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#1 Apr 08 2013 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
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So Margaret Thatcher died today.




Margaret Thatcher, Britain’s first and only woman Prime Minister, died this morning after suffering a stroke, it was announced today.

Baroness Thatcher, who was 87, won three general elections for the Conservatives and shaped UK politics for a generation. At home, she implemented sweeping reforms to trade unions, defeated the miners in a bitter strike and forced the Labour Party to modernise itself. Abroad, she was dubbed “the Iron Lady”, winning an unlikely war in the Falklands and helping to secure the collapse of the Soviet Union.


Mixed emotions from people I know. Mostly people celebrating, but a smattering of indignant postings expressing outrage that people would celebrate the death of a "sick old woman".




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#2 Apr 08 2013 at 7:05 AM Rating: Good
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There sure is a lot of hate for her, although I don't really see what her death really does for anything, good or bad.
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Did she at least save us from a meteor?
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As a politician I thought she was ruinous on her nation. However, I personally was glad that such a woman became the UK's first female Prime Minister. She proved that female leaders could be as mediocre in policy and as charismatic in carriage as any man. Basically she was no different than any man as a politician, and that was extremely liberating for women. She was no better and no worse than the average man, since I credit her with belief in what she was doing, and being no more and no less a figurehead as any other political leader.
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#5 Apr 08 2013 at 7:41 AM Rating: Good
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I can't say I agree with political ideologies, but she forged out a new leadership pathway that wasn't there before her reign. And she wasn't totally evil or anything.

....rip Iron Lady.
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My first thought was "Thatcher was still alive? Huh."
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My first thought was "Thatcher was still alive? Huh."


Huh, you too then?
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Zieveraar wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
My first thought was "Thatcher was still alive? Huh."


Huh, you too then?


Me three as well. Heard the news on NPR while I was headed to urgent care for a sinus infection. I was like, "I thought the documentary that came out with Meryl Streep was done cuz she was dead..."
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#9 Apr 08 2013 at 11:31 AM Rating: Excellent
May she rest in peace, what a wonderful lady. Love her or hate her, she was great and I was shocked to come home from work today and see the news on the BBC.
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Because I can't embed for some reason.

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[i]Edited, Apr 8th 2013 2:19pm by Xsarus
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May she rest in peace, what a wonderful lady. Love her or hate her, she was great and I was shocked to come home from work today and see the news on the BBC.


You were shocked? She was almost 90 years old.
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I think the #! is throwing the embed function off.

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I think the #! is throwing the embed function off.

Edited, Apr 8th 2013 2:40pm by Shaowstrike

Indeed it is. Ill forget this by the time I post again.
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Jophiel wrote:
My first thought was "Thatcher was still alive? Huh."


Huh, you too then?


Me three as well. Heard the news on NPR while I was headed to urgent care for a sinus infection. I was like, "I thought the documentary that came out with Meryl Streep was done cuz she was dead..."


****, I wasn't even aware that Annette was still alive either.
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As a politician I thought she was ruinous on her nation.


I'm curious why you think this. My understanding (admittedly biased based on my own political views) is that it's largely because of her actions then that the UK isn't suffering far far worse economically today when compared to many other European nations. But maybe I'm focusing just on the economic angle.

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However, I personally was glad that such a woman became the UK's first female Prime Minister. She proved that female leaders could be as mediocre in policy and as charismatic in carriage as any man. Basically she was no different than any man as a politician, and that was extremely liberating for women. She was no better and no worse than the average man, since I credit her with belief in what she was doing, and being no more and no less a figurehead as any other political leader.


She was a major political figure of the day for reasons other than her *** IMO. Agree or disagree with her politics, it's hard to reconcile the first part of your post with the latter part. She clearly had a significant impact on the UK, or you'd not have written the first sentence. So hardly "average politician".
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gbaji wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
As a politician I thought she was ruinous on her nation.


I'm curious why you think this. My understanding (admittedly biased based on my own political views) is that it's largely because of her actions then that the UK isn't suffering far far worse economically today when compared to many other European nations. But maybe I'm focusing just on the economic angle.

I think this is exactly why. I've heard her being called an English Ronald Reagan. So if you are somebody who thinks that Reagan was horrible for the economy loltrickledown (which you personally don't) then that could explain the view of her being ruinous to the nation.
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gbaji wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
As a politician I thought she was ruinous on her nation.


I'm curious why you think this. My understanding (admittedly biased based on my own political views) is that it's largely because of her actions then that the UK isn't suffering far far worse economically today when compared to many other European nations. But maybe I'm focusing just on the economic angle.

I think this is exactly why. I've heard her being called an English Ronald Reagan. So if you are somebody who thinks that Reagan was horrible for the economy loltrickledown (which you personally don't) then that could explain the view of her being ruinous to the nation.


