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#1 May 29 2013 at 9:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toa_vH6xGqs

I only watched the first ten minutes. As I said previously, she really needs a better writer/narrator because these are boring as **** and poorly paced. Anyway, from what I did see her complaints seemed nearly identical to the previous video -- rescuing helpless women being used as an impetus for the male character.

Anyway, any excuse for a derail after post #4 into something about equal wages or why women don't deserve to become CEOs because they get pregnant.

My response from another forum (Steam, if you care) somewhat out of context but you're all smart enough to pick up on it:
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I do agree somewhat with poorly written. I think it can also be considered an over-reliance on what's shown to work (which is sort of the same thing). Women are used as an incentive to progress because romantic and familial bonds are something almost everyone can relate to so you don't have to waste a ton of time setting it up. If you make the end goal a packet of documents or something you need to justify why these documents are worth risking your life over and players may disagree. Furthermore, something like that has to be a "large goal" to make it worthwhile -- maybe you'd kill a thousand men between you and the red button that'll destroy the world but you probably (hopefully) wouldn't kill a thousand men to reclaim your stolen checkbook. Make the end goal your wife/love/daughter and almost anyone, even non-world-saving Everymans, can instantly relate and would say "Yeah, ok... we need to save her". Or even "I will avenge her." It's "lazy" in that it's used a lot but it's used a lot because nothing else really fills the same slot as far as instant incentive goes. If you want to end this trope, you should start by offering things that combine the same emotional impetus with the same lack of needed exposition.

The end goal can't free themselves because, if they could, there wouldn't be a game. Or it would be a game that invalidated the time you just spent on it to reach your goal and find her sitting on a pile of corpses, watching TV. If someone made a game where you spent hours trying to reach the nuclear launch codes only to be told in the end "Oh, those were last week's codes, you didn't need to do all that" it would be about the same as reaching your "damsel in distress" and finding out she already had things well in hand.

I will say that the "daughter" angle is over done in my opinion. Actually (and somewhat off topic from damsels) I was watching the trailers for Last of Us and realized that I was rather unaffected by a ******* girl with a gun or braining people with bricks. The genre is so saturated with ******* Girl Warriors who are supposed to shock me ("She's a girl and she did that!") that I'm over it. An 11 year old boy being forced to level a gun and shoot someone to rescue his father would actually impact me much more at this point.


When I looked at the previous Video #1 thread here I noticed I said close to the same stuff. Again, nothing really new this time around.
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#2 May 29 2013 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
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Wasn't the first video based around, in a small part at least, the rerelease of Double Dragon? The one where at the end of the game the damsel in distress actually not only saves herself but kicks the Big Bad™ square in the junk? Or was it the "if you stretch far enough you can turn any mention of a female in any medium to be sexist" one? I wonder what she thinks of Gail Simone.
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#3 May 29 2013 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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My Female Sith Warrior brutally slaughters all manners of innocents in a reckless bid for personal power.

She should do a thingie on that.
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#4 May 29 2013 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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My Female Sith Warrior brutally slaughters all manners of innocents in a reckless bid for personal power.
******* be crazy.
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#5 May 29 2013 at 10:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
My Female Sith Warrior brutally slaughters all manners of innocents in a reckless bid for personal power.
******* be crazy.
Should never call someone with a lightsaber crazy. It usually doesn't end well.
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#6 May 29 2013 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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How about a giant purple ***** in the hands of a fat black ******* with a purple afro?

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#7 May 29 2013 at 10:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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And people complain there's not enough diversity...

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#8 May 29 2013 at 10:49 AM Rating: Excellent
You don't actually do anything besides post in forums do you.
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#9 May 29 2013 at 10:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm sure he and a gang of liberals travel the country and meddle in Republican affairs.
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#10 May 29 2013 at 10:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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It doesn't take that long to post stuff.

Or maybe it does... Smiley: lol

Edited, May 29th 2013 10:01am by someproteinguy
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I'm sure he and a gang of liberals travel the country and meddle in Republican affairs.

I think he meant you.
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#12 May 29 2013 at 11:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm insulted then. I clearly also make image macros.

