17 2013 at 3:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've never played a FF MMO. Just the single player games. Open beta, huh?
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I'm not sure how "open" it is. Since I had my access from the closed. Not sure if you can just create an account and play or if you have to sign up and wait.

Either way there is only about 12 hours left and the servers are a bit congested.
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Well, turns out it's Monday at 9am, not Sunday at 2am (as was the standard before).

But hundreds of people are having issues, character creation is being turned off to cut down load, and I personally can't progress my character because the game thinks he's in an instance and won't let him do anything.
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All you need to do to enter open beta is make a SE account and sign up for beta here. They will instantly send you a key to enter.

Here's a guide if you really need one.

Edited, Aug 18th 2013 3:42am by BeanX
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#660 Aug 17 2013 at 11:55 PM Rating: Default
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How do I preorder? I hope my PC is back by then... it's been awhile..
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#661 Aug 18 2013 at 2:40 AM Rating: Good
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Well you can preorder through tons of places including online. Heres a link to SE's website Just click preorder.

I would suggest grabbing it from Greenman Gaming its a PC game sale site and right now they have 25% off on all Preorder games if you use code: GMG25-OGRUH-7SM8H which would bring FF14 down to 22.50 for normal or like 40 for Digital Deluxe

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#663 Aug 18 2013 at 6:37 AM Rating: Good
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Well, turns out it's Monday at 9am, not Sunday at 2am (as was the standard before).

But hundreds of people are having issues, character creation is being turned off to cut down load, and I personally can't progress my character because the game thinks he's in an instance and won't let him do anything.
That's a pretty bad sign with release right around the corner.
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It's a very large bug to be found a mere 7 days away from early access. And by the looks of it, it's not something that has been easy to track down the source of the problem, since people have been locked out for 40+ hours.
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They didn't buy enough servers for launch. They didn't expect nearly the amount of interest they got, so they are having to scramble to bring resources online. Takes about a week to get additional hardware in and online on an emergancy basis, so I'm guessing they'll be able to make launch, the question is how many people did they lose already because of that. but most people know beta means "buggy" so should still eventually give them a cahnce if they were already interested and liked what little they saw.
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#666 Aug 18 2013 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I loved what I able to play, but I've been locked out of the game since late last night. I DC'd while zoning and now the game insists that I'm still logged in. Apparently it's so common of an issue that they have a thread in the beta forums asking for character names and world for affected people. It's 1194 pages long at the moment.
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Not to downplay how sucky your personal experience here is, Tith, but I think the issue is being vastly over-exaggerated here.

Partly, because the population getting hit by this issue is relatively small overall.

But more importantly, because this beta phase is really just a stress test. SE is doing everything to simulate the highest load they can. But that's part of it - this is simulation. SE closing servers doesn't mean servers are going down, it means that they only want a limited range of players on the various servers for their own reasons. A closed server in this context doesn't mean anything other than that SE doesn't want any more characters on that server for testing purposes. The actual character limit per server will be far higher at launch, and I doubt they'll be closing any servers then. They'll also be launching with more worlds than they have now.

The other part of it being a stress test is that they're looking to see how the systems work under the highest strain they can put them under and still expect them to work. Considering the nature of the 9000 glitch, with the server thinking you're instanced, that sounds like a strain-related issue. I doubt it'll be present at launch.
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No, the server load isn't the bug. It's merely a catalyst that caused the bug to appear. The load caused the server connections to fail, the servers failing caused characters to be stuck in this permanent limbo, with apparently no automated system to handle the status.

I'd say that the servers not handling character and account connection and status information correctly when under load is a pretty major bug to be finding this late in the game, a week before the load of the servers is going to be at it's peak. I'm kind of surprised because the game handled disconnects while in instances very well during phase 3. Throughout phase 3 I had disconnected while entering, leaving, and while inside instances multiple times with no negative impacts.
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Honestly, this feels like one of the smoother stress tests of all the ones I've been involved in, by a pretty huge margin, so I can't say I can muster much energy to worry. TOR's was way worse than this and, all things considered, they had an incredibly smooth launch.
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Hate to bring it back to the topic, but all of this talk about drug laws and "stop and frisk" got me thinking. It's pretty obvious that reality has been jaundiced for political and personal pleasure. The same people that complained about TSA frisks are supporting Stop and Frisk with the belief that "stop and frisk" reduces crime, when in reality it's just unfair targeting. Those same people then don't see the connection between this and Treyvon Martin, wondering why Martin would feel threatened when he didn't do anything wrong, while at the same time institutionalizing stereotyping.

