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#1 Apr 29 2013 at 6:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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This news article is about the middle school Xavier will be going to starting this July. The school is a STEM school (focusing on Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math) and they have just started this week a trial of using tablets in school:

http://www.carynews.com/2013/04/27/73554/prototype-tablets-debut-at-east.html

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Almost 300 students at the school are taking their tablets home and carrying them from class to class for months, using the mobile devices to research papers, read virtual textbooks and more.

Unlike iPads, the 10-inch Amplify runs a modified Android operating system that is specially designed for educational uses. The “baked-in” educational tools could lighten backpacks by replacing bulky textbooks with digital tomes and learning apps.

Students can file homework wirelessly by a 4G cellular connection, while teachers can share new material and check students’ work instantaneously.

Teachers also get a range of crowd-control powers. One tap of the “Eyes on Teacher” button locks down the students’ glossy screens, directing them to the front of the class. The “short answer” function has students respond wirelessly to questions, while a “spot check” has them rate their understanding of the topic at hand.

And, most fearsome to some, the computer system can randomly select a student to answer a question.


As a gadget geek myself, I think this is pure awesome. I love the fact that the kids will be using up to date technology to learn. I love how the teachers have the ability to turn them off when they need full attention. I love the fact that the kids don't have to carry 25 pounds of books in their backpacks. On a personal mom level, I love this for Xavier, as he has an IEP to allow him to do work like essays on the computer anyways, so having a tablet he can take notes on and keep track of all of his school work in one spot is just perfect.
Then again, as a mom I am freaking out wondering if 11 yr olds have enough maturity to be responsible for something so expensive. I'm already dreaming up dire consequences to put my son through if anything happens to his tablet.

But on a general note, what do you guys think about the idea of using tablets as a tool for students to use instead of text books, notebooks, and folders? Do you think this is a leap ahead or is there something kids get out of that might be missing from using a text book passed down over the years? do you think over the next few years all schools should have this?
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I think that's awesome but like you, I'd be freaking out. I *know* Noah would have his broken within the first 15 minutes.
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Local schools have been doing this for the better part of the year here. And a few of the churches expanded the practice to their sunday schools. A friend of mine has two daughters, one in 1st or 2nd grade, and she uses an iPad as part of her curriculum.

I guess a 200 dollar tablet is a lot cheaper than a dozen different text books that will be obsolete next year.
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If you are using it as a substitute text book, note book, etc., how do you keep it charged for a full school day?

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If you are using it as a substitute text book, note book, etc., how do you keep it charged for a full school day?



How long do you think a "full school day" is? I think 8 hour battery life is not all that hard or rare to achieve, and that's assuming you'd have to use it the full 8 hours. But I don't remember ever using my text books for the entire time I was in school.
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But on a general note, what do you guys think about the idea of using tablets as a tool for students to use instead of text books, notebooks, and folders? Do you think this is a leap ahead or is there something kids get out of that might be missing from using a text book passed down over the years? do you think over the next few years all schools should have this?

It's a trinket offering menial task benefits.Teachers will often ask questions during their lesson to gauge how well students are learning that particular topic. Now instead of asking one student and estimating based on him or her, a teacher may ask every student and receive an aggregate answer. Improvement? sure. Revolutionary? No. Can't say I'd ever want to hand-write a paper again, but Microsoft Word didn't fundamentally change me as a writer either.

I tutor as an odd job. Nothing here is especially new. All of my students have access to online textbooks. Those in high school level and below typically have a hardcover as well. The online textbook is mostly a backup for when they forget to bring a book home with them and also a resource for me. Some schools also have a low tech solution to the baggage issue by purchasing textbooks produced in subsections, giving their students 1 book per each quarter of a class rather than 1 book per the year.
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Big news in ME, the contract for school laptops switched from Apple to HP. (One more mess to clean up after...Smiley: mad)

I think gadgets, and gadget teaching in school is inevitable and necessary. Why teach with tools that are obsolete from the real world?
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trickybeck wrote:

If you are using it as a substitute text book, note book, etc., how do you keep it charged for a full school day?



How long do you think a "full school day" is? I think 8 hour battery life is not all that hard or rare to achieve, and that's assuming you'd have to use it the full 8 hours. But I don't remember ever using my text books for the entire time I was in school.


True, but what if a kid forgets to charge it over night and it dies on them during school?
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True, but what if a kid forgets to charge it over night and it dies on them during school?
This happened to me a few times with my gameboy. I just charged it in class, no big deal.
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True, but what if a kid forgets to charge it over night and it dies on them during school?
This happened to me a few times with my gameboy. I just charged it in class, no big deal.