Edited, May 29th 2013 1:09pm by lolgaxe
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#13 May 29 2013 at 11:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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I outsource all my work to China and then spend time looking at funny pictures of cats.
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someproteinguy wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
My Female Sith Warrior brutally slaughters all manners of innocents in a reckless bid for personal power.
******* be crazy.
Should never call someone with a lightsaber crazy. It usually doesn't end well.
I don't think I've ever played a Star Wars game so I'm not afraid of lightsabers.
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I post on other forums because you guys are boring as fuck. The lack of passion in our relationship has caused me to cheat with other boards.
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#16 May 29 2013 at 11:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Seriously? Like never? How'd you manage that?

They're usually not the greatest games or anything, but they're just about everywhere.
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#17 May 29 2013 at 11:34 AM Rating: Good
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Because I'm really not that much of a gamer. Aside from WoW, some gamecube stuff, Rollercoaster tycoon and the Assassin's Creed series I've only messed around with a few RTS games that I suck at.
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#18 May 29 2013 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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I own both KOTOR games but have yet to play them.

Edited, May 29th 2013 12:47pm by Jophiel
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#19 May 29 2013 at 11:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Because I'm really not that much of a gamer. Aside from WoW, some gamecube stuff, Rollercoaster tycoon and the Assassin's Creed series I've only messed around with a few RTS games that I suck at.

Well I'd implore you to go out and some of try them, but I'm not sure you're missing much. SWTOR is "free" which is pretty much the biggest reason I'm playing it at the moment. That and there's a need for some actual storylines after 3 months in TERA. Smiley: lol

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#20 May 29 2013 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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I haven't watched the whole thing, but what I saw seemed very redundant with the first video. I think the general premise is sound. This video did seem more derisive of individual games, which I typically think is a fool's errand (feminism in media always makes a better case when it looks at the big picture, like the Bechdel Test. There's nothing wrong with any single game featuring a damsel in distress, after all.).

The presentation's also a little dry and academic, which isn't what I usually go for in videos - if I'm watching something, it needs to really engage my eyes, and I don't think repetitious clips from exemplary games really fit that bill. But I think the larger point is well taken, all the same. I'm curious to see the videos move on to other topics, as this one seems to be mined dry.

Edited, May 29th 2013 2:01pm by Eske
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someproteinguy wrote:
My Female Sith Warrior brutally slaughters all manners of innocents in a reckless bid for personal power.

She should do a thingie on that.
She's a *****
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Eske Esquire wrote:
I'm curious to see the videos move on to other topics, as this one seems to be mined dry.
Sexism in books? Sexism in movies? Sexism in music? Sexism in television? Sexism the Flame Thrower? She's certainly not going to move away from sexism; It's her bread and butter.
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someproteinguy wrote:
My Female Sith Warrior brutally slaughters all manners of innocents in a reckless bid for personal power.

She should do a thingie on that.
She's a ****.

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Eske Esquire wrote:
I'm curious to see the videos move on to other topics, as this one seems to be mined dry.
Sexism in books? Sexism in movies? Sexism in music? Sexism in television? Sexism the Flame Thrower? She's certainly not going to move away from sexism; It's her bread and butter.

I know. It's almost like people like *** or something.

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As amusing as I find the comments and ratings disabled on her videos, I think the funniest thing is "trigger warning" is almost literally two weeks old Tumblr talk. That stinks of pandering to me, and I have no real reason to take anything she says serious. I mean, besides the stuff she says not giving me much reason to take her serious. Icing, cake, etc.
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lolgaxe wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
I'm curious to see the videos move on to other topics, as this one seems to be mined dry.
Sexism in books? Sexism in movies? Sexism in music? Sexism in television? Sexism the Flame Thrower? She's certainly not going to move away from sexism; It's her bread and butter.


Since it's the topic of the video series, well, yeah. But the other topics I'm referring to are the other tropes - I'm too lazy to look 'em up, but the series is supposed to be composed of 12 or so different sexist tropes, one per video.

Edited, May 29th 2013 3:16pm by Eske
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