In the small cases where drugs are found, those same people are for outrageous sentences that are 20% longer for minorities than their counter part. This results in years of primarily black men in the prisons. Even though the US only makes up 5% of the world's population, it contains 20% of the prisoners. Given that the majority of the people in prison are ethnic minorities, even though they make about a third of the total US population, it suggests that US black and Mexican men make up a large percentage of the WORLD'S crime (if the arrests rate matches the crime rate). Obviously that isn't true, but then these same people are the ones saying that it isn't institutionalizes favoritism, its the family make up. They argue that the lack of a father figure is the reason, not institutionalized favoritism, while locking up all of the fathers.

Well, the only way to change things, would be to educate our youth. Oh, what's that? These same people who support putting extra cops in the streets to arrests black and brown men don't want to support any type of affirmative action in schools or even support the school system in general. Instead, these same people, offer school vouchers to a select few while the rest get horrible education because the people are coincidentally lumped together in zones where these students aren't going to better schools.

So, obviously, we must vote to get in office to change things! Oh, wait.. don't tell me... Yes.. it's these SAME people who rezoned residents to stay in poor schools are rezoning districts so that their vote can't take the majority. These are the same people who want to make it HARDER to vote to attack "voter fraud". Even though, the statistics show that less than 1% of the votes were voter fraud, we must take every precaution. These are the same people who complain about having national gun laws because it "only affects the law abiding citizen", even though their voting ID change doesn't prevent anyone from faking a driver license, because no one ever does that!

No reasonable person disagrees with proving your identity prior to voting, but to require a government ID without a plan to ensure that everyone HAS a government ID IS voter suppression. Simply allowing registered people to go to the DMV to get a new official government voting card, would work. However, these same people, who are willing to spend all of this money in over packed jails are not willing to to fork over the money to ensure that everyone has government IDs. Furthermore, there are no reasons to end early voting and/or same day registration.

So with the lack of voting power, one can feel like 3/5 of a person, with sub par education, surrounded by drugs, guns and violence as a bait for cops to constantly target you as a criminal and people wonder why Martin ran? I'm being hyperbolical here, but he wasn't merely running from a rent-a-cop, but the life surroundings which taunts his life as a living nightmare.

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Honestly, this feels like one of the smoother stress tests of all the ones I've been involved in, by a pretty huge margin, so I can't say I can muster much energy to worry. TOR's was way worse than this and, all things considered, they had an incredibly smooth launch.
Well, let me know what the game is like when you get a good idea.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Honestly, this feels like one of the smoother stress tests of all the ones I've been involved in, by a pretty huge margin, so I can't say I can muster much energy to worry.
Reading people going apeshit over a beta stress test doing what it's supposed to do is most amusing.
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Honestly, this feels like one of the smoother stress tests of all the ones I've been involved in, by a pretty huge margin, so I can't say I can muster much energy to worry.
Reading people going apeshit over a beta stress test doing what it's supposed to do is most amusing.
That's why I'm waiting.. I'm not jumping in until a week or so after initial release. Avoid the chaos!
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You should really have started a separate thread for this Alma. But I'll pay anyway! ;)

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Well, the only way to change things, would be to educate our youth. Oh, what's that? These same people who support putting extra cops in the streets to arrests black and brown men don't want to support any type of affirmative action in schools or even support the school system in general. Instead, these same people, offer school vouchers to a select few while the rest get horrible education because the people are coincidentally lumped together in zones where these students aren't going to better schools.


Please tell me that "these same people" isn't supposed to mean "conservatives/Republicans", because we want to provide school vouchers for everyone. It's the Democrats who need to protect a bloated public school system, with its public school unions, which provide the Dems massive political benefits who block any attempt to make it easier for poor kids to get a better education.

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So, obviously, we must vote to get in office to change things! Oh, wait.. don't tell me... Yes.. it's these SAME people who rezoned residents to stay in poor schools are rezoning districts so that their vote can't take the majority.


Ah. So you are talking about Democrats. You do understand that Democrats are the ones who've held majorities in most legislatures for most of the last 50 years and are grimly trying to hold onto the artificial political advantages they've created for themselves, even while the people they've put into those districts continue to suffer increased poverty and crime.

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These are the same people who want to make it HARDER to vote to attack "voter fraud".


Yup. That's the Democrats. Great! We're on the same page.

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Even though, the statistics show that less than 1% of the votes were voter fraud, we must take every precaution. These are the same people who complain about having national gun laws because it "only affects the law abiding citizen", even though their voting ID change doesn't prevent anyone from faking a driver license, because no one ever does that!


Huh? Democrats don't tend to oppose national gun laws. They fight for them. Wait! So you think "These people" are Republicans? Cause those are the people trying to get voter ID laws passed (which btw, would make it harder to *commit* voter fraud, not hard to *attack* it). Maybe you're confused?