You had electricity at your school?? We just had chalk boards and ink wells. Smiley: frown

Yeah, I guess there would be places to charge during class, eh... Smiley: banghead
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trickybeck wrote:
If you are using it as a substitute text book, note book, etc., how do you keep it charged for a full school day?
It's a STEM school, I imagine they'd be equipped with a charging dock or two.
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Think of it this way - it could also make lockers obsolete. I know the primary purpose of my locker was textbook storage, because by the time you hit AP classes each book weighed five pounds and with six of them, you were lugging around thirty pounds of books. I'd keep half of them in the locker and then swap em out at lunch, then at the end of the day only take home the books for which I had homework or assigned reading.

A tablet in place of those would have been very welcome, and it would reduce my locker to essentially a storage space for gym clothes.
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Without a twenty-pound stack of books to haul around, these kids are going to be horribly out of shape! Smiley: eek
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Without a twenty-pound stack of books to haul around, these kids are going to be horribly out of shape! Smiley: eek
On the other hand, they might actually bring their books to class, instead of leaving them in their lockers from the time they get them until the time they return them.
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All good points, and the addition of technology has a cool factor that might get kids at least temporarily more excited about class.

And then I remember this scene and I get all conflicted:

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Useful for children who would otherwise lack exposure to technology. A useless vanity play for middle class or upper middle class kids that gains them nothing but seeks to market a preference to them at a time when their brains are still developing and easily influenced. I'd find a new school, and that's in no way a joke. This is better for teachers, and possibly better for aggregate test scores as you replace Socratic dialogue with data analytics and "targeted" lesson plans based on templates. It's worse for talented students (it may be better for marginal students) and replaces what should at it's best be a mentor/protege relationship with a manager/employee one. The novelty will be appealing to your kids for a few weeks, but the tyranny of mechanical reinforcement of ideas in place of critical thinking and discussion will harm them for life. It's not the technology itself, mind you. If you want to give children Kindles instead of books, I'm all for that. That is IN NO WAY what this is, however.

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All good points, and the addition of technology has a cool factor that might get kids at least temporarily more excited about class.
A week, maybe. Then it's just a lighter load to carry.
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The technology is necessary and practical. It should replace paper - books, written papers and other homeworks, etc. Why would we keep using books that need to be reprinted every other year for updates?

My kids in HS were already submitting all their homework electronically. They each had a folder on the school server. That was nearly a decade ago.

Perhaps there needs to be policy/procedure to insure it doesn't decrease and/or minimize face time with educators and other students. Tablets shouldn't replace teachers or classroom time.

Our current administration is promoting internet-based education, or at least it's attempting to be able to fund kids attending virtual charter schools. That scares me.
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Why would we keep using books that need to be reprinted every other year for updates?

Yeah, need.

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Are you implying basic mathematics doesn't change every few years?
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If congress is to be believed, yes.
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Turn turn turn.....etc.

If things aren't changing they're either in temporary hibernation or dying.
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So what does that mean if you won't change your mind?
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So what does that mean if you won't change your mind?

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Back in day schools didn't have computers. Kids these days; youtubing isn't education. Smiley: motz

We just got our first tablet a couple of months ago, and I've been impressed with the variety of educational apps they have available. All in all I can get behind it. Anything to cram some more useful information in those little heads.

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Not now that they've done away with books, just google google google...


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Back in day schools didn't have computers. Kids these days; youtubing isn't education. Smiley: motz

We just got our first tablet a couple of months ago, and I've been impressed with the variety of educational apps they have available. All in all I can get behind it. Anything to cram some more useful information in those little heads.

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Not now that they've done away with books, just google google google...


I was psyched when Math Blasters game came out.
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Without a twenty-pound stack of books to haul around, these kids are going to be horribly out of shape! Smiley: eek

Actually, in this school, they have PE every day. And I used to think gym once a week sucked...
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Actually, in this school, they have PE every day. And I used to think gym once a week sucked...

Let me preface this by saying I know nothing at all about your son's (sons'?) school.

That said, it sounds like a nightmarishly bad mishmash of failed charter school ideas that can still apparently be sold in some places in the country. Let's see what other public education turds would I throw into the "look, it's different!" pie if I wanted to lure parents? Let's see...I'd say full time one subject scheduling, but where you stated there is PE every day it can't be that. It must be the other idiot education solution of the moment, longer school days. Do I win?
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Year round schooling with a 3.5 day break every 16.75 days and six consecutive days off each four and a half months.

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The day care providers would schedule around that, locally anyway. The invisible hand would beat them up and take their money if they didn't.
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Year round schooling with a 3.5 day break every 16.75 days and six consecutive days off each four and a half months.

Have fun with your day care provider.


