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#1 May 01 2013 at 7:10 AM Rating: Good
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If the Syrian Gov is found to be using chemical weapons on the rebels, Obamer says it's a game-changer. Apparently he draws the next line of no-crossing here.

Every pundit and their bro is speculating on what, if any, action would be appropriate if the 'game changes'.

Honestly, i don't quite understand why the use of chemical weapons should be such a game-changer - violence is violence, dead is dead. Wouldn't numbers of civilians dead be a better metric to make offensive-action type decisions on?

Anyways, should we exert more military influence on the events unfolding in Syria?

Have we learned enough, or anything, from the recent mid-east wars we've been in and are still entangled in?
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If the Syrian Gov is found to be using chemical weapons on the rebels, Obamer says it's a game-changer.


He's lying. There's no win for the US in Syria, the best case in a realpolitik sense is exactly what's happening now. The US will endeavor to drag out the conflict for as long as possible. If it becomes clear one side or another is close to "winning" that might be a "game changer", Expect the US to arm the rebels when it becomes clear they're failing badly.
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Have we learned enough, or anything, from the recent mid-east wars we've been in and are still entangled in?
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#4 May 01 2013 at 7:36 AM Rating: Good
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Have we learned enough, or anything, from the recent mid-east wars we've been in and are still entangled in?
We haven't learned sh*t.

I've learned some geography. I know where Syria, Afghanistan, Kuwait, etc are now on the big map.
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Washington Post reports that we're preparing to send armaments to the Syrian rebels. There's no real public support for a full-on military intervention though.
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Honestly, i don't quite understand why the use of chemical weapons should be such a game-changer - violence is violence, dead is dead. Wouldn't numbers of civilians dead be a better metric to make offensive-action type decisions on?


I suppose, were one inclined, one might make the case that chemical weapons in the area could pose a more potent threat to US interests [Israel] than any small arms/artillery killing might. Not the kind of power that one would like a destabilized government to possess, and not something that one would like to see suddenly go "unaccounted for" in any aftermath.

I don't really feel inclined, though. I'm eating a corn muffin.
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#9 May 01 2013 at 9:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Anyways, should we exert more military influence on the events unfolding in Syria?

Not really. It's Assad vs. Al Qaeda; once one of them wins they'll turn their attention back to us/Israel. Best to let them bomb each other for a change.

Elinda wrote:
Have we learned enough, or anything, from the recent mid-east wars we've been in and are still entangled in?

15 years ago I wouldn't have been able to say Al Qaeda. Smiley: cool
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It's Assad vs. Al Qaeda;
So we should go back into Iraq?
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#11 May 01 2013 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's Assad vs. Al Qaeda;
So we should go back into Iraq to the past?
No! Marty! We've already agreed that having information about the future can be extremely dangerous. Even if your intentions are good, it can backfire drastically!
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#13 May 01 2013 at 9:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's Assad vs. Al Qaeda;
So we should go back into Iraq?
I'm still trying to get my head around the irony of having a Democratic administration start a war over WMDs. Granted they actually seem to be using them in this case.
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"It'd be different if opposite party was in charge" is one of the funniest arguments I've ever heard.
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(1) There's already a war in Syria. We'd just be (more obviously) choosing sides
(2) The chance of us sending "boots on the ground" is about half of nil.
(3) The most I could imagine us doing would be air support like the early days of Libya; striking military targets and setting up a No-Fly Zone. I'm skeptical we'll do that much but can't imagine us going beyond it.
(4) I don't think there's much optimism that the Syrian opposition movement will become best friends with the US, hence the lack of enthusiasm to even arm them overtly.
(5) I'm a bit put off by McCain & Co saying "Yippee, now we can go to war" over the preliminary results for chemical weapons. Without knowing exactly who used them, what they were and related things they'd have us jump in over it. Granted, they wanted us to jump in anyway so I suppose any pretext is a good one but I agree that basing it over barely investigated WMDs would be especially ironic.

Edited, May 1st 2013 10:38am by Jophiel
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someproteinguy wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Anyways, should we exert more military influence on the events unfolding in Syria?

Not really. It's Assad vs. Al Qaeda; once one of them wins they'll turn their attention back to us/Israel. Best to let them bomb each other for a change.

Or we could take them both out in one fell swoop with our own bomb?
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We can just bomb the survivors; more cost effective that way.
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#18 May 01 2013 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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Anyways, should we exert more military influence on the events unfolding in Syria?

Not really. It's Assad vs. Al Qaeda; once one of them wins they'll turn their attention back to us/Israel. Best to let them bomb each other for a change.

Or we could take them both out in one fell swoop with our own bomb?

Thus falling into the obvious trap. It's page **** one of AQS2020.
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Debalic wrote:
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Elinda wrote:
Anyways, should we exert more military influence on the events unfolding in Syria?

Not really. It's Assad vs. Al Qaeda; once one of them wins they'll turn their attention back to us/Israel. Best to let them bomb each other for a change.

Or we could take them both out in one fell swoop with our own bomb?

Thus falling into the obvious trap. It's page @#%^ing one of AQS2020.

Obvious joke is obvious. It's a take on the old "nuke the entire Middle East" shtick.
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#20 May 02 2013 at 2:43 AM Rating: Good
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Have I got suck in a timewarp? Hasn't the US government been arming the rebels for ages?
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Since we supply ~30% of the market, that's usually true even if it's not our policy.
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#22 May 02 2013 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
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Have I got suck in a timewarp? Hasn't the US government been arming the rebels for ages?
We are the arms of the world. Gimme a big hug.
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You can't hug children with nuclear arms, but either way they'll still feel warm afterwards.
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You can't hug children with nuclear arms, but either way they'll still feel warm afterwards.


