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#202 Apr 18 2013 at 6:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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With any big race, never mind the Boston Marathon, there's a huge crowd at the finish line by the time most of the runners have crossed it. Families, runners who finished and want to sign up to get a still shot of themselves crossing the line, press, general spectators. Security is there, but relaxed compared to the start of the race or the elites finishing. It's a smart time to slip through and drop a couple of duffel bags.

You know, if that's the sort of thing that gets you off.
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And yet, it's usually pretty easy to look at someone's backpack and tell if it's full of books or say his laundry. Similarly, it's pretty easy to look at a backpack with a damn pressure cooker and think "He's got a large metal cylindrical object in that pack. That's odd".


No. Where's my abacus. Let's see...subject 19283 you know nothing about but assume your guess is probably correct. I think you were right once in '03, so batting .00000001.
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You know, if that's the sort of thing that gets you off.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the runners themselves.
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You know, if that's the sort of thing that gets you off.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the runners themselves.


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Obviously, someone did plant these things. I'm just curious how. Was he signed up to work the event or something? Pretending to be carrying supplies so no one thought to check? I mean, nothing screams "bomb" like a duffle bag with a large pot shaped object in it, right?

I would think if you were going to carry a bomb in a duffle bag you'd get one heavy duty enough not to show an obvious pot-shaped bulge.
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What you want to do is get a duffel bag that's bomb-proof. That way if someone else sets off a bomb, your bomb won't get damaged.
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You know, if that's the sort of thing that gets you off.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the runners themselves.
"Once, when I ran really hard, I experienced a runners high. NOW EVERYONE WILL FEEL WHAT I FELT."
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It's my white privilege to own and use a pressure cooker.

Really we whites tend to forget that we don't have to worry about looking suspicious, after a major crime or terrorism act happens.
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http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston

White hat and black hat, it's like Spy vs Spy. You can stop suspecting people walking on roofs and every black or brown guy, now redditors. As an old colleague of mine said yesterday "Remember that time amateurs did better analysis than professionals? I don't either."
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#211 Apr 18 2013 at 4:20 PM Rating: Good
The first one could be brown, the second looks like a bro.

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White hat and black hat, it's like Spy vs Spy. You can stop suspecting people walking on roofs and every black or brown guy, now redditors. As an old colleague of mine said yesterday "Remember that time amateurs did better analysis than professionals? I don't either."

We can shrink Big Government by crowd sourcing our terrorism investigations and closing the FBI.
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It's my white privilege to own and use a pressure cooker.

Really we whites tend to forget that we don't have to worry about looking suspicious, after a major crime or terrorism act happens.


Oklahoma City Bombing = Done by a white guy(s).
Unibomber = White guy.
Atlanta Olympic Bombing = White guy.
Person responsible for Boston = Probably a white guy.

See how the random pattern goes?

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Completely obvious to anyone that they have pressure cookers in those bags...I can't believe that someone didn't stop them to ask what they were up to.....
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Limbaugh was absolutely joyous the other day when King on CNN said "dark skinned male". You could hear him practically bouncing around in his seat from glee. Poor guy is going to be crushed.
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I'd rather not engage in race-guessing that's both pointless and premature. The videos don't even show them putting down the backpacks (although of course we don't know how much additional evidence the FBI has). But neither of those guys is lily-white, either. They are easily dark enough to be Middle-Eastern, if that was something a pundit chose to claim.

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I still want to know what a freeper is...
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Apparently this:
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I'd rather not engage in race-guessing that's both pointless and premature. The videos don't even show them putting down the backpacks (although of course we don't know how much additional evidence the FBI has). But neither of those guys is lily-white, either. They are easily dark enough to be Middle-Eastern, if that was something a pundit chose to claim.



Too pinkish, if you ask me. Look at the ears - melanin tends to pile up there in folks with any kind of pigmentation. They're pink. That's a fat twenty something white guy in shades.
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I'd rather not engage in race-guessing that's both pointless and premature.

Well, waiting until we have all the info takes the sport out of race-guessing.

Speaking of, the ricin guy is some white dude from Mississippi who sent poison to a Republican Senator and the sitting Democratic president. He has a photo of himself giving a thumbs-up next to a bumper sticker on a Lexus saying "I'm Christian and a Democrat".

It's not too early to pigeon-hole him, right?
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Well, if he's not sucking Obama's dick he's obviously a DINO...
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He was also once hired by Senator Wicker (R-MS), the guy he sent a ricin letter to, as an Elvis impersonator for a party.
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Obviously, someone did plant these things. I'm just curious how. Was he signed up to work the event or something? Pretending to be carrying supplies so no one thought to check? I mean, nothing screams "bomb" like a duffle bag with a large pot shaped object in it, right?

I would think if you were going to carry a bomb in a duffle bag you'd get one heavy duty enough not to show an obvious pot-shaped bulge.


