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#1 Jun 26 2013 at 7:01 AM Rating: Good
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Yesterday the SCOTUS struck down part of the Voter's Rights Act freeing up states to enact voting changes without prior approval from the feds.

Do you agree with the SCOTUS decision?

Why or why not?

Today the SCOTUS is expected to announce it's decision about DOMA and *** marriage laws.

What do you think will be the outcome?

What are you hoping for the outcome to be?
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#2 Jun 26 2013 at 7:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can agree that perhaps the formula for determining regions affected by the VRA should be updated since the 1960's. But the ruling effectively kills the entire Act by allowing Congress to just drop the ball on ever updating it (which they will never do) so I don't think anyone believes this was anything but a backdoor way fro the conservative wing to kill the entire Act. I don't know how much flexibility the SCotUS has in creating rulings so I'll decline from throwing out suggestions on how it would have been better. I see more argument for saying the VRA should have stood as is since Congress has the option of changing the formula and has declined to. They voted on it and approved it within the last 10 years so you could say the formula is effectively only 10 years old. That makes more sense to me than killing the entire law on a technicality.

My predictions on the SSM cases are the same as most people watching it: DOMA overturned, Prop 8 returned to the state without judgement, effectively overturning it without setting a national precedent.

Edit: I shouldn't say the "entire" Act as some aspects might be untouched but the major relevant portion of regions required to gain approval before ******** with the voting abilities of the people there is effectively dead.

Edited, Jun 26th 2013 8:23am by Jophiel
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#3 Jun 26 2013 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good
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I'm sure the DOMA stuff will be fun to watch in the next few weeks, but the real circus will start during the elections. It's like this ruling is specifically to get ratings for the twenty-four hour news stations.
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#4 Jun 26 2013 at 8:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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5-4: DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...2-307_g2bh.pdf
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5-4: DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...2-307_g2bh.pdf
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#6 Jun 26 2013 at 8:26 AM Rating: Good
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It'll be overturned on appeal because of the Second Amendment.
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#7 Jun 26 2013 at 8:30 AM Rating: Good
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I haven't had time to read the opinions, but I thought Roberts would be on the side striking it down over the whole States Rights issue. I hadn't followed it closely, but his questioning initially seemed to be heavy on that part of the debate, from what I remember.
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Jophiel wrote:
My predictions on the SSM cases are the same as most people watching it: DOMA overturned, Prop 8 returned to the state without judgement, effectively overturning it without setting a national precedent.

Score one for conventional wisdom.
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#9 Jun 26 2013 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
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So far it's been a good morning.

- TX lawmarkers didn't get away with fraud after all
- DOMA is dead
- A friend just found out her book is getting published
- Another friend just found out she's approved to close on her first house

Now if my fourth round job interview goes well this afternoon, it'll officially be the best day of 2013 so far for me.
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#10 Jun 26 2013 at 8:50 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:


Edit: I shouldn't say the "entire" Act as some aspects might be untouched but the major relevant portion of regions required to gain approval before ******** with the voting abilities of the people there is effectively dead.


I suppose the good that can come out of this is the SCOTUS will have to set precedent on individual voting issues as being discriminatory or not. It just takes a long time for that to happen. In the meantime, many will be disenfranchised.

I think what the republicans aren't fully realizing is that, at least with voter ID laws, friendly fire could take as big a toll on voter turn-out as those being selectively discouraged from voting.

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#11 Jun 26 2013 at 8:56 AM Rating: Good
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Necrotic fingers. Better to amputate the whole hand than to lose the whole arm or life. It's these little things we must do in order to keep those filthy Irish from voting.
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I think what the republicans aren't fully realizing is that, at least with voter ID laws, friendly fire could take as big a toll on voter turn-out as those being selectively discouraged from voting.


Old frail republicans vote by absentee ballot, not in person having to worry about new voter ID laws.
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#13 Jun 26 2013 at 9:06 AM Rating: Decent
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I suppose the good that can come out of this is the SCOTUS will have to set precedent on individual voting issues as being discriminatory or not. It just takes a long time for that to happen. In the meantime, many will be disenfranchised.

Most (if any) challenges won't get to SCOTUS. DOJ will be forced to bring probably hundreds of Section 3 challenges, how that will shake out remains to be seen.
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#14 Jun 26 2013 at 9:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Yesterday the SCOTUS struck down part of the Voter's Rights Act freeing up states to enact voting changes without prior approval from the feds.

Do you agree with the SCOTUS decision?

Why or why not?


Yeah, I'm fine with that. The system was aged, ok fine. People down south say they're not going to cause a ruckus and say they're over this whole racist thing, ok fine. The law gets rewritten, the feds return in 2 years and end up re-instituting a similar system in locations where problems arise, only this time with more legitimacy.