Or your teacher's union. Well, hopefully that works out...I guess. On the other hand it's middle school, so it probably doesn't matter much. Many studies indicate children would be better off if you removed the whole conceit of "education" for the years between 12 and 14 and just let them awkwardly grope each other and listen to terrible music. (not a joke, students learn almost nothing in that developmental time-frame)
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Many studies indicate children would be better off if you removed the whole conceit of "education" for the years between 12 and 14 and just let them awkwardly grope each other and listen to terrible music.
Is that really any different than now?
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Actually, in this school, they have PE every day. And I used to think gym once a week sucked...

Let me preface this by saying I know nothing at all about your son's (sons'?) school.

That said, it sounds like a nightmarishly bad mishmash of failed charter school ideas that can still apparently be sold in some places in the country. Let's see what other public education turds would I throw into the "look, it's different!" pie if I wanted to lure parents? Let's see...I'd say full time one subject scheduling, but where you stated there is PE every day it can't be that. It must be the other idiot education solution of the moment, longer school days. Do I win?


nope Smiley: grin
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My high school was the opposite of one subject at a time - we had fourteen 25 minute periods during the day, with a 5 minute buffer in between. Academic subjects were usually two periods long (with the five minutes rolled in to make 55 minutes), with the exception of smaller electives. Low level arts classes were usually one period long each semester - aerobic dance, Art I, bell choir, etc. High level arts were one hours (concert choir, Ballet VI, Studio Art II.) This allowed for the younger students to get more exposure to the arts classes before settling on one skill area. (Everyone had to go through at least one of each of the level one classes at some point - a dance, a music, a visual arts, a writing, and a drama/theater.) Lunch was a 30 minute period in place of one of the electives, but was voluntary due to space constraints and most kids opted to just eat a sandwich in history class instead.

I feel sorry for the staff who had to schedule all that junk.

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25 minute periods sounds like a drama for the teachers too, props if you can teach kids anything in that timeframe.
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Chapter orders aren't about to rearrange themselves, you know.
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That said, it sounds like a nightmarishly bad mishmash of failed charter school ideas that can still apparently be sold in some places in the country. Let's see what other public education turds would I throw into the "look, it's different!" pie if I wanted to lure parents? Let's see...I'd say full time one subject scheduling, but where you stated there is PE every day it can't be that. It must be the other idiot education solution of the moment, longer school days. Do I win?


Sounds like someone's cheerios got ****** in. I'm curious what you think would be an ideal education system then. Or are you just being contrary? (like I need to ask)
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That said, it sounds like a nightmarishly bad mishmash of failed charter school ideas that can still apparently be sold in some places in the country. Let's see what other public education turds would I throw into the "look, it's different!" pie if I wanted to lure parents? Let's see...I'd say full time one subject scheduling, but where you stated there is PE every day it can't be that. It must be the other idiot education solution of the moment, longer school days. Do I win?


Sounds like someone's cheerios got ****** in. I'm curious what you think would be an ideal education system then. Or are you just being contrary? (like I need to ask)

I'm guessing baby teething.
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That said, it sounds like a nightmarishly bad mishmash of failed charter school ideas that can still apparently be sold in some places in the country. Let's see what other public education turds would I throw into the "look, it's different!" pie if I wanted to lure parents? Let's see...I'd say full time one subject scheduling, but where you stated there is PE every day it can't be that. It must be the other idiot education solution of the moment, longer school days. Do I win?


Sounds like someone's cheerios got ****** in. I'm curious what you think would be an ideal education system then. Or are you just being contrary? (like I need to ask)

I'm guessing baby teething.

You'd have thought by now Smash would have all his teeth.
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I see you were never taught the basic concepts of irony in school...
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That said, it sounds like a nightmarishly bad mishmash of failed charter school ideas that can still apparently be sold in some places in the country.


The education secretary's office, for example.

Same in Britain. Lets 'em feel like real revolutionaries.
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I'm curious what you think would be an ideal education system then.

Ideal? Who cares? Large teams of master instructors tutoring one pupil, probably? If you mean "not ******," then a focus on developing critical thinking skills placed much more highly than it is currently. I realize this would destroy your political party as critical thinking is a big problem for you guys, but it's still the most valuable skill student's learn. I don't really care if a 9 year old doesn't know who the President is, I do care if they don't know how to find out.
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Ideal? Who cares? Large teams of master instructors tutoring one pupil, probably? If you mean "not sh*tty," then a focus on developing critical thinking skills placed much more highly than it is currently. I realize this would destroy your political party as critical thinking is a big problem for you guys, but it's still the most valuable skill student's learn. I don't really care if a 9 year old doesn't know who the President is, I do care if they don't know how to find out.

****, my son is five and can Google. Might as well not bother sending him to school, eh?
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