At least you're the first person to acknowledge that you can see a "pot shaped bulge" from outside the damn bag. It's like pulling teeth around here to get anyone to admit even the slightest and simplest things.

Obviously you can get a heavy duty bag, but you're still carrying around a large heavy solid object inside a bag. Being flexible sided is somewhat part of the definition of "bag", and I'm not sure how you get around that. Anything that would be defined as a bag with a pressure cooker bomb inside it is going to look like a bag with a pressure cooker sized/shaped object inside it. I mean, it's like people can't grasp that the outside shape of a bag tends to conform to whatever is inside it. Doubly so if the object inside is large and solid (as a pot tend to be).


Seriously. Go find every bag you own. Then get a 6 qt pot and put it inside each one, one at a time. Then carry it and look in a mirror. It'll be pretty obvious you're carrying around a pot shaped object in whatever bag you've got it in. If it's solid sided/bottomed enough to not conform to the shape of the pot, then I'm not sure it still qualifies as a "bag" anymore. The description was "duffle bag", not "giant bowling ball bag" or something I'd expect to be more solid. Honestly, a duffle bag with a pot in it will look exactly like a duffle bag with a pot in it. And no Smash. You don't need xray vision to noodle that out.

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It's fascinating that you're so hung up on this and straining so hard to make it work. I can't even begin to guess what your motivation is.

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Seriously. Go find every bag you own. Then get a 6 qt pot and put it inside each one, one at a time. Then carry it and look in a mirror. It'll be pretty obvious you're carrying around a pot shaped object in whatever bag you've got it in.
I actually packed a bag this morning because I knew you would ask this. You're predictable.
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What's in my bag, gbaji? What's in it? Also, 6qt Pressure Cookers weigh like 8lbs.
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Straightman contrarian, boredom.

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What's in my bag, gbaji? What's in it?

I'm going to guess "dead hooker".
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Completely obvious to anyone that they have pressure cookers in those bags...I can't believe that someone didn't stop them to ask what they were up to.....


Thought the bombs were believed to be in duffle bags, not backpacks. And no, that pack doesn't look large enough to hold a 6 qt pressure cooker in it. It's only about maybe 6-8" out from his back (or he's like 10 feet tall making that pack much larger than normal). It also slopes wrong. It's too tapered at the top. You're putting a 1 ft diameter object inside a pack and wearing it on your back. It's going to make the pack stick out at least a foot, and it's going to bulge quite a bit in all directions. It's not a sphere, it's a cylinder. They've either got the wrong guy, or that's him after setting down the bag that had the bomb in it.
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Seriously. Go find every bag you own. Then get a 6 qt pot and put it inside each one, one at a time. Then carry it and look in a mirror. It'll be pretty obvious you're carrying around a pot shaped object in whatever bag you've got it in.
I actually packed a bag this morning because I knew you would ask this. You're predictable.
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What's in my bag, gbaji? What's in it?


Carry it around, and I'll be able to tell you if there's a pressure cooker in it.

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Also, 6qt Pressure Cookers weigh like 8lbs.


Not after you fill them with a remote detonator, explosives, and shrapnel. Is there like a holiday on critical thinking around here?
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And no Smash. You don't need xray vision to noodle that out.

Can you demonstrate your theory using the actual photos of the backpacks in question that have been released by the FBI? No? HOLY SHIT, THEY HAVE THE WRONG GUYS!!!!

Nothing else makes any sense, does it, fucknut? Please stick with the very limited arena where you're a subject matter novice with a manual and a help line number.
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Carry it around, and I'll be able to tell you if there's a pressure cooker in it.
So you're changing your argument, like usual. That's okay. Your inability to tell screams volumes how you know you're wrong. That's win enough for me. Not so "IT WAS OBVIOUS" anymore, is it?
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Not after you fill them with a remote detonator, explosives, and shrapnel.
Which adds another three to five pounds. I know you don't know what you're talking about, but it really doesn't weigh that much. Well, not weigh much to someone that's remotely in shape. I'm sure the remote is heavy for you, fatty.
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That would explain why you seem to be on the Jewish holiday version of it. Smiley: smile

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Yeah, how they got the bomb in there is certainly a question. I mean first though you go, standard gym bag, 40lb (totally just making that up) of explosives, cooker, nails, etc. It could certainly be obvious if done sloppily, in which case you'd wonder how the heck it happened. I could still imagine a bag that would make it at least not obvious to the average layman (of course I don't actually have a bag to check it with), at least not without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. How it all went down is what they're working on, and it'll be interesting to see if we sitting here in a couple of months thinking "hmm that was a pretty clever way to disguise a bomb," or "wow, I really am surprised he managed to do that without someone noticing something."

I dunno, I'm still not surprised they were able to pull it off though.

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it'll be interesting to see if we sitting here in a couple of months thinking "hmm that was a pretty cleaver way to disguise a bomb," or "wow, I really am surprised he managed to do that without someone noticing something."

