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#1 Jun 10 2013 at 12:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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because, frankly, we have better ways to get your information now.

Anyone else reading it that way? After some of Mr. Ed's descriptions, That was just asking for a cross-thread reference, sorry. it almost seems like that. How old fashioned would tapping your phone lines be at a time like this anyway? Don't we all text everything? Kids these days...

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"The NSA has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything. With this capability, the vast majority of human communications are automatically ingested without targeting.


Why pay someone to listen to a phone when you can have a computer process the information instead?

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If I wanted to see your emails or your wife's phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your emails, passwords, phone records, credit cards.


I love his former firm's response to this as well:

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"If accurate, this action represents a grave violation of the code of conduct and core values of our firm," the statement said.


Because potentially facing execution for divulging information = not following mission statement. Smiley: rolleyes

In the end I can't say any of this was all that surprising. I mean, you'd except if some 16 year old can do it you'd hope the government could do it better. I'm still shaking my head at the sound bite from Obama's speech though. Seems a bit out of touch with modern communication methods. Perhaps that was why he said it, I dunno.

Did we have a thread about this? I couldn't find it, but I seem to remember talking about stuff at some point. Part of a derail?
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#2 Jun 10 2013 at 12:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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No dedicated thread on it. You might be confusing the thread about Manning and the diplomatic info dumps.

"No one is listening to your telephone calls" is a bit of a straw man since that was never really the argument. On the other hand, since most people have no idea what the argument is, I suppose you'd want to define it on your terms. Before they start assuming the NSA must be listening to your phone calls.
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#3 Jun 10 2013 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
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They're not listening that closely if I'm still not in jail.
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#4 Jun 10 2013 at 12:16 PM Rating: Default
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Are there people who actually thought that communication in general wasn't monitored by the government?
#5 Jun 10 2013 at 12:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Probably the same people who think their facebook page is private.
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#6 Jun 10 2013 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
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But I can download that app that lets me see who is checking my profile!!!Smiley: rolleyes
#7 Jun 10 2013 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
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If Uncle Sam wants to catch us being bad Americans, then it's spies should be ingesting and digesting our forum posts.


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You assume we're not?
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Of course they're not. What government employee would just sit around reading and posting on Zam all day?
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You assume we're not?

Nice cover...Smiley: rolleyes
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#11 Jun 10 2013 at 12:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Before they start assuming the NSA must be listening to your phone calls.

That almost sounds preferable.

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Nice cover...Smiley: rolleyes

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Jophiel wrote:
"No one is listening to your telephone calls" is a bit of a straw man since that was never really the argument. On the other hand, since most people have no idea what the argument is, I suppose you'd want to define it on your terms. Before they start assuming the NSA must be listening to your phone calls.


Doesn't help that the media continually conflates actual overseas wiretapping operations (and domestic via FISA requests) with the slurping up of phone log metadata. It's almost comical how ubiquitous this is and even when some expert they're interviewing tells them straight out that they are two different things, they'll turn to the camera at the end of the segment and make the same incorrect claim.
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They're not listening that closely if I'm still not in jail.


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If Uncle Sam wants to catch us being bad Americans, then it's spies should be ingesting and digesting our forum posts.


Ya know how more than one poster has been takin in for questioning after making forum posts? The spooks are doing their job.
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As long as they're getting the data from the ISPs and Internet sites it's not a big deal.

1 - There are several thousand people with my name in the country, and there's not really any way to tie an SSN to someone's Facebook page
2 - Google thinks I'm a 24 year old single male

I'm a bit miffed on behalf of other people, but I'm not surprised.
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Open your mind.....


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Doesn't help that the media continually conflates actual overseas wiretapping operations (and domestic via FISA requests) with the slurping up of phone log metadata. It's almost comical how ubiquitous this is and even when some expert they're interviewing tells them straight out that they are two different things, they'll turn to the camera at the end of the segment and make the same incorrect claim.

Not really much of a distinction, is it? "We drive by every house and when we see a car with an out of state plate, we search it, but we're not searching all of your cars, so relax".

Anyway, tempest in a boring teapot. Not new, no one cares. Populace and courts sufficiently unconcerned with civil liberties for this to be anything. GOP whining about privacy issues is at best comical, at worst harmful to them because the core of their national security strategy is widespread surveillance of US Citizens. Not that it's a partisan thing, that's just the governing philosophy of sigint these days. This story also ignores the tiny issues of when analysts want something and obtain it without going through FISA or other legal means. Which only happens about 50,000 times a day.
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Given how good their analytics team is, they probably know exactly who you are and when your next **** will be within a 9 minute margin of error. Your profile is there for you, and people you know, not them.
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Doesn't help that the media continually conflates actual overseas wiretapping operations (and domestic via FISA requests) with the slurping up of phone log metadata. It's almost comical how ubiquitous this is and even when some expert they're interviewing tells them straight out that they are two different things, they'll turn to the camera at the end of the segment and make the same incorrect claim.

Not really much of a distinction, is it? "We drive by every house and when we see a car with an out of state plate, we search it, but we're not searching all of your cars, so relax".


Except for the "drive by" part though. It's more like "we have a database which includes everyone's license, ID, vehicle registration, etc. We periodically use that data base to search against new want and warrants in order to locate people we're looking for". The question is at what point *your* data is being used/searched, and whether that really represents some violation of privacy. The reality is that your data is being accessed and compared against some search parameters all the time for any of a number of different purposes, most of which aren't remotely national security related. Every time some search is run, it has to look at your metadata to *not* achieve a match. Does that mean that your rights are being violated? Of course not.

But because it's a spooky organization like the NSA instead of the marketing department for Sears doing it, we get all outraged about it.

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GOP whining about privacy issues is at best comical, at worst harmful to them...


The really comical part is the outrage among Democrats and liberals though. The amount of GOP/conservative whining about this is about the same as it was when this issue was raised when Bush was president. Slightly higher due to the partisan aspects of it, but only somewhat. The delta on the other side of the political fence is pretty staggering though. Folks on the left who were screaming bloody murder at the mere hint that the NSA might be broadly tapping into this metadata back when Bush was in charge are now either defending it or staying suspiciously silent now.

It's not hard to see which side is viewing this through a thick partisan lens. And it isn't conservatives.

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Not that it's a partisan thing, that's just the governing philosophy of sigint these days.


Correct. The reasonable people on both side recognize the need for this and it only appears bad when deliberately framed that way by seemingly panicked pundits. What's partisan is when/how those pundits choose to appear panicked.
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Google thinks I'm a 24 year old single male

Given how good their analytics team is, they probably know exactly who you are and when your next sh*t will be within a 9 minute margin of error. Your profile is there for you, and people you know, not them.


What's more disturbing is that iTunes thinks I'm interested in the new Black Sabbath release.

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I wish you guys wouldn't let gbaji play with analogies.
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What other ogies would he play with?
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