It explains why people might speculate and/or fear that said economic policies would be ruinous (future tense) if implemented, but not why someone would say (past tense) that they were ruinous. Was the UK economy (again assuming that the original comments were about economics) actually ruined? I don't recall the UK spiraling into disaster economically speaking during or immediately after she was running things. Which makes one think this kind of comment is less about what the actual effects of any given economic policies *are* and more about eternally trying to convince oneself and others that an opposed policy is to be avoided by sheer repetition of "this is bad"/"this was bad" language even when the facts don't match.


I guess (and I'll fully admit I'm biased here), I find it really strange to hear people say "trickle down cant work", complete with dire predictions of what will happen, then it's tried and it works and none of the dire predictions happen, but for the next 3 decades all we hear is "trickle down didn't work" and "it was a disaster", and (in this case) "it was ruinous". It just smacks of repeating the assumption and hoping people don't notice that it doesn't match reality.

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Was the UK economy (again assuming that the original comments were about economics) actually ruined?


Yes.

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I don't recall the UK spiraling into disaster economically speaking during or immediately after she was running things.


Your memory is **** or you weren't playing attention.
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To gbaji:

I think NO system is empirically able to perfectly address all problems. There are always going to be pros and cons, and thus it becomes a question of finding a system where the desirability of the pros outweigh the cons. Cons which are real cons, but are put up with in order for long term gain. For example, take the normal economic growth and recession cycle. I think it is desirable for governments to run a surplus in growth years, and run a deficit in recession years. There are people/politicians in Australia who think government should never ever run a deficit. During a recession, I think a deficit should be run, focussing on infrastructure, especially on educational, health, transportation and military infrastructure.

Leaving aside the Thatcherite butchering of the unions and gutting of healthcare, she, like Reagen, was madly into de-regulation for de-regulation's sake. I think her de-regulation went way too far, as the banking and economic collapse of 2009, which we are still suffering the outcomes of, would not have been possible in the UK if some prudent regulations remained in place. And yes, of course political actions taken 20 years ago can have massive effects in the present.
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It explains why people might speculate and/or fear that said economic policies would be ruinous (future tense) if implemented, but not why someone would say (past tense) that they were ruinous. Was the UK economy (again assuming that the original comments were about economics) actually ruined?

It wasn't ruined, but the reason it wasn't had a lot to do with the North Sea turning out to be a large ceramic container for some of the largest reserves of light sweet crude in the world, the price of which tripled as she took office. Even hitting the natural resource lottery in a big way didn't prevent 21% inflation and literally the highest unemployment rate in Brittan's modern (the last 500 years say) history. She kept taxes relatively low by privatizing national companies that we unlikely to bring in much income by selling them to her friends. Little anachronisms like BP which pulls in about £1M an hour in profits. That influx of cash was enough to lead to a few years of booming 2% GDP growth. She also pegged the Pound to the Mark letting the technically elegant, but not great for the Bank of England Black Wednesday occur a few years after she had left office. On balance it's almost impossible to argue she was good for Brittan, unless the theatrical quality of a Grandma ********** is very important to you. Obviously she's still popular among a certain set of brits.
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I guess (and I'll fully admit I'm biased here), I find it really strange to hear people say "trickle down cant work", complete with dire predictions of what will happen, then it's tried and it works and none of the dire predictions happen,

It's never worked, not once. Why? Oh right, fucking math. If the math worked and the ideology sucked, I'd support it. I support lots of things that have unfortunate ideological implications. I think "the bailout" math only worked one way, while at the same time finding supporting the failure of an industry controlled by the super wealthy with middle class tax dollars morally repugnant. The math though, matters. The math behind "trickle down" leads to less tax revenue, a hollowed out middle class and movement of wealth to the already wealthy. Which is the point, of course, but the argument that it leads to broad economic growth is thoroughly disproved at any sort of serious intellectual level, leading to comic slogans like "it's never good for the economy to raise taxes" instead of an actual economic argument. Because there isn't one.

The good news, for you, is that the vast majority of people don't understand the math (you know how that is, eh?) so the fact that it's not a viable economic model won't stop policy based on the idea. The good news for me is that the Fed can do the math, so we're on our third round of quantitative easing, likely rescuing us from the crushing depression we'd have experienced if austerity hawks had been able to accomplish anything they claim to believe in.

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I think NO system is empirically able to perfectly address all problems.
Except Republican.
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I think NO system is empirically able to perfectly address all problems.
Except Republican.

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#26gbaji, Posted: Apr 09 2013 at 5:49 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So basically, she's bad because you believe that socialism is good and she opposed it. Kinda circular, isn't it?
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