Elinda wrote:
Today the SCOTUS is expected to announce it's decision about DOMA and *** marriage laws.


DOMA is gone, good riddance to bad rubbish and such.


Edited, Jun 26th 2013 8:40am by someproteinguy
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#15 Jun 26 2013 at 9:30 AM Rating: Excellent
Have they decided on Prop 8 yet?
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#16 Jun 26 2013 at 9:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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A little more detail on exactly what the Proposition 8 decision by the Supreme Court means: By dismissing the case, the decision will allow for the lower court decision in California that allows for same-*** marriage to be reinstated. The appeals court stay on the decision will be lifted.
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#17 Jun 26 2013 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
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Now if my fourth round job interview goes well this afternoon, it'll officially be the best day of 2013 so far for me.
Fourth round?!

Man, I hope they're hiring you to stream-line their decision-making procedures.
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#19 Jun 26 2013 at 9:51 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
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Now if my fourth round job interview goes well this afternoon, it'll officially be the best day of 2013 so far for me.
Fourth round?!

Man, I hope they're hiring you to stream-line their decision-making procedures.


At least I don't have to fly 2,000 miles out this time.

It's a meet and greet at the office I'd actually be working at, four miles away.

The first two interviews were via phone. It went something like this...

Round 1: Are you a good conversationalist and not an *******? Ok, pass.

Round 2: Are you making this stuff on your resume up? No? Ok, pass.

Round 3: Can you get along with the people that would be your managers? Yes? Ok, pass.

Round 4: Can you get along with the people that will be your colleagues?

They're dragging it out because last time they tried to fill this position, they were all ready to sign the papers and then he decided to stay in ATL.
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#20 Jun 26 2013 at 10:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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Catwho wrote:
Round 1: Are you a good conversationalist and not an @#%^? Ok, pass.

Round 2: Are you making this stuff on your resume up? No? Ok, pass.

Round 3: Can you get along with the people that would be your managers? Yes? Ok, pass.

Round 4: Can you get along with the people that will be your colleagues?


Smiley: eek

They must be dragging it out, how is that not 4 questions in a single interview?
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#21 Jun 26 2013 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
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I'd rather go through a long dragged out interview process and hear a "yes" than have that crammed into a single hour to hear "no" at the end.

Last week was the gauntlet - four hours. Today is just two hours.
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#22 Jun 26 2013 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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At least it isn't a two plus hour question and answer session where the best possible outcome is "congratulations, you're now on a list with several dozen other people for a promotion that will only open up if someone else vacates that position first." Nothing like a multi-year wait for succeeding in my immediate future. Smiley: laugh
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someproteinguy wrote:
The law gets rewritten, the feds return in 2 years and end up re-instituting a similar system in locations where problems arise, only this time with more legitimacy.

Right. The House is going to be all over writing new legislation protecting the voting rights of minorities in the south.

I expect it to be filed immediately after the "government funded abortions for everyone" legislation they're working on.
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At least it isn't a two plus hour question and answer session where the best possible outcome is "congratulations, you're now on a list with several dozen other people for a promotion that will only open up if someone else vacates that position first." Nothing like a multi-year wait for succeeding in my immediate future. Smiley: laugh


The Publisher's Clearing House of Job applications?

Edit:
**** it Joph, now I gotta go back and edit in a quote.

Edited, Jun 26th 2013 12:42pm by TirithRR
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#25 Jun 26 2013 at 10:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
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The law gets rewritten, the feds return in 2 years and end up re-instituting a similar system in locations where problems arise, only this time with more legitimacy.

Right. The House is going to be all over writing new legislation protecting the voting rights of minorities in the south.

I expect it to be filed immediately after the "government funded abortions for everyone" legislation they're working on.

Maybe it was just foolish of me, but as jumpy as they all are about voter fraud you'd think there'd be room in there for some kind of punitive reaction to cases where it's been shown to happen. Locations where there's evidence of voter fraud get enhanced scrutiny for a few years or something.
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someproteinguy wrote:
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The law gets rewritten, the feds return in 2 years and end up re-instituting a similar system in locations where problems arise, only this time with more legitimacy.

Right. The House is going to be all over writing new legislation protecting the voting rights of minorities in the south.

I expect it to be filed immediately after the "government funded abortions for everyone" legislation they're working on.

Maybe it was just foolish of me, but as jumpy as they all are about voter fraud you'd think there'd be room in there for some kind of punitive reaction to cases where it's been shown to happen. Locations where there's evidence of voter fraud get enhanced scrutiny for a few years or something.

I think you misunderstand their intentions. Do they care about voter fraud? [sarcasm]Yes[/sarcasm]. Do they care about voter's who don't vote for them not being able to vote because of restrictive voting ID laws? Hahaha...
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