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No reasonable person disagrees with proving your identity prior to voting, but to require a government ID without a plan to ensure that everyone HAS a government ID IS voter suppression. Simply allowing registered people to go to the DMV to get a new official government voting card, would work. However, these same people, who are willing to spend all of this money in over packed jails are not willing to to fork over the money to ensure that everyone has government IDs.


So it's reasonable to require that people prove identity prior to voting, but it's not reasonable to actually provide an ID in order to make that requirement possible? That makes no sense. I think your problem is that you don't realize that the left really is taking the position you just said that "no reasonable person" would take. They do think it's wrong to require any form of ID to vote. Period. That's what they're fighting against. The whole business about it being too hard to get a government ID is complete BS. The states that have proposed this include in the law a completely free ID to anyone who wants one. Cost is not an issue here. It's an excuse. The Democrats want it to be easy to commit voter fraud. Which ought to speak volumes about *why* they'd want to do that.

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Furthermore, there are no reasons to end early voting and/or same day registration.


There are lots of reasons to end them. Same day registration is fraud waiting to happen. There's no time to go through the registrations to ensure that they are legitimate. Meanwhile, the person gets to vote, perhaps for the 10th time that day, perhaps with multiple false names. Who knows? Remember all the problems with bogus voter registrations when the only incentive was individuals getting bonuses for registering more people? What do you think happens when it's a tight election on the line, and the person you're registering is voting right then that day? Huge potential for fraud.

Early voting is problematic because it favors the party which receives better "free" media coverage of their positions and ideas (which would be the Democrats btw). It's not uncommon for a Democrat to be favored in polls 1-2 months before election day because of positive press, but when the Republican is able to tell his story to the public (via paid ads), things shift in the other direction. Voters who vote that far ahead of time are voting based on perceptions of the candidates from that early point. There's some value to limiting how early they can vote, if for no other reason than to prevent campaign costs from continuing to rise. Whatever the early voting cut off is, that's how far ahead of the election the candidates will have to spend money to try to sway voters. IMO, it's a good idea to ensure that as many voters as possible go into the polls with the benefit of every single bit of information that both sides have given them, so they can make the most informed decision possible.

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So with the lack of voting power, one can feel like 3/5 of a person, with sub par education, surrounded by drugs, guns and violence as a bait for cops to constantly target you as a criminal and people wonder why Martin ran? I'm being hyperbolical here, but he wasn't merely running from a rent-a-cop, but the life surroundings which taunts his life as a living nightmare.


I think that is a **** of a lot of hyperbole. One has to wonder how someone can manage to get to a voting booth on election day if they can't manage to get to a DMV office at any point during the previous 2 years to get an ID. It's a pretty ridiculous argument. Voting it not just a right; it's a responsibility too. And that means registering ahead of time. It means obtaining an ID ahead of time. I get that this might just inconvenience a party that depends on rolling into homeless shelters on election day, gathering people up with promises of free food, and busing them to the polling place to vote in order to win elections. But perhaps folks who haven't given a thought about voting until someone offers then free food in return for doing so isn't really fulfilling their civic obligation but is simply being used.


These restrictions apply equally to everyone. They're completely reasonable. And if you think this somehow more heavily affects people of color, perhaps the correct direction to go is to ask why those people are less likely to register ahead of time, or obtain a valid ID. Maybe the factors that cause those problems are more important to fix than whether we can bus them to the poling place to use their ignorance and irresponsibility in our favor on election day. One party is attempting to empower those people to make their own decisions without being coerced in any way. The other is perfectly fine with them wallowing in poverty and helplessness, so they're more easy to take advantage of. Care to guess which party is which?
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One party is attempting to empower those people to make their own decisions without being coerced in any way.

Democrats by making it easier for them to exercise their constitutional right to vote?
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Republicans by erecting barriers designed to prevent them from voting?
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Pretty sure it is the rest of us who have to pay!
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You should really have started a separate thread for this Alma. But I'll pay anyway! ;)


No, it was intentional bait for you to respond so I can bring up the fact that you haven't responded to your contradictions.

1. You initially argued that Martin's ACTIONS PRIOR to him running were suspicious, hence why Zimmerman made the phone call. Now you're arguing that Martin's FIRST action was him running (even though Zimmerman said otherwise). Both can't be right.