No, because anyone who isn't a moron understands how idiotic it is to think it would be noticeable to carry a small bomb in a backpack. I carry larger and heavier things in mine, daily. Along with pretty much everyone who has a child and backpack instead of a diaper bag.
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40lb (totally just making that up) of explosives, cooker, nails, etc.
Where are you people getting these figures? A little more than a pound of C4 can take out a truck, and C4 isn't exactly difficult to make at home. Smiley: dubious
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No, because anyone who isn't a moron understands how idiotic it is to think it would be noticeable to carry a small bomb in a backpack. I carry larger and heavier things in mine, daily. Along with pretty much everyone who has a child and backpack instead of a diaper bag.
Part of me can't imagine them doing this without a test run. You know, at least put the thing in a bag and make sure it can't be seen. Common sense kind of stuff if you're going to try to sneak it in there.
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40lb (totally just making that up) of explosives, cooker, nails, etc.
Where are you people getting these figures? A little more than a pound of C4 can take out a truck, and C4 isn't exactly difficult to make at home. Smiley: dubious

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I have absolutely no idea how much it weighed, just threw out a number. Nails are heavy. I have no idea how much 6 quarts of nails weighs. Methinks it'd have to be close to something like that much to be visible outside the bag though. I mean much lighter and there's just no way it's going to sag or distort a decent quality bag enough.

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You're looking at 15~20lbs. Most high schoolers carry more in their backpacks, and we're talking about professional runners with their after run bags. It's pretty much text book suicide vest. It's bizarre to me that people think a giant water heater was hidden in a fanny pack. Well, spg it's bizarre. gbaji is par for the course.
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So each device weighted 20 lbs, like I guessed without any detail at all? I'd say that's pretty damn impressive on my part.
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I was going to say either you were better with the google, or military guy knows his explosives... Smiley: lol

Also, just for fun some pictures.

Edited, Apr 18th 2013 8:36pm by someproteinguy
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We have a guy who transferred over from Explosive Ordinance Disposal, and I talk to him a lot. Cool guy, but you can tell the job messed him up pretty bad. Decent shot, but his hands shake when he's not focused completely, stutters pretty badly and flighty. Learned a lot from him. Including how to make my own C4. Smiley: um

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So each device weighted 20 lbs, like I guessed without any detail at all? I'd say that's pretty damn impressive on my part.

Just like Enrico Fermi.

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Some interesting photos of loadsa people with back packs at the Boston marathon....

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6ea_1366233893

http://www.prisonplanet.com/boston-bombing-culprits-identified.html

Either there's a lot of vegetarians attending or something very fishy was going on......
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I like how they automatically jump to "they're Navy SEALs". They completely ignore the fact that it's also the emblem for the Punisher, which means it could be some regular guy who bought a hat online..
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Well, apparently they are now in a shootout with police? Watching the news this morning on NBC.

Said they are a pair of young brothers (18-20). The one in the white hat is still loose, the other was shot during some altercations during a robbery, reports saying with bombs on his person.

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Reporting them as Chechen descent.

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Chechens! Well, that's... festive. Not only white, but Caucasian white. This should turn a few race-baiters' heads spinning.

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Chechnya's close enough to Iraq. They are just Islam-corrupted.

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hechens! Well, that's... festive. Not only white, but Caucasian white.

Being Muslim darkens your skin at least 40%. Little known fact, Obama is actually not from Kenya, but from Iceland, the Muslim thing just darkened him up.

ETA: No idea if they're Muslim, but if they're actually Chechen, which really given how terrible the media is at this is no sure thing, its fairly likely they would be.

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Maybe I should convert, then. Never could get a decent tan.
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A guy on Reddit is doing live updates of the whole thing.
Edit: also, a picture of one of the suspects.
Edit 2: To be precise, the picture is of the suspect that is still alive.

Edited, Apr 19th 2013 2:39pm by Aethien
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#251 Apr 19 2013 at 6:14 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
gbaji wrote:

Obviously, someone did plant these things. I'm just curious how. Was he signed up to work the event or something? Pretending to be carrying supplies so no one thought to check? I mean, nothing screams "bomb" like a duffle bag with a large pot shaped object in it, right?

I would think if you were going to carry a bomb in a duffle bag you'd get one heavy duty enough not to show an obvious pot-shaped bulge.


At least you're the first person to acknowledge that you can see a "pot shaped bulge" from outside the damn bag. It's like pulling teeth around here to get anyone to admit even the slightest and simplest things.

No one is admitting simple things because they don't agree with you. It's not a matter of denial. I didn't look at those pictures and see a back-pack with a bulge that was obviously due to some large round metal object.

I could be books, it could be clothing, it could be a laptop + a bike helmet+a wad of dirty underwear+a bag of tacos.

Or maybe everyone is just stubbornly disagreeing with you because we're all brain-washed liberals. Smiley: rolleyes
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