And you'll still get to see their glowing faces smiles.
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Have I got suck in a timewarp? Hasn't the US government been arming the rebels for ages?

Not overtly. We've almost certainly been providing some sort of aid and assistance through Turkey. We've also (I believe) been providing non-military aid.

The rebels want antitank and antiaircraft weapons and I don't think we're in any hurry to provide them. If it came down to it, I think we'd rather blow up Syrian tanks ourselves than give the rebels a bunch of antitank weapons.

Edited, May 2nd 2013 8:21am by Jophiel
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Congress just spent an extra, what, $430m on tanks that I'm sure we can give them. We sure as **** didn't want them.
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I could find a use for a tank. They run on diesel?
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Abrams is a multifuel type, so yeah technically diesel would run it. It uses about ... one and a half? One and a half gallons per mile, but can store 500 gallons.
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Abrams is a multifuel type, so yeah technically diesel would run it. It uses about ... one and a half? One and a half gallons per mile, but can store 500 gallons.


Will it tow a horse trailer?
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Abrams is a multifuel type, so yeah technically diesel would run it. It uses about ... one and a half? One and a half gallons per mile, but can store 500 gallons.


Will it tow a horse trailer?

Smiley: lol

Consider ~$1800.00 to fill the tank.

Edited, May 2nd 2013 4:04pm by Elinda
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It most certainly can, and traffic is no issue.
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Abrams is a multifuel type, so yeah technically diesel would run it. It uses about ... one and a half? One and a half gallons per mile, but can store 500 gallons.


Will it tow a horse trailer?

Smiley: lol

Consider ~$1800.00 to fill the tank.

Edited, May 2nd 2013 4:04pm by Elinda
But traffic jams will never be a problem again!

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Abrams is a multifuel type, so yeah technically diesel would run it. It uses about ... one and a half? One and a half gallons per mile, but can store 500 gallons.


Will it tow a horse trailer?

Smiley: lol

Consider ~$1800.00 to fill the tank.


Mmm, true. The savings are tempting....

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Elinda wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
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Abrams is a multifuel type, so yeah technically diesel would run it. It uses about ... one and a half? One and a half gallons per mile, but can store 500 gallons.


Will it tow a horse trailer?

Smiley: lol

Consider ~$1800.00 to fill the tank.


Mmm, true. The savings are tempting....

Edited, May 2nd 2013 10:07am by Eske


Cut and seal the barrel, register it as construction equipment, document all driving as work expenses for tax deductions, and you're good to go.
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Cut and seal the barrel,
Why not just buy a Lamborghini Diablo and replace the engine with bike pedals?
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Cut and seal the barrel,
Why not just buy a Lamborghini Diablo and replace the engine with bike pedals?


Because driving with a fully intact Lamborghini isn't going to have every cop and news chopper in the state following you down the road?
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I'm willing to bet the cops and news choppers would be less likely to follow you with the 120 mm smoothbore gun intact than without.
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Have I got suck in a timewarp? Hasn't the US government been arming the rebels for ages?

Not overtly. We've almost certainly been providing some sort of aid and assistance through Turkey. We've also (I believe) been providing non-military aid.

The rebels want antitank and antiaircraft weapons and I don't think we're in any hurry to provide them. If it came down to it, I think we'd rather blow up Syrian tanks ourselves than give the rebels a bunch of antitank weapons.

Edited, May 2nd 2013 8:21am by Jophiel


False, we've been doing arms transfers of AT&AA resources for some time now.
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Pfft, we would *never* covertly arm a nation/regime that we would end up opposing a generation later...we're too clever for that!
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Oh, I'm sure we've sent arms. I'm skeptical that we've sent AA/AT arms but I'd be happy to look at a source. Just 'cause I'm skeptical doesn't mean I'm not wrong.
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Glad Obama kept his cool, turns out the Rebels (our militants!)used the Chem weapons, and almost on queue with the information being compiled Israel has launched airstrikes into Syria.

Also golf clap for Iran, Russia, and China who all said that they didn't believe the information being sourced regarding Assad use of Chem weapons.

Perhaps we are on the wrong side? It really seems like Israel wants us to get dragged into a war. If Iran takes the bait...do we go or let Israel sleep in its own bed?

Edited, May 6th 2013 11:14am by rdmcandie
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It really seems like Israel wants us to get dragged into a war.
Yeah, us.
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Yeah, us.
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Yeah, us.


Oh I'm sorry...

Israel wants to get the US dragged into a war, along with its Allies in NATO.

Or us for short.


Another update!

As of me writing that post up top the UN is now backing out of its statement from yesterday. Stating the evidence is now inconclusive. However they also state they have found no evidence as of yet pointing to any government involvement,
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Or us for short.
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Or us for short.
Your inconsistent nature is ever so adorable.


What do you mean? I always refer to us in the West collectively.


Or are you implying that because I spent the other day ragging on your countries decline into the third world that somehow causes me to refute the fact that we are long standing allies with generally aligned goals and ideals, and that our foreign policies while individual depend greatly on what the others in our group determine to be the best route forward.

I am genuinely interested into what inconsistency you refer to?


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