2. You claim that I didn't answer your question on why I think Martin ran, yet when I quote YOUR very own response on how these instances play out, you claim that isn't an answer. So, is it only valid when you say it? It's either an answer or it isn't.
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I liked this thread when it was about FF and beta tests. Or something.
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Don't get me wrong, I stand by what I said, but I was also demonstrating that he's all about distractions.
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I liked this thread when it was about FF and beta tests. Or something.
More entertaining than going through this **** again.
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More entertaining than going through this sh*t again.
In their defense, they're both topics about things dying prematurely.
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#685gbaji, Posted: Aug 20 2013 at 7:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) BZZZZZT! Wrong answer. It's Democrats. Because they don't care about whether someone is living in poverty and helplessness, as long as they can use them to vote for them on election day.
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(and what a surprise that they magically only pick up people from these places that they think will vote Democrat)

What a surprise that Democrats concentrate their GOTV efforts among Democratic voters? The NERVE of those guys! Why, I personally had Romney supporters offer to carry me to the polls in a golden litter. You know, because their sole concern was the flow of democracy with no regard as to who won the election.
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Let me know how the Republican-led efforts to get every minority voter a government ID are going. You know, if they can squeeze that in between tightening polling hours, making it harder to obtain provisional ballots and the ever popular "Mysteriously send fliers into black neighborhoods with the wrong election date" that comes up every cycle.

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Vote early. Vote often! Yup. Don't think that's changed at all.
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(and what a surprise that they magically only pick up people from these places that they think will vote Democrat)

What a surprise that Democrats concentrate their GOTV efforts among Democratic voters? The NERVE of those guys!


But when you combine that with folks in a homeless shelter, offers of free food and goodies, but they're only taking people who are going to vote Democrat, what do you think that does? It coerces those people to vote Democrat.

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Let me know how the Republican-led efforts to get every minority voter a government ID are going.


Missing the point there Joph. If all voters are required to pre-register and are required to have a valid ID to vote, then the efforts by both parties to get out the vote will include getting people IDs and getting them registered. In this particular case, it means that the Dems would have to go to those shelters on days other than election day and convince and assist likely Dem voters there to go get a photo ID and register. And if, after doing that, those people who now have photo IDs, complete with an address, might just find it a slight bit easier to go out and get a job, isn't that a good thing?

It's a baby step in the right direction, but for some it might just be the nudge that gets their lives back on track. And even if not, it will help prevent voting fraud (or at least prevent the perception of voting fraud). Like I said, heaven forbid we actually use all that money and energy to do something that not only gets people out to vote but *also* provides them with a tool that might just improve their lives in other ways. At the very least doesn't it seem silly to fight to *not* do this? Is there some virtue to fighting against voter ID requirements so that people who don't have IDs don't have to get them? Which is really more of a problem? That they can't vote on election day, or that they don't have IDs and thus can't work, have a bank account, rent a house, operate a vehicle, etc?


If your argument for opposing voter ID requirements is that not everyone who votes has an ID, isn't that then the least of their problems? It just seems incredibly selfish to me that Democrats think that the biggest problem for someone without any form of legal photo ID is that they can't vote Democrat on election day.

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So if there's more ID laws, there will be less cases of voter fraud, right gbaji?
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But when you combine that with folks in a homeless shelter, offers of free food and goodies, but they're only taking people who are going to vote Democrat, what do you think that does? It coerces those people to vote Democrat.

Elections are all about getting people to vote for your side. That's kind of the point. And, not to mention the obvious, but if the people are in a homeless shelter they're already getting food and clothing so I doubt anyone is going ape for a t-shirt.

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No, I'm really not. If Republicans gave a shit about making sure poor people had state IDs, they would be making concentrated efforts to get them those IDs. They don't because Republicans don't want those people to vote. Which is 100% the idea of passing the ID laws in the first place.
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Which is 100% the idea of passing the ID laws in the first place.


Not just liberal conspiracy talk either.

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Which is 100% the idea of passing the ID laws in the first place.
They're just really really really concerned over the hundreds of millions of cases of voter fraud over the last decade.

Or just hundreds.
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I doubt anyone is going ape for a t-shirt.
I'd sell my vote for an Allakhazam t-shirt.
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Which is 100% the idea of passing the ID laws in the first place.
They're just really really really concerned over the hundreds of millions of cases bed-time stories told to little republican kids of voter fraud over the last decade.

Or just hundreds.

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Clearly there MUST have been voter fraud, how else could that goddamned liberal Muslim be a president?

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 4:59pm by Aethien
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Jophiel wrote:
I doubt anyone is going ape for a t-shirt.
I'd sell my vote for an Allakhazam t-shirt.


Are we talking original vintage here, or a new one?
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Vintage, of course.
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Vintage, of course.


Pfft, **** that. A vintage one is worth at least 5 votes. Maybe 6 in Nebraska. On account of the corn.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
I doubt anyone is going ape for a t-shirt.
I'd sell my vote for an Allakhazam t-shirt.


Are we talking original vintage here, or a new one?

If you're talking new or used I'd wanna know who used the vintage version. I don't want Usagi's old t-shirt.

I like the ones that say Allakhazam's Magical Realm in the style of the old everquest skin.
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If you're talking new or used I'd wanna know who used the vintage version. I don't want Usagi's old t-shirt.
It would probably make for a pretty